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Post by KGrim on Mar 14, 2020 23:13:36 GMT
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Post by KGrim on Mar 23, 2020 20:24:14 GMT
Nonsense, even our Lord said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning. I'm not blaming the devil for man's sins any more than I would blame the devil for my sins. In the end we are all responsible for our own actions, but this does not negate the fact that the devil had an influence on our actions and has purposely acted to mislead us from the true way. A murderer? We was devil which meant a cheater, a liar. (Remember Jesus' words that the devil is the father of lie?) Anyway, I don't believe all the God's words even considering Him as a perfect creator. Even the best person among us has been made a mistake once, so what about God? He might've made of mistake. No one cay say that God cannot make mistakes. This universe is a big mistake of him. Even if at the end we're all gonna be saved, the world will be purified. Yes Jesus calls the devil a murder. John 8:44 - "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." I am saddened to hear that you think that God made a mistake. I wish I could change your heart of this, but all I can do is pray for you, friend.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 23, 2020 20:29:36 GMT
A murderer? We was devil which meant a cheater, a liar. (Remember Jesus' words that the devil is the father of lie?) Anyway, I don't believe all the God's words even considering Him as a perfect creator. Even the best person among us has been made a mistake once, so what about God? He might've made of mistake. No one cay say that God cannot make mistakes. This universe is a big mistake of him. Even if at the end we're all gonna be saved, the world will be purified. Yes Jesus calls the devil a murder. John 8:44 - "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." I am saddened to hear that you think that God made a mistake. I wish I could change your heart of this, but all I can do is pray for you, friend. You're right, KGrim... Thank you for support. I think I'm too cruel. I think I'm alike the Incredible Hulk - a saint outside while the devil is inside. God is merciful.
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Post by KGrim on Mar 26, 2020 22:11:45 GMT
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Post by Etu Malku on Mar 27, 2020 23:56:07 GMT
Did anyone expect anything else from Yahweh who began as a typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior", who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies; he later became the main god of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and of Judah. As the God of Israel Yahweh becomes its leader and champion in war! Make no doubt, as can be seen from the Old Testament, this is a blood thirsty, jealous, enslaving deity from the Middle East.
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Post by KGrim on Mar 28, 2020 2:05:12 GMT
Etu Malku , Yahweh never "began" He always as been and always will be. War is one of the many areas of human affairs that comes under the purview of his Providence. This is absolutely true when Israel is in good relations with God, but many a time God has given Israel over to its enemies because of sin and disobedience. Men in leadership positions, especially when leading in war, have to make hard decisions sometimes that many people do not understand. They risk being called many names like monster, war-monger, or bloodthirsty, but they don't act because they are any of these things, but rather they act because it is neccessary. How much more so it is for God! God does not desire for anyone to be lost or perish, but in a world full of sin and depravity God rightly distributes punishments not out of hate, but out of love. God, being a spirit, is sometimes described in anthropomorphic terms. You hear about the arm of God, or the eyes of God, or some other member of the body which doesn't rightly describe God who is simple and uncompound. These are "expressions" and are a form of condescension to human minds that can't fully grasp the being of God. The same goes for words like "jealousy" God is not subject to any of the passions but He condescends to our limited human vocabulary to express to us how great His love for us really is. As for enslaving, you should study the bible more. The system of Mosaic slavery was nothing like slavery in other parts of the world. I'll copy paste the gist of Mosaic slavery from this site: First of all, under ideal circumstances the system of slavery described in the Mosaic Law would not have been needed. God was clear that if the Israelites obeyed Him, there would be no poor in the land: Deuteronomy 15:4: “Save when there shall be no poor among you; for the Lord shall greatly bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it: 5 Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command thee this day.”However, the Israelites did not obey the Lord, and so there were poor among them. Since God knew this was going to happen, He established a number of provisions in the Mosaic Law that was intended to take care of the poor. For example, every seventh year the Israelites were supposed to leave their fields alone, so that the poor could eat whatever grew in their vineyards and olive trees: Exodus 23:10: “And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: 11 But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.”Likewise, when you harvested your field in the other 6 years, you were to leave the corners alone and not go back a second time to reap again. What was left behind was for the poor: Leviticus 19:9: “And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. 