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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 20:15:44 GMT
How to stop being cruel?
Cruel behaviour is the most destructive form of social relationship ever. Feelin of cruelty is an alive tanatos inside us as similar to once said words of the father Freud. Until this behaviour is stopped, evil grows fantastically fast.
How to stop it? Is it really possible?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 22:42:51 GMT
Social distancing will help. Less you see people you dislike the less you'll feel like being cruel to. .them when they press your buttons. At least it works for me Ok. Eli, but what do I need to do if a person I hate is myself?
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 22:43:06 GMT
What do you mean by "God was own to the Universe?" Do you mean that God owed something to the universe? Well, I wanted to say that God didn't only promise to men about His come at the end of days, and about saints to live eternally, and so on... but also He promised (not utterly, or not explicitly) that He will save this Universe. So, it can be valued as the Third Testament (the testament with the Universe). Yes, I agree that all of creation will be redeemed in the age to come.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 22:44:43 GMT
Those who acquire insight as the main purpose of life, will never stagnate. Those who never stagnate, will never feel empty. Those who never feel empty, lack the incentive to be cruel. Incredible! I have to note this and put on the wall before eyes to stare at this every morning (for inspiring myself).
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 22:45:57 GMT
Well, I wanted to say that God didn't only promise to men about His come at the end of days, and about saints to live eternally, and so on... but also He promised (not utterly, or not explicitly) that He will save this Universe. So, it can be valued as the Third Testament (the testament with the Universe). Yes, I agree that all of creation will be redeemed in the age to come. This automatically means we are not the only ones who have the testament with God. Maybe the Universe is alive... Or I'm joking. I dunno. I find it to be interesting, but I'm not sure.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 22:52:57 GMT
How to stop being cruel? Cruel behaviour is the most destructive form of social relationship ever. Feelin of cruelty is an alive tanatos inside us as similar to once said words of the father Freud. Until this behaviour is stopped, evil grows fantastically fast. How to stop it? Is it really possible? Look at it this way. A person makes a mistake. That mistake causes suffering in B person. Many attempts to explain how the mistake is causing B person to suffer are ignored. A person refuses to acknowledge the mistake. This can occur for two quite different reasons, it could be lack of intelligence, or it could be an egotistical refusal to admit weakness. Either way, as the suffering gets worse, B person can only survive by being cruel to A person. This is in hope that the intensity of the cruelty can awaken a question as to why the cruelty occurs. Now sometimes A person reacts by mimicking B person. Causing cruelty every time in response to his own suffering without even trying to explain. That is the stubborn ego. Some like to argue that there is never a need to react with cruelty; and often there is no need and it is just an unthinking reaction. I just killed two cockroaches. It was a cruel and horrid thing to do. But they just will not learn to stay out of my kitchen! Some philosophers type nonsense sophistry and ignore the logic of the matter, over and again. As a matter of empathy, making cruel jests at their expense is perhaps the only way to jolt them out of their unthinking incoherent babbling. A marvelous notification! Why do you think killing cockroaches is cruel? I call cruelty an act of possessing. I mean if I fell I possessed with some evil force I'm already cruel. So, not my actions or interactions, but my a list of my wishes is what characterizes me the most as a cruel person. For instance, I'm planning to kill Jedi, but I do not do anything that may be assumed as I have intentions to do it. I can even kill Jedi in my imagination, or I'm thinking for hours about tortures on Jedi, but in real life I don't any provocative actions. So, am I a cruel person or not?
