KGrim
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Post by KGrim on Apr 19, 2020 17:40:04 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 19, 2020 19:53:10 GMT
Is he Jewish? Looks like a rabbi. But obviously he knows nothing about protestants smh. Did he just call the church the mother? She's simply the bride of Christ. That's it.
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KGrim
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Post by KGrim on Apr 19, 2020 20:38:07 GMT
Is he Jewish? Looks like a rabbi. But obviously he knows nothing about protestants smh. Did he just call the church the mother? She's simply the bride of Christ. That's it. He's an Orthodox Christian dressed in monk's attire and I would argue that he knows quite a bit about Protestantism. The Church can be considered the mother of Christians and the bride of Christ. I would go on further to say that to fully understand Protestantism you have to understand Orthodoxy. If you don't understand Orthodoxy then you can't really understand Protestantism even if you are a part of it. Its like how in order to understand a counterfeit you must understand the genuine the counterfeit mimics.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2020 0:11:06 GMT
Is he Jewish? Looks like a rabbi. But obviously he knows nothing about protestants smh. Did he just call the church the mother? She's simply the bride of Christ. That's it. He's an Orthodox Christian dressed in monk's attire and I would argue that he knows quite a bit about Protestantism. The Church can be considered the mother of Christians and the bride of Christ. I would go on further to say that to fully understand Protestantism you have to understand Orthodoxy. If you don't understand Orthodoxy then you can't really understand Protestantism even if you are a part of it. Its like how in order to understand a counterfeit you must understand the genuine the counterfeit mimics. Well, what he said about protectionism was a lie so I won't hold my breath that if he says anything else it'll be true. Like how dare he claim that I believed what he said. Makes me mad. Well bible only calls the church the bride so I'll just stick to facts about what it's called.
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KGrim
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Post by KGrim on Apr 20, 2020 0:16:50 GMT
He's an Orthodox Christian dressed in monk's attire and I would argue that he knows quite a bit about Protestantism. The Church can be considered the mother of Christians and the bride of Christ. I would go on further to say that to fully understand Protestantism you have to understand Orthodoxy. If you don't understand Orthodoxy then you can't really understand Protestantism even if you are a part of it. Its like how in order to understand a counterfeit you must understand the genuine the counterfeit mimics. Well, what he said about protectionism was a lie so I won't hold my breath that if he says anything else it'll be true. Like how dare he claim that I believed what he said. Makes me mad. Well bible only calls the church the bride so I'll just stick to facts about what it's called. I wish I could convince you that the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is false and that there is a rich tradition of teaching that can be relied on concerning the church, but I won't hold my breath that I can convince you of such a thing. We can only agree to disagree. I'm sorry if what he says makes you mad, but he's only speaking the truth as he understands it and there is no reason to get mad.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2020 0:25:01 GMT
Well, what he said about protectionism was a lie so I won't hold my breath that if he says anything else it'll be true. Like how dare he claim that I believed what he said. Makes me mad. Well bible only calls the church the bride so I'll just stick to facts about what it's called. I wish I could convince you that the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is false and that there is a rich tradition of teaching that can be relied on concerning the church, but I won't hold my breath that I can convince you of such a thing. We can only agree to disagree. I'm sorry if what he says makes you mad, but he's only speaking the truth as he understands it and there is no reason to get mad. He cannot speak the truth if what he said I believe isn't what I believe. Means he lied. That's just facts.
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KGrim
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Post by KGrim on Apr 20, 2020 0:26:11 GMT
I wish I could convince you that the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is false and that there is a rich tradition of teaching that can be relied on concerning the church, but I won't hold my breath that I can convince you of such a thing. We can only agree to disagree. I'm sorry if what he says makes you mad, but he's only speaking the truth as he understands it and there is no reason to get mad. He cannot speak the truth if what he said I believe isn't what I believe. Means he lied. That's just facts. And what exactly is it that you believe?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2020 0:54:37 GMT
He cannot speak the truth if what he said I believe isn't what I believe. Means he lied. That's just facts. And what exactly is it that you believe? That had a very easy answer. Obviously it's not some branch theory the guy in the video said. I believe exactly what the bible says about the church. Here's a few things. 1. The head of the church is Christ and so the church is only subject to Christ For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians:5:23 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ephesians:5:24 2. It contains many members but they're all part of one body So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Romans:12:5 3. It's the glorious bride that Christ will return for That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians:5:27
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KGrim
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Post by KGrim on Apr 20, 2020 1:01:51 GMT
And what exactly is it that you believe? That had a very easy answer. Obviously it's not some branch theory the guy in the video said. I believe exactly what the bible says about the church. Here's a few things. 1. The head of the church is Christ and so the church is only subject to Christ For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians:5:23 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ephesians:5:24 2. It contains many members but they're all part of one body So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Romans:12:5 3. It's the glorious bride that Christ will return for That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians:5:27 But what about differences between different denominations like the Methodists and the Presbyterians? Are they just different members of the body of Christ? If that be so wouldn't that mean that they are like different branches?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2020 1:12:55 GMT
That had a very easy answer. Obviously it's not some branch theory the guy in the video said. I believe exactly what the bible says about the church. Here's a few things. 1. The head of the church is Christ and so the church is only subject to Christ For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians:5:23 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ephesians:5:24 2. It contains many members but they're all part of one body So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Romans:12:5 3. It's the glorious bride that Christ will return for That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians:5:27 But what about differences between different denominations like the Methodists and the Presbyterians? Are they just different members of the body of Christ? If that be so wouldn't that mean that they are like different branches? What makes you think they're considered part of Christ's body? Protestantism is everything but orthodox/Catholic. It really needs to be split up because everyone considers us the same which is false. I'd never set foot into their churches and Methodists are into gay stuff to much which makes zero sense to why they are supposedly followers of Christ.