10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.”Moreover, the poor were not to be charged interest: Leviticus 25:35: “And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee. 36 Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.”On top of that, every three years the levitical tithe was to be shared with the poor: Deuteronomy 14:28: “At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.”Finally, and most amazingly, every seven years all debts were canceled: Deuteronomy 15:1: “At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. 2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord’s release.”As you can see, the Mosaic Law had a number of provisions in it that were designed to take care of the poor. Every seven years all debts were canceled, and all food that was grown was given to the poor. The poor could not be charged interest. Every three years they shared in the tithes that were given to the Levites. Every year they were given the food that was in the corners of the fields, and whatever grew after the first harvest. This is how the poor were cared for in the Mosaic Law. There were cases where these provisions were not enough. In that case the poor person could choose to sell himself into slavery: Leviticus 25:39: “And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: 40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee. 41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return.” It is important to note that the poor in Israel sold themselves into slavery; they were not sold by others. They took the money they received and used it to pay their debts. Their purchase price went to them, not to someone else. They were to be treated well – as servants, not slaves – and they were not sold for life: they were to be set free after a period of time. The system of slavery that is described in the Mosaic Law is completely different from the system of slavery that was practiced in the United States. First of all, you could not kidnap someone and sell them as a slave, or force someone into slavery. That was punishable by death: Deuteronomy 24:7: “If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.”
Slavery was entered into voluntarily. You could not be stolen and sold; people who did such things were hunted down and executed. Next, slaves were to be treated as hired servants, not as slaves. Mistreatment was forbidden:
Leviticus 25:53: “And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight.” Masters were not allowed to kill their slaves – and if they did, they were to be held criminally accountable:
Exodus 21:20: “And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.” If the master caused the servant any type of permanent physical damage, he was required to immediately set them free:
Exodus 21:26: “And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake.”As you can see, mistreatment was strictly forbidden – but the law went even further. All slaves were required to take the Sabbath day off: Deuteronomy 5:13: “Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.”Moreover, when the masters went up to Jerusalem to make sacrifices, or partake in celebrations, or celebrate the various festivals, their slaves were to accompany them and partake in the celebration as well: Deuteronomy 12:17: “Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: 18 But thou must eat them before the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the Lord thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.”Finally, all slaves were to be set free on the seventh year, and when they were set free they were to be let go with payment of money: Deuteronomy 15:12: “And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. 13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: 14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.”So not only was the poor person given money when he sold himself into slavery, but when he was set free in the seventh year he was to be given additional payment. It should also be noted that the slave could purchase his freedom at any time, regardless of whether the master wanted to set him free or not. Relatives of the slave could also purchase his freedom: Leviticus 25:48: “After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him: 49 Either his uncle, or his uncle’s son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself. 50 And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him. 51 If there be yet many years behind, according unto them he shall give again the price of his redemption out of the money that he was bought for. 52 And if there remain but few years unto the year of jubile, then he shall count with him, and according unto his years shall he give him again the price of his redemption. 53 And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight.”There is more. Slaves were to be treated as members of the household: they were to be given the same type of food that their masters ate, and live in the same type of house, and sleep in the same type of bed. They were allowed to own property of their own. As Leviticus says, he is to be treated as a hired servant, not as a slave. I hope this makes it very clear that the system of slavery described in the Mosaic Law is completely different from the system of slavery that was once practiced in this country. The two are completely different and should not be confused. When reading the Bible, it is important to keep in mind that this was the system that was in place in the Old Testament. Context is important; if we don’t keep the proper context in mind then we will jump to all sorts of erroneous conclusions.