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 22:54:46 GMT
Yes, I agree that all of creation will be redeemed in the age to come. This automatically means we are not the only ones who have the testament with God. Maybe the Universe is alive... Or I'm joking. I dunno. I find it to be interesting, but I'm not sure. You may not be too far off the mark. I think, if I'm interpreting him right, Sergius Bulgakov writes about the creaturely Sophia being the collective soul of all of creation in his book The Bride of the Lamb. I haven't read the whole thing but I did take some notes such as this quote: "The creaturely Sophia, as the heavenly face of the world's being, already contains the entire fullness of creation, just as the spring earth already contains all the seeds that will issue forth sprouts in their time. The creaturely Sophia connects and contains all. She is the universe containing the all of creaturely being and linking it in a cosmic connection. In this sense, the creaturely Sophia is the soul of the creaturely world, its supracreaturely wisdom, the divine instinct of creaturely being, the guardian angel of creation, the very substance of creatureliness, submerged in nothing." - Sergius Bulgakov, "The Bride of the Lamb" (64)
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 23, 2020 23:23:17 GMT
Social distancing will help. Less you see people you dislike the less you'll feel like being cruel to. .them when they press your buttons. At least it works for me Ok. Eli, but what do I need to do if a person I hate is myself? You must change your ways and/or mindset. If you are upset with always doing bad things then you must discipline yourself until you stop doing what is wrong. If it's just guilt or something else that isn't an action then you must change your mindset and accept yourself after getting to where you are now from all the battles, scars, failures, etc.
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Post by joustos on Mar 24, 2020 14:55:44 GMT
What do you mean by "God was own to the Universe?" Do you mean that God owed something to the universe? Well, I wanted to say that God didn't only promise to men about His come at the end of days, and about saints to live eternally, and so on... but also He promised (not utterly, or not explicitly) that He will save this Universe. So, it can be valued as the Third Testament (the testament with the Universe). According to the history of God (namely the Hebrew Bible), when somebody misbehaved -- such as the sons of the gods consorting with human females -- God got rid of humanking by causing the Flood. Apparently the new generation of humans [from Noah's family] is not better than the old generation, but apparently there is no divine remedy. How about establishing a human government that will get rid of people who are cruel to humans, to animals, etc.?? Isn't it cruel for human females not to respond to the advances of the sons of the gods.... whoever they are? In the play of Othello, set to music by Verdi, there is a great aria that Iago sings: I believe in a cruel God (Credo in un Dio crudel) , who made me in His image... And I believe that man is the game of an unjust fate.....
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Post by jonbain on Mar 25, 2020 20:34:26 GMT
Look at it this way. A person makes a mistake. That mistake causes suffering in B person. Many attempts to explain how the mistake is causing B person to suffer are ignored. A person refuses to acknowledge the mistake. This can occur for two quite different reasons, it could be lack of intelligence, or it could be an egotistical refusal to admit weakness. Either way, as the suffering gets worse, B person can only survive by being cruel to A person. This is in hope that the intensity of the cruelty can awaken a question as to why the cruelty occurs. Now sometimes A person reacts by mimicking B person. Causing cruelty every time in response to his own suffering without even trying to explain. That is the stubborn ego. Some like to argue that there is never a need to react with cruelty; and often there is no need and it is just an unthinking reaction. I just killed two cockroaches. It was a cruel and horrid thing to do. But they just will not learn to stay out of my kitchen! Some philosophers type nonsense sophistry and ignore the logic of the matter, over and again. As a matter of empathy, making cruel jests at their expense is perhaps the only way to jolt them out of their unthinking incoherent babbling. A marvelous notification! Why do you think killing cockroaches is cruel? I call cruelty an act of possessing. I mean if I fell I possessed with some evil force I'm already cruel. So, not my actions or interactions, but my a list of my wishes is what characterizes me the most as a cruel person. For instance, I'm planning to kill Jedi, but I do not do anything that may be assumed as I have intentions to do it. I can even kill Jedi in my imagination, or I'm thinking for hours about tortures on Jedi, but in real life I don't any provocative actions. So, am I a cruel person or not? Of course it is just a little joke about the cockroaches, although some philosophers around here make less sense than cockroaches. In this way I would be tempted to swat that philosopher, and it would be a mercy killing. Morality is most effectively defined by intentions. Attempted murder is worse than killing someone to end their suffering. You use the term 'Jedi'. Perhaps to identify a good person? Like Anakin Skywalker? Psychologically the most dangerous place your mind can be in, is to have unwanted psychopathic thoughts. If you know why you may want to kill Anakin, that is understandable, and introspection can solve that one way or another. But to leave such thoughts to wander into the shadow of your subconscious will result in violent action against perhaps an innocent person who just reminds you of the Jedi you should have dealt with earlier. That is why its good to persist in arguments rather then shy away from confrontation.
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