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Post by KGrim on Apr 20, 2020 1:18:54 GMT
But what about differences between different denominations like the Methodists and the Presbyterians? Are they just different members of the body of Christ? If that be so wouldn't that mean that they are like different branches? What makes you think they're considered part of Christ's body? Protestantism is everything but orthodox/Catholic. It really needs to be split up because everyone considers us the same which is false. I'd never set foot into their churches and Methodists are into gay stuff to much which makes zero sense to why they are supposedly followers of Christ. If Protestantism is everything but Orthodox/Catholic then that would naturally include Methodist and Presbyterian. But lets grant that Methodists are an invalid form of Protestantism. What about Presbyterians and their differences between Baptists and Pentecostals? Or are they not part of the body of Christ either? Come to think of it, which denominations do you consider to be part of the body of Christ? Or is it only so called non-denominational churches that are the body of Christ, which are practically indistinguishable from Baptists?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2020 2:07:57 GMT
What makes you think they're considered part of Christ's body? Protestantism is everything but orthodox/Catholic. It really needs to be split up because everyone considers us the same which is false. I'd never set foot into their churches and Methodists are into gay stuff to much which makes zero sense to why they are supposedly followers of Christ. If Protestantism is everything but Orthodox/Catholic then that would naturally include Methodist and Presbyterian. But lets grant that Methodists are an invalid form of Protestantism. What about Presbyterians and their differences between Baptists and Pentecostals? Or are they not part of the body of Christ either? Come to think of it, which denominations do you consider to be part of the body of Christ? Or is it only so called non-denominational churches that are the body of Christ, which are practically indistinguishable from Baptists? That's an easy answer too. Only these are part of the body. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John:4:23
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Post by KGrim on Apr 20, 2020 2:18:29 GMT
If Protestantism is everything but Orthodox/Catholic then that would naturally include Methodist and Presbyterian. But lets grant that Methodists are an invalid form of Protestantism. What about Presbyterians and their differences between Baptists and Pentecostals? Or are they not part of the body of Christ either? Come to think of it, which denominations do you consider to be part of the body of Christ? Or is it only so called non-denominational churches that are the body of Christ, which are practically indistinguishable from Baptists? That's an easy answer too. Only these are part of the body. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John:4:23 If they are parts of the body then why do they have contradictory doctrines? For example, the Baptists do not believe in infant baptism but the Presbyterians do. Are they both valid expressions of the Protestant faith despite their contradiction? If so, wouldn't that make them different branches?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2020 2:43:24 GMT
That's an easy answer too. Only these are part of the body. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John:4:23 If they are parts of the body then why do they have contradictory doctrines? For example, the Baptists do not believe in infant baptism but the Presbyterians do. Are they both valid expressions of the Protestant faith despite their contradiction? If so, wouldn't that make them different branches? Those true worshippers do not have different doctrines. They have one and worship in spirit and truth. Obviously that means some or all the ones you listed are not part of that verse. God's only seeking certain kinds of people. They have same thing in common. They worship Him in spirit and truth.
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Post by KGrim on Apr 20, 2020 2:56:57 GMT
If they are parts of the body then why do they have contradictory doctrines? For example, the Baptists do not believe in infant baptism but the Presbyterians do. Are they both valid expressions of the Protestant faith despite their contradiction? If so, wouldn't that make them different branches? Those true worshippers do not have different doctrines. They have one and worship in spirit and truth. Obviously that means some or all the ones you listed are not part of that verse. God's only seeking certain kinds of people. They have same thing in common. They worship Him in spirit and truth. But its obvious that in Protestantism there are different doctrines. You can call a Presbyterian a true worshiper and a baptist a true worshiper, because they have something in common, but this does not negate their differences. If they are both true worshipers then they must be different branches of true worshipers because of their differences. You cannot say that the true worshipers do not have different doctrines, that is absurd. There are many sincere Presbyterians that believe in predestination, while Baptist don't. Presbyterians also don't believe in the death penalty while many Baptists do. Then there is the structure of each church government which is quite different. There are sincere worshipers in both denominations. They have different doctrines despite having some things in common. If the common denominator is the only thing that matters between denominations then why can't we include Orthodoxy and Catholicism into Protestantism because of their common denominators?
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