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Post by greatestiam on Apr 3, 2020 18:43:32 GMT
If we do not turn our love of self to our hate of self, we are bound for our near extinction.
Science has shown that the good in us, our love side, is dominating us via our selfish gene.
Science is also showing us that we are in a major extinction event that may well include a vast number of people. I doubt that our full extinction will come to pass, but we will be reduced to such small numbers that we will likely revert to a less sophisticated system and city states.
If we do not turn our swords into plows, and devastate the worlds populations with war, our environment will do the deed and near extinct us.
We love our governments and gods. That is why we have let them bring us to the brink of extinction. We follow them so closely that we all have our heads stuck into the ground.
I think, given the incompetence of all governments and gods; we should let our great love for what leads us and turn it to hate, as we should, to insure the survival of people right here and right now. Start to hate the systems that got us all to this pitiful place in time.
We presently elect our incompetent governments and gods for a variety of reasons. We are all tribal and belong to a religious tribe or a government tribe. We all follow their ideologies, theologies or philosophies. We are all the same in this.
Surely, given that we are basically all humans, who wish to love more than hate, can hate those things that are putting us all in peril long enough to do something about our head long leap to near extinction.
The environment is under political control and they are killing our bodies. Our bodies harbor our souls to the physical world where our children live.
I think it is time for a god to take over.
I don’t care if it is a pedophile protecting Pope or a united Christianity, or newly elected Khalif of a newly united Islam, but a god must step up, as our political side has failed humankind completely.
Our politicians are not uniting the world and should be made to step down so that some form of religious system, chosen by the masses, so that we can try uniting under a newly elected god.
Jesus prophesied that that would become a necessity, and so did Socrates before him. Both were right in thinking that such a system would be the best possible end for political theories.
I urge the vast majority of the world, the religious, to have a final battle in the ongoing god wars, which involves our political gods as well. Let their hate out by debate and elect a new god of peace so that our current incompetent batch of leaders might find the best one.
My love of the religious has let loose my hate against our incompetent political leadership and I think we all should, elect a new god and save us from our own near extinction.
We have the means; do we have the will?
Regards
DL
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Post by KGrim on Apr 9, 2020 19:11:50 GMT
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 10, 2020 1:43:10 GMT
What if the one world government is corrupt and evil like one big Oceania from 1984? What if the one world government pollutes the earth commits mass murder against its people and does all of the actions you say are destroying the world now, but now has the entirety of the world and all of its resources united as one pulling the world in that direction? It would be a one world government, but made up of representation from all nations. If they cannot police themselves, or have their people police the larger one world government, then nothing has changed. Right? We would have just replaced a corrupt bunch with another one. Same difference right? Regards DL The problem is that power tends to centralize and consolidate. A united humanity in my eyes would be a nightmare. Humanity is bad enough when its divided, we don't need a world spanning empire especially under theocratic government (even as a christian I don't support theocracy unless Jesus himself is running things directly.) I don't have enough faith in people to believe that this would end in any way other than hell. My solution to the problem would actually be the opposite extreme which was proposed by the economist Thomas H. Naylor and that is to break the governments of the world into extremely small culturally homogeneous states the size of places like Denmark, Switzerland, Luxembourg and the like. Small states can look out for the general welfare of the people within them better than large states can (as shown by Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Denmark) and can cause a lot less damage and have less ability to wage destructive wars than large states. Break the USA down into its 50 states and territories and turn its large cities into city states, break China down to its provinces and make its large cities city states, break Germany into its states, do the same with India Russia, France, and every other country in the world and do this until we have a world of small culturally homogeneous states.
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 15, 2020 19:39:07 GMT
Small states are what led us into two major world wars. They were attractive to the larger ones and would have fell if a larger U.S. had not intervened and by joining the fray.
"I don't have enough faith in people to believe that this would end in any way other than hell."
You do not have faith in people, while ignoring the stats that show just how nice we are. Nice to the point that experts are having a hard time explaining why we are so nice.
Strange that you have no faith in the real, while having faith in what is obviously a myth.
Regards DL
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 17, 2020 1:56:55 GMT
Small states are what led us into two major world wars. They were attractive to the larger ones and would have fell if a larger U.S. had not intervened and by joining the fray. "I don't have enough faith in people to believe that this would end in any way other than hell." You do not have faith in people, while ignoring the stats that show just how nice we are. Nice to the point that experts are having a hard time explaining why we are so nice. Strange that you have no faith in the real, while having faith in what is obviously a myth. Regards DL You really don't see the flaw in the first thing you said? The world wars became world wars not because of the small states but because of the larger empires trying to conquer them. In world war one the big players in escalating the war were Austria Hungary (a multiethnic empire that stretched from Austria and Hungary through the balkans), Russia (a massive state that stretched from the Bering Strait through Siberia all the way to Poland), and Germany (a country that used to be a bunch of small states but was unified into one large one much to the detriment of humanity.) In world war 2 the western Axis powers were composed of Germany and Italy, two countries which were originally separated into a bunch of smaller states but were unified into larger states with the advent of centralist nationalism. If these two countries had stayed balkanized into separate states, World War 2 at least would've never happened. As for your other nonsense, "nice" does not equal good and scientific studies are all over the place about how good or not we are. I tend to look at history as a guide and history is one big bloodbath with crimes against humanity actually increasing in 20th century as we got more "civilized". Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and countless other genocides are what i'm referring to in the 20th century. Anyone who can study history as I do and have any faith in humanities' goodness is deluded at best. As for my faith in God it is based on what I have experienced myself in this life. My faith is not based upon nothing but on what God himself has revealed to me.
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 21, 2020 1:54:05 GMT
As for my faith in God it is based on what I have experienced myself in this life. My faith is not based upon nothing but on what God himself has revealed to me. You do not have faith. If you did, you would not think god a loser by believing in hell. You see god as too incompetent to do his will of saving us all. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Regards DL
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 21, 2020 2:24:32 GMT
As for my faith in God it is based on what I have experienced myself in this life. My faith is not based upon nothing but on what God himself has revealed to me. You do not have faith. If you did, you would not think god a loser by believing in hell. You see god as too incompetent to do his will of saving us all. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Regards DL This has been explained to you before ad nauseum. Anyways i'm not going to argue with you about religion. It's a waste of both of our times.
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 22, 2020 0:48:49 GMT
Correct.
The lack of ability of the religious to do apologetics is why the supernatural god religions are shrinking and will die out.
Especially Christianity and Islam which posit that a genocidal god is a good god. You are calling evil good and you know it.
You have sold your moral soul to Satan by believing as you do.
Regards DL
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 22, 2020 4:58:16 GMT
Yes, the two people who follow your religion will finally have their day.
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 22, 2020 11:57:41 GMT
Yes, the two people who follow your religion will finally have their day. I hope so, but at the rate the atheist churches are moving, they will likely win out as few will do the esoteric or mystical work required for enlightenment via apotheosis. In terms of the moral fiber of the population, it likely will not mater as secular law seems to be on the right path. Regards DL
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