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Post by Etu Malku on Mar 28, 2020 14:53:41 GMT
Etu Malku , Yahweh never "began" He always as been and always will be. War is one of the many areas of human affairs that comes under the purview of his Providence. This is absolutely true when Israel is in good relations with God, but many a time God has given Israel over to its enemies because of sin and disobedience. Men in leadership positions, especially when leading in war, have to make hard decisions sometimes that many people do not understand. They risk being called many names like monster, war-monger, or bloodthirsty, but they don't act because they are any of these things, but rather they act because it is neccessary. How much more so it is for God! God does not desire for anyone to be lost or perish, but in a world full of sin and depravity God rightly distributes punishments not out of hate, but out of love. God, being a spirit, is sometimes described in anthropomorphic terms. You hear about the arm of God, or the eyes of God, or some other member of the body which doesn't rightly describe God who is simple and uncompound. These are "expressions" and are a form of condescension to human minds that can't fully grasp the being of God. The same goes for words like "jealousy" God is not subject to any of the passions but He condescends to our limited human vocabulary to express to us how great His love for us really is. As for enslaving, you should study the bible more. The system of Mosaic slavery was nothing like slavery in other parts of the world. I'll copy paste the gist of Mosaic slavery from this site: First of all, under ideal circumstances the system of slavery described in the Mosaic Law would not have been needed. God was clear that if the Israelites obeyed Him, there would be no poor in the land: Deuteronomy 15:4: “Save when there shall be no poor among you; for the Lord shall greatly bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it: 5 Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command thee this day.”However, the Israelites did not obey the Lord, and so there were poor among them. Since God knew this was going to happen, He established a number of provisions in the Mosaic Law that was intended to take care of the poor. For example, every seventh year the Israelites were supposed to leave their fields alone, so that the poor could eat whatever grew in their vineyards and olive trees: Exodus 23:10: “And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: 11 But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.”Likewise, when you harvested your field in the other 6 years, you were to leave the corners alone and not go back a second time to reap again. What was left behind was for the poor: Leviticus 19:9: “And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. 10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.”Moreover, the poor were not to be charged interest: Leviticus 25:35: “And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee. 36 Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.”On top of that, every three years the levitical tithe was to be shared with the poor: Deuteronomy 14:28: “At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.”Finally, and most amazingly, every seven years all debts were canceled: Deuteronomy 15:1: “At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. 2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord’s release.”As you can see, the Mosaic Law had a number of provisions in it that were designed to take care of the poor. Every seven years all debts were canceled, and all food that was grown was given to the poor. The poor could not be charged interest. Every three years they shared in the tithes that were given to the Levites. Every year they were given the food that was in the corners of the fields, and whatever grew after the first harvest. This is how the poor were cared for in the Mosaic Law. There were cases where these provisions were not enough. In that case the poor person could choose to sell himself into slavery: Leviticus 25:39: “And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: 40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee. 41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return.” It is important to note that the poor in Israel sold themselves into slavery; they were not sold by others. They took the money they received and used it to pay their debts. Their purchase price went to them, not to someone else. They were to be treated well – as servants, not slaves – and they were not sold for life: they were to be set free after a period of time. The system of slavery that is described in the Mosaic Law is completely different from the system of slavery that was practiced in the United States. First of all, you could not kidnap someone and sell them as a slave, or force someone into slavery. That was punishable by death: Deuteronomy 24:7: “If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.”
Slavery was entered into voluntarily. You could not be stolen and sold; people who did such things were hunted down and executed. Next, slaves were to be treated as hired servants, not as slaves. Mistreatment was forbidden:
Leviticus 25:53: “And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight.” Masters were not allowed to kill their slaves – and if they did, they were to be held criminally accountable:
Exodus 21:20: “And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.” If the master caused the servant any type of permanent physical damage, he was required to immediately set them free:
Exodus 21:26: “And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake.”As you can see, mistreatment was strictly forbidden – but the law went even further. All slaves were required to take the Sabbath day off: Deuteronomy 5:13: “Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.”Moreover, when the masters went up to Jerusalem to make sacrifices, or partake in celebrations, or celebrate the various festivals, their slaves were to accompany them and partake in the celebration as well: Deuteronomy 12:17: “Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: 18 But thou must eat them before the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the Lord thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.”Finally, all slaves were to be set free on the seventh year, and when they were set free they were to be let go with payment of money: Deuteronomy 15:12: “And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. 13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: 14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.”So not only was the poor person given money when he sold himself into slavery, but when he was set free in the seventh year he was to be given additional payment. It should also be noted that the slave could purchase his freedom at any time, regardless of whether the master wanted to set him free or not. Relatives of the slave could also purchase his freedom: Leviticus 25:48: “After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him: 49 Either his uncle, or his uncle’s son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself. 50 And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him. 51 If there be yet many years behind, according unto them he shall give again the price of his redemption out of the money that he was bought for. 52 And if there remain but few years unto the year of jubile, then he shall count with him, and according unto his years shall he give him again the price of his redemption. 53 And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight.”There is more. Slaves were to be treated as members of the household: they were to be given the same type of food that their masters ate, and live in the same type of house, and sleep in the same type of bed. They were allowed to own property of their own. As Leviticus says, he is to be treated as a hired servant, not as a slave. I hope this makes it very clear that the system of slavery described in the Mosaic Law is completely different from the system of slavery that was once practiced in this country. The two are completely different and should not be confused. When reading the Bible, it is important to keep in mind that this was the system that was in place in the Old Testament. Context is important; if we don’t keep the proper context in mind then we will jump to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. You are purposely missing my point, that Yahweh is an appropriated deity, who 'began' his mythological/fiction life as a deity worshiped by the Semitic tribes who lived near the Gulf of Aqaba, He was designed by the Midianite, Hebrew, Moabite and Edomite tribes of southern Jordan and Palestine. The same deity was also known as Ea to the Babylonians, Yahu to the Aramaeans and Yah to the Egyptians. So, the Jews and Christians both fashioned their 'Almighty' God after an ancient pre-Islamic Arabian (3000 BC) deity of storms and war . . . not a good start. Maybe you should pick up a history book once in a while instead of reading fiction all the time . . . Since we're quoting from the Book of Fiction here's a few gems from that loving, peaceful deity of the Abrahamic faiths: 1 Chronicles 21 -God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people Deuteronomy 3 -God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value Joshua 6 -He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” -In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead 2 Kings 10:18-27 God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! Judges 21:10-24 God has an entire town killed and the virgins repeatedly raped, and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. Numbers 31:7-18 "They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men . . . Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you." Deuteronomy 21:10-14 "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house . . . After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife."
(4 Kings 2:23-24) God sent two bears to maul 42 kids to death for making fun of a bald dude.
(Genesis 19:26) God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed.
(Leviticus 21:17-24) God does not want coming into his churches: People with blemishes, blind people, the lame, those with flat noses, dwarves, people with scurvy, people with bad eyes, people with bad skin, and those that "hath their stones broken." God is technically responsible for giving people all of these afflictions in the first place.
(Exodus 4:24-26) There is literally no explanation given in the Bible for God's decision to murder one of his chief supporters. The line is "At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him." The only sensible explanation for this is that God was drunk out of his mind and looking for a bar fight, and you better hope that's correct because the alternative is that God's a psychopath.
(Genesis 38:1-10) Onan and his brother Er. God does not care for Er, and kills him. Standard God operating procedure. Onan's father orders Onan to have sex with Er's wife — not marry, by the way, just have sex with. This is actually pretty awkward for Onan, sleeping with his sister-in-law, and rather than give her any more kids (she had two with Er already) he pulls out. God is so infuriated that Onan did not fuck his sister-in-law to completion that he kills him, too. Now, you could argue that God demands that intercourse be used specifically for procreation, but given how much God loves killing babies and children, I don't think his motives here are exceptionally pure.
(Judges 14:1-19) More evidence that God is possibly a low-level mobster: When his pal Samson got married, he was given 30 friends, and he posed them (a completely insane) riddle. Then he made a bet that if they could solve it in a week, Samson would give them all new clothes, but if they couldn't they would give Samson 30 pairs of new clothes. Well, Samson's wife wheedled the answer out of him and then told these dudes, at which point an angry Samson had to pay up. And here's where God comes in — literally, into Samson, giving him the power to murder 30 random people for their clothes. Only a true friend would help you commit mass murder to settle a completely stupid bet.
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Post by KGrim on Mar 28, 2020 19:58:56 GMT
Etu Malku , History is an interpretation of data and that interpretation can sometimes be wrong. Have you ever considered that the history books you've been reading may have a little fiction mixed into to them? Historians are not always reliable founts of truth. I read many history books and I always am cognizant of the author's biases and opinions that color them. Ea of the Babylonians, Yahu of the Aramaeans, and Yah of the Egyptians were all based on the Truth of Yahweh as a counterfiet is based on the genuine that it mimics. I acknowledge every single piece of scripture that you presented, though your presentations don't not present scripture in proper context. The Bible is written in a high-context language: "The terms of high-context language and low-context language refer to a culture's tendency to use high-context messages instead of low-context messages during normal communications. In a high-context language the people leave things unsaid which allows the culture to explain the words unspoken." Certain things in scripture are left unsaid, so as for those 42 kids that were mauled by bears, how do you know they weren't a dangerous gang of hoodlums that were a threat to the Prophet? How do you know that Lot's wife didn't know that she wasn't suppose to look back? These things have to be considered when reading a work from a high-context culture. What makes you think they were all innocent? Some may have been decent people with others indecent. Even if they were all innocent, God is the origin and giver of life and can take back what He has given at anytime. Because of Adam's sin all men are appointed to die once and no man dies except when God permits. The point is, all our days are literally numbered and God has set the time for when we die. For some that's shorter than others. As for why, that's something only God knows. As for why God was angry at David's census, that's because man only has the right to count what belongs to him. The people of Israel belonged to God and not David, only God could order a census. David acknowledges his own sin (2 Sam 24:10) and God gives him the choice of three punishments. David chose three days of plague as the other punishments would leave him depending on the mercy of men. In 2 Sam 24:16 God was grieved because of the things that were happening to His people so He calls off the punishment. Even in His rebuke God still shows His love and mercy. As for why God punished the people instead of David who sinned, just as in the Book of Job, God does not have to give a reason for why He does things. Lets see what the Wisdom of Solomon has to say about the inhabitants that Moses and Joshua wiped out: Wisdom of Solomon 12:3-10 , "For You hated the inhabitants of Your holy land long ago, because they practiced very hateful works of sorcery and unholy rites. These unmerciful murderers of children who ate sacrificial meals of human flesh and blood, these initiates in the midst of an orgy, these parents and murderers of helpless children -- You willed to destroy by the hands of our fathers, that the land most precious of all to You might be a worthy colony of the servants of God. But even these You spared, since they were men, and sent wasps as forerunners of Your army that You might destroy them little by little. You were not powerless to give the ungodly to the righteous in regular battle. Or to destroy them by terrible wild beasts, or by one severe word; but judging them little by little You gave them a chance for repentance, For You were not unaware that their generation was evil, their vice implanted, and their reasoning would not change forever. The Canaanites were not an innocent people. They were known for human sacrifice and were guilty of many other things, but God gave them many chances to repent. They didn't. So as punishment, God sent Moses and Joshua to destroy them. The women that were taken as wives were not raped and were treated well. They were the lucky ones that escaped that terrible Canaanite society