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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 20:15:44 GMT
How to stop being cruel?
Cruel behaviour is the most destructive form of social relationship ever. Feelin of cruelty is an alive tanatos inside us as similar to once said words of the father Freud. Until this behaviour is stopped, evil grows fantastically fast.
How to stop it? Is it really possible?
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 20:28:30 GMT
Eugene 2.0 , So long as man is endowed with freewill there is nothing stopping a person from being cruel if they really want to be. However, that being said, one does not have to be cruel in response to the evil that those inflict upon us. That is the challenge of being a Christian.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 20:32:29 GMT
Eugene 2.0 , So long as man is endowed with freewill there is nothing stopping a person from being cruel if they really want to be. However, that being said, one does not have to be cruel in response to the evil that those inflict upon us. That is the challenge of being a Christian. Isn't it a sign how evil is powerful? I think we've been misguided about it. Evil might be just the force, the power of the universe. |
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Post by karl on Mar 23, 2020 20:32:47 GMT
Those who acquire insight as the main purpose of life, will never stagnate. Those who never stagnate, will never feel empty. Those who never feel empty, lack the incentive to be cruel.
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 20:42:17 GMT
Eugene 2.0 , So long as man is endowed with freewill there is nothing stopping a person from being cruel if they really want to be. However, that being said, one does not have to be cruel in response to the evil that those inflict upon us. That is the challenge of being a Christian. Isn't it a sign how evil is powerful? I think we've been misguided about it. Evil might be just the force, the power of the universe. Evil is not a power, it's unsubstantial, a privation or corruption of the Good. Power in of itself is actually Good. All Power comes from the Lord Almighty, even the devil owes his power to God. The devil, being perverted from his original purpose, uses his Power for ill instead of good, but the Power of God is unique in that it can bring Good out of Evil. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 20:53:31 GMT
Isn't it a sign how evil is powerful? I think we've been misguided about it. Evil might be just the force, the power of the universe. Evil is not a power, it's unsubstantial, a privation or corruption of the Good. Power in of itself is actually Good. All Power comes from the Lord Almighty, even the devil owes his power to God. The devil, being perverted from his original purpose, uses his Power for ill instead of good, but the Power of God is unique in that it can bring Good out of Evil. Look, it's not right. In first sentences you claimed: a. "Evil is not a power" b. "Power... is actually God" Then you said: c. "The devil... uses his Power" d. "Power of God is unique" So, how Power and God are doing with each other is still mystery. It doesn't seem possible for God to not be evil at least partially. If He does not contain a part of evil, He is not omniscience. That's why is easier for God to destroy this world as just a lousy experiment. We're just lab rats. I think He will create us new. We're all will be in the true Paradise of Him, because we're all His children. Even if someone of us does not exist, it doesn't mean this person does not exist at all. The person exists in God's mind, or God's idea, as the project. That's why in God we're alive (as Jesus said in Bible when being asked by pharisee about marriage in heavens). |
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Post by Polaris on Mar 23, 2020 20:57:04 GMT
Before you demand that man should stop being cruel you need to guarantee to man a kind of life on earth in which he doesn't need to be cruel to survive or to satisfy a basic need. In Dicken's "Great Expectations", the convict abuses the five year old orphan in so many ways. he scares him, threatens to kill him, robs him of the little bread he has in his pocket, and forces him to steal food and a file for him from home. However, this abusive behavior could partly be justified as the little boy is the only chance of the convict's survival. if doesn't get food and something to cut the chain in his leg with, he may either die of hunger or be recaptured by the police.
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 21:02:44 GMT
Evil is not a power, it's unsubstantial, a privation or corruption of the Good. Power in of itself is actually Good. All Power comes from the Lord Almighty, even the devil owes his power to God. The devil, being perverted from his original purpose, uses his Power for ill instead of good, but the Power of God is unique in that it can bring Good out of Evil. Look, it's not right. In first sentences you claimed: a. "Evil is not a power" b. "Power... is actually God" Then you said: c. "The devil... uses his Power" d. "Power of God is unique" So, how Power and God are doing with each other is still mystery. It doesn't seem possible for God to not be evil at least partially. If He does not contain a part of evil, He is not omniscience. That's why is easier for God to destroy this world as just a lousy experiment. We're just lab rats. I think He will create us new. We're all will be in the true Paradise of Him, because we're all His children. Even if someone of us does not exist, it doesn't mean this person does not exist at all. The person exists in God's mind, or God's idea, as the project. That's why in God we're alive (as Jesus said in Bible when being asked by pharisee about marriage in heavens). Disregard this post it wasn't well thought out. |
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 21:25:18 GMT
Eugene 2.0 , I'm sorry if I appear to be contradicting myself. I'm not doing a very good job of explaining, but bear with me I'm just an imperfect man and I don't have all the answers as much as I would like to. I should distinguish between created power and uncreated power. The Uncreated power of God is unique to God and has the ability to bring Good out of Evil. Created Power is simply of God and can be bequeathed to his creatures for use of good or evil purposes, even though the power in of itself is a good. Good is the Light while Evil is the dark. Note that I did not say that Evil is anti-light having a substance like that of light, but rather that it is the dark, which is the privation or absence of light. So Evil is more akin to a non-thing than a thing. It would be easy for God to destroy this world in an instant, but He hasn't and life still goes on. There has to be a reason for that.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 22:17:51 GMT
Before you demand that man should stop being cruel you need to guarantee to man a kind of life on earth in which he doesn't need to be cruel to survive or to satisfy a basic need. In Dicken's "Great Expectations", the convict abuses the five year old orphan in so many ways. he scares him, threatens to kill him, robs him of the little bread he has in his pocket, and forces him to steal food and a file for him from home. However, this abusive behavior could partly be justified as the little boy is the only chance of the convict's survival. if doesn't get food and something to cut the chain in his leg with, he may either die of hunger or be recaptured by the police. No, it was not correct from my side to present the question partially. I mean that I didn't try to touch ontological questions. I do not care whether or not evil exists, or should we use force, cruelty, or smth. The question was - what triggers can help me to stop my own force, my own cruelty. Or, briefly, what stops our demons? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 22:23:20 GMT
Eugene 2.0 , I'm sorry if I appear to be contradicting myself. I'm not doing a very good job of explaining, but bear with me I'm just an imperfect man and I don't have all the answers as much as I would like to. I should distinguish between created power and uncreated power. The Uncreated power of God is unique to God and has the ability to bring Good out of Evil. Created Power is simply of God and can be bequeathed to his creatures for use of good or evil purposes, even though the power in of itself is a good. Good is the Light while Evil is the dark. Note that I did not say that Evil is anti-light having a substance like that of light, but rather that it is the dark, which is the privation or absence of light. So Evil is more akin to a non-thing than a thing. It would be easy for God to destroy this world in an instant, but He hasn't and life still goes on. There has to be a reason for that. Actually, I agree with most what you're saying despite of any contradictions. It also must have been added that what we call the "contradictions" may be just empty sound. The theory of argumentation is more foxy that it appears at first sight. That's why contradictions don't arrange weather... (I mean not everything depends of it). Nevertheless, I've found smth funny about the argument of protecting this world from destruction. If we would apply that God, instead of ruining all our lives and this Universe, would decide to recover it, wouldn't it mean that God was own to the Universe? So, there must be the Third Testament - regarding to the universe. |
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 22:26:30 GMT
Eugene 2.0 , I'm sorry if I appear to be contradicting myself. I'm not doing a very good job of explaining, but bear with me I'm just an imperfect man and I don't have all the answers as much as I would like to. I should distinguish between created power and uncreated power. The Uncreated power of God is unique to God and has the ability to bring Good out of Evil. Created Power is simply of God and can be bequeathed to his creatures for use of good or evil purposes, even though the power in of itself is a good. Good is the Light while Evil is the dark. Note that I did not say that Evil is anti-light having a substance like that of light, but rather that it is the dark, which is the privation or absence of light. So Evil is more akin to a non-thing than a thing. It would be easy for God to destroy this world in an instant, but He hasn't and life still goes on. There has to be a reason for that. Actually, I agree with most what you're saying despite of any contradictions. It also must have been added that what we call the "contradictions" may be just empty sound. The theory of argumentation is more foxy that it appears at first sight. That's why contradictions don't arrange weather... (I mean not everything depends of it). Nevertheless, I've found smth funny about the argument of protecting this world from destruction. If we would apply that God, instead of ruining all our lives and this Universe, would decide to recover it, wouldn't it mean that God was own to the Universe? So, there must be the Third Testament - regarding to the universe. What do you mean by "God was own to the Universe?" Do you mean that God owed something to the universe? |
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 23, 2020 22:26:53 GMT
Social distancing will help. Less you see people you dislike the less you'll feel like being cruel to. .them when they press your buttons. At least it works for me  |
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Post by jonbain on Mar 23, 2020 22:32:58 GMT
How to stop being cruel? Cruel behaviour is the most destructive form of social relationship ever. Feelin of cruelty is an alive tanatos inside us as similar to once said words of the father Freud. Until this behaviour is stopped, evil grows fantastically fast. How to stop it? Is it really possible? Look at it this way. A person makes a mistake. That mistake causes suffering in B person. Many attempts to explain how the mistake is causing B person to suffer are ignored. A person refuses to acknowledge the mistake. This can occur for two quite different reasons, it could be lack of intelligence, or it could be an egotistical refusal to admit weakness. Either way, as the suffering gets worse, B person can only survive by being cruel to A person. This is in hope that the intensity of the cruelty can awaken a question as to why the cruelty occurs. Now sometimes A person reacts by mimicking B person. Causing cruelty every time in response to his own suffering without even trying to explain. That is the stubborn ego. Some like to argue that there is never a need to react with cruelty; and often there is no need and it is just an unthinking reaction. I just killed two cockroaches. It was a cruel and horrid thing to do. But they just will not learn to stay out of my kitchen! Some philosophers type nonsense sophistry and ignore the logic of the matter, over and again. As a matter of empathy, making cruel jests at their expense is perhaps the only way to jolt them out of their unthinking incoherent babbling. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 22:41:51 GMT
Actually, I agree with most what you're saying despite of any contradictions. It also must have been added that what we call the "contradictions" may be just empty sound. The theory of argumentation is more foxy that it appears at first sight. That's why contradictions don't arrange weather... (I mean not everything depends of it). Nevertheless, I've found smth funny about the argument of protecting this world from destruction. If we would apply that God, instead of ruining all our lives and this Universe, would decide to recover it, wouldn't it mean that God was own to the Universe? So, there must be the Third Testament - regarding to the universe. What do you mean by "God was own to the Universe?" Do you mean that God owed something to the universe? Well, I wanted to say that God didn't only promise to men about His come at the end of days, and about saints to live eternally, and so on... but also He promised (not utterly, or not explicitly) that He will save this Universe. So, it can be valued as the Third Testament (the testament with the Universe). |
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