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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 17, 2020 4:45:38 GMT
This applies to the USA.
So people are supposed to get the stimulus checks of a minimum of $1,200. (I am still waiting this check)
They're trying to pass for everyone to also get $2,000 each month for the next 6 months. So, a total of $12,000. (I'll be getting this)
They're also doing hazard pay for essential workers from the Heroes Fund. That's all heathcare, grocery stores, etc. It's for $25,000 per person plus some other monetary stuff. (I'll be getting this)
So with all of this in place. How will the economy look like after this pandemic ends?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 18, 2020 6:32:46 GMT
This applies to the USA. So people are supposed to get the stimulus checks of a minimum of $1,200. (I am still waiting this check) They're trying to pass for everyone to also get $2,000 each month for the next 6 months. So, a total of $12,000. (I'll be getting this) They're also doing hazard pay for essential workers from the Heroes Fund. That's all heathcare, grocery stores, etc. It's for $25,000 per person plus some other monetary stuff. (I'll be getting this) So with all of this in place. How will the economy look like after this pandemic ends? Overall, handing out free money isnt going to fix anything. People need to be allowed to buy and sell freely. Well, we can buy and sell things with that money that we're getting freely. What are the other countries doing for their people though?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 18, 2020 6:49:05 GMT
Overall, handing out free money isnt going to fix anything. People need to be allowed to buy and sell freely. Well, we can buy and sell things with that money that we're getting freely. What are the other countries doing for their people though? Well yea but businesses were forced to close, many people have lost their jobs. Simply giving those people money doesnt fix that problem, it just gives us a little time before we start to get hit with really bad problems. Idk what other countries are doing.. I heard China has everything started back up.. that's what China has said, but idk if I believe anything China says. We need to get our economy going again, we need to get those businesses that were closed opened back up again and get people working. We cant afford the welfare of over 10 million people who are unemployed. We are going to have much bigger problems than a virus if we dont get people back to work.
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Post by KGrim on Apr 18, 2020 18:37:52 GMT
fschmidt , You remind me of the prophet Jonah. He wanted the Ninevites to be destroyed by God's wrath and was disappointed when they repented and God spared them. America is like your Ninevah. You want its destruction rather than its repentance.
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Post by karl on Apr 18, 2020 21:11:45 GMT
Money is created by people taking up loans, and destroyed by people paying them back. If government money is spent to pay back loans that one would otherwise have defaulted on, then that wouldn't increase the money supply, and hence not cause inflation.
And if even those with enough money to spend stop buying anything beyond necessities, printing money may be needed to avoid deflation.
However, the US has a large trade deficit, and the price for imported goods depend on the value of the US dollar in relation to other currencies. A massive sale of US treasury bills, which is how one prints money, could cause the dollar to take a dip. So what used to be very cheap products from China on Walmart, will no longer be so cheap.
For as long as the US dollar is the world's reserve currency, the debt it owes through selling treasury bills to foreigners can be repaid by simply selling more treasury bills to the federal reserve. Or, in simpler terms; Since it owes money in its own currency, it can print money to repay it. This became possible after Nixon got the dollar off the gold standard to finance the Vietnam war by printing more money. However, if the US start doing this on a massive scale, the dollar could loose its status as the world's reserve currency.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 18, 2020 22:19:54 GMT
fschmidt , You remind me of the prophet Jonah. He wanted the Ninevites to be destroyed by God's wrath and was disappointed when they repented and God spared them. America is like your Ninevah. You want its destruction rather than its repentance. I would accept its repentance. If America repents then I would no longer want its destruction.
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Post by KGrim on Apr 18, 2020 23:29:02 GMT
fschmidt , You remind me of the prophet Jonah. He wanted the Ninevites to be destroyed by God's wrath and was disappointed when they repented and God spared them. America is like your Ninevah. You want its destruction rather than its repentance. I would accept its repentance. If America repents then I would no longer want its destruction. But what if only half of America repents? Would you still wish its destruction? What if only a quarter? Would you still wish its destruction? What if its only a million souls? A hundred thousand? One thousand? One hundred? Would you still wish its destruction? Where do you draw the line?
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 19, 2020 1:47:46 GMT
But what if only half of America repents? Would you still wish its destruction? What if only a quarter? Would you still wish its destruction? What if its only a million souls? A hundred thousand? One thousand? One hundred? Would you still wish its destruction? Where do you draw the line? I would use the criteria applied to Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18. If I believed that there were 10 good people in a society, then I would not wish for its destruction. I do not know of one single cultural American who I would not like to see shot.
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Post by KGrim on Apr 19, 2020 3:18:16 GMT
But what if only half of America repents? Would you still wish its destruction? What if only a quarter? Would you still wish its destruction? What if its only a million souls? A hundred thousand? One thousand? One hundred? Would you still wish its destruction? Where do you draw the line? I would use the criteria applied to Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18. If I believed that there were 10 good people in a society, then I would not wish for its destruction. I do not know of one single cultural American who I would not like to see shot. That makes me sad. Surely there must be more than 10 righteous people in a population of over 300 million Americans. I doubt that you have met every American that there is. I recognize that there is a lot of degeneracy in American culture, but not everything in our culture is totally bad. The media and the entertainment industry is rotten to the core and the elite practice disgusting things (pizzagate) and many common folk keep themselves in darkness, being controlled by their passions and never perceiving the spiritual things of God, but there is hope. I used to be one of the worst degenerates before I converted. I was a sick man, I can't even begin to tell you all my failings and the number of sins I committed out of stupidity, pride, selfishness, and depravity. Being in jail gave me time to reflect on how I hurt myself and my family. I deluded myself into thinking that there was no free-will, I was what you would call a hard determinist. I believed in the duality of the mind and body, but still believed that the mind was subject to the body. It was how I rationalized my failings, sweeping them under the rug of inevitability. If I happened to learn from my mistakes that too was just another inevitability. This way of thinking started to give way as I began reading religious literature while I was in jail. Strange thing about my being a hard determinist is that I believed in occult principles at the same time. I remember deciding to make Kali my principle goddess along with a character from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I bought a doll of Celestia and put it up in a corner in my camper and worshiped it while getting high as hell, thinking that maybe I could channel Kali through the doll. I did some whacked out shit, man. That wasn't the first or last time I experimented with Peter J. Carol's chaos magick. If I wasn't such a loner or so isolated here in east Texas I might have joined an occult group and really get myself into trouble. I started reading religious literature in jail, all the while reflecting on my life's mistakes, and I had this moment of intense insight. I suppose you could call it true spiritual gnosis. It wasn't like I was learning something new, but more like recovering a memory that I rationalized away. I remembered God. I remembered my life up to that point and I suddenly realized the role of God's hand in everything that befallen me. I realized the depth of how low I really was, how far I really had fallen, how gross in error I was in. The God of the bible wasn't just an idea to me anymore, but a certainty. I once believed in that certainty when I was younger but fell away from it. It was as if God had said to me, "I've been waiting for you to remember Me." I did. I remembered and I wept like Esau, fearful that there wasn't any room for repentance from my sins. But there was. Its been a journey for me. I'm a completely different person now. You look at most Americans and you condemn them, but I can't look at my fellow countrymen in that way, knowing what a weak minded and pathetic excuse of a man I was. If there was hope for a degenerate like me to turn his life around then there is hope for everybody. Most people aren't totally bent on evil, they're just lost and sometimes all it takes to change one soul is just a little bit of compassion.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 19, 2020 4:10:29 GMT
I don't see how someone can be seriously religious and be culturally American at the same time since the values are so different. At my mosque, I help convert people Islam (even though I am not Muslim) because I consider this a way of saving people. Once they become Muslim, I no longer consider them to be culturally American. Here is a video I recommend about Orthodox Christianity: videoHe is "True Orthodox" which is in schism with mainstream Orthodoxy. One cannot compromise with modern culture and expect to preserve religious values.
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Post by KGrim on Apr 19, 2020 4:29:09 GMT
I don't see how someone can be seriously religious and be culturally American at the same time since the values are so different. At my mosque, I help convert people Islam (even though I am not Muslim) because I consider this a way of saving people. Once they become Muslim, I no longer consider them to be culturally American. Here is a video I recommend about Orthodox Christianity: videoHe is "True Orthodox" which is in schism with mainstream Orthodoxy. One cannot compromise with modern culture and expect to preserve religious values. I take my religion seriously and I reject ecumenism. I agree with some of the things the man in the video said, but not everything. I thank you for sharing that and I will think about these things.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 19, 2020 4:33:37 GMT
I would use the criteria applied to Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18. If I believed that there were 10 good people in a society, then I would not wish for its destruction. I do not know of one single cultural American who I would not like to see shot. That makes me sad. Surely there must be more than 10 righteous people in a population of over 300 million Americans. I doubt that you have met every American that there is. I recognize that there is a lot of degeneracy in American culture, but not everything in our culture is totally bad. The media and the entertainment industry is rotten to the core and the elite practice disgusting things (pizzagate) and many common folk keep themselves in darkness, being controlled by their passions and never perceiving the spiritual things of God, but there is hope. I used to be one of the worst degenerates before I converted. I was a sick man, I can't even begin to tell you all my failings and the number of sins I committed out of stupidity, pride, selfishness, and depravity. Being in jail gave me time to reflect on how I hurt myself and my family. I deluded myself into thinking that there was no free-will, I was what you would call a hard determinist. I believed in the duality of the mind and body, but still believed that the mind was subject to the body. It was how I rationalized my failings, sweeping them under the rug of inevitability. If I happened to learn from my mistakes that too was just another inevitability. This way of thinking started to give way as I began reading religious literature while I was in jail. Strange thing about my being a hard determinist is that I believed in occult principles at the same time. I remember deciding to make Kali my principle goddess along with a character from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I bought a doll of Celestia and put it up in a corner in my camper and worshiped it while getting high as hell, thinking that maybe I could channel Kali through the doll. I did some whacked out shit, man. That wasn't the first or last time I experimented with Peter J. Carol's chaos magick. If I wasn't such a loner or so isolated here in east Texas I might have joined an occult group and really get myself into trouble. I started reading religious literature in jail, all the while reflecting on my life's mistakes, and I had this moment of intense insight. I suppose you could call it true spiritual gnosis. It wasn't like I was learning something new, but more like recovering a memory that I rationalized away. I remembered God. I remembered my life up to that point and I suddenly realized the role of God's hand in everything that befallen me. I realized the depth of how low I really was, how far I really had fallen, how gross in error I was in. The God of the bible wasn't just an idea to me anymore, but a certainty. I once believed in that certainty when I was younger but fell away from it. It was as if God had said to me, "I've been waiting for you to remember Me." I did. I remembered and I wept like Esau, fearful that there wasn't any room for repentance from my sins. But there was. Its been a journey for me. I'm a completely different person now. You look at most Americans and you condemn them, but I can't look at my fellow countrymen in that way, knowing what a weak minded and pathetic excuse of a man I was. If there was hope for a degenerate like me to turn his life around then there is hope for everybody. Most people aren't totally bent on evil, they're just lost and sometimes all it takes to change one soul is just a little bit of compassion. Did you run into anything demonic during your experiments with the occult?
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Post by KGrim on Apr 19, 2020 4:45:06 GMT
That makes me sad. Surely there must be more than 10 righteous people in a population of over 300 million Americans. I doubt that you have met every American that there is. I recognize that there is a lot of degeneracy in American culture, but not everything in our culture is totally bad. The media and the entertainment industry is rotten to the core and the elite practice disgusting things (pizzagate) and many common folk keep themselves in darkness, being controlled by their passions and never perceiving the spiritual things of God, but there is hope. I used to be one of the worst degenerates before I converted. I was a sick man, I can't even begin to tell you all my failings and the number of sins I committed out of stupidity, pride, selfishness, and depravity. Being in jail gave me time to reflect on how I hurt myself and my family. I deluded myself into thinking that there was no free-will, I was what you would call a hard determinist. I believed in the duality of the mind and body, but still believed that the mind was subject to the body. It was how I rationalized my failings, sweeping them under the rug of inevitability. If I happened to learn from my mistakes that too was just another inevitability. This way of thinking started to give way as I began reading religious literature while I was in jail. Strange thing about my being a hard determinist is that I believed in occult principles at the same time. I remember deciding to make Kali my principle goddess along with a character from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I bought a doll of Celestia and put it up in a corner in my camper and worshiped it while getting high as hell, thinking that maybe I could channel Kali through the doll. I did some whacked out shit, man. That wasn't the first or last time I experimented with Peter J. Carol's chaos magick. If I wasn't such a loner or so isolated here in east Texas I might have joined an occult group and really get myself into trouble. I started reading religious literature in jail, all the while reflecting on my life's mistakes, and I had this moment of intense insight. I suppose you could call it true spiritual gnosis. It wasn't like I was learning something new, but more like recovering a memory that I rationalized away. I remembered God. I remembered my life up to that point and I suddenly realized the role of God's hand in everything that befallen me. I realized the depth of how low I really was, how far I really had fallen, how gross in error I was in. The God of the bible wasn't just an idea to me anymore, but a certainty. I once believed in that certainty when I was younger but fell away from it. It was as if God had said to me, "I've been waiting for you to remember Me." I did. I remembered and I wept like Esau, fearful that there wasn't any room for repentance from my sins. But there was. Its been a journey for me. I'm a completely different person now. You look at most Americans and you condemn them, but I can't look at my fellow countrymen in that way, knowing what a weak minded and pathetic excuse of a man I was. If there was hope for a degenerate like me to turn his life around then there is hope for everybody. Most people aren't totally bent on evil, they're just lost and sometimes all it takes to change one soul is just a little bit of compassion. Did you run into anything demonic during your experiments with the occult? Nothing overt, though this one time a friend of mine said he saw a dark shadow pass over my face.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 19, 2020 4:46:15 GMT
I take my religion seriously and I reject ecumenism. I agree with some of the things the man in the video said, but not everything. I thank you for sharing that and I will think about these things. Please note that it is a 4-part video - 4 videos.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 19, 2020 4:54:39 GMT
Did you run into anything demonic during your experiments with the occult? Nothing overt, though this one time a friend of mine said he saw a dark shadow pass over my face. Aye, my old pastor's story regarding his only experience with a demon possessed person was regarding a man that was practicing black magic. He worshipped Odin and wound up getting himself possessed by a demon. My pastor said it was the scariest thing he ever experienced and that before that moment he didn't take demons seriously and really didn't believe in them. My brother's experience with a demon possessed individual which didn't have a happy ending for the possessed had the demon calling himself Baal. I noticed you tried to channel the Pagan Goddess Kali through a pony doll. The pagan gods as i've said before are real and demonic so i'm glad you repented. I myself bought a Thor pendent from Amazon because it looked cool and I don't worship Thor and didn't think much of it but i'm debating whether to throw it away. It's caused me no problems but knowing the nature of the pagan gods it might be good to scrap it.
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Post by KGrim on Apr 19, 2020 5:05:07 GMT
Nothing overt, though this one time a friend of mine said he saw a dark shadow pass over my face. Aye, my old pastor's story regarding his only experience with a demon possessed person was regarding a man that was practicing black magic. He worshipped Odin and wound up getting himself possessed by a demon. My pastor said it was the scariest thing he ever experienced and that before that moment he didn't take demons seriously and really didn't believe in them. My brother's experience with a demon possessed individual which didn't have a happy ending for the possessed had the demon calling himself Baal. I noticed you tried to channel the Pagan Goddess Kali through a pony doll. The pagan gods as i've said before are real and demonic so i'm glad you repented. I myself bought a Thor pendent from Amazon because it looked cool and I don't worship Thor and didn't think much of it but i'm debating whether to throw it away. It's caused me no problems but knowing the nature of the pagan gods it might be good to scrap it. I think you'd be right to throw it away. As for me I think I need to do more self-examination. fschmidt isn't wrong about the incompatibility of worldly values and the Christian life. I've come a long way, but I still do things like smoke, play video games, and watch tv. I wonder to myself sometimes if these things are just road blocks to true spirituality.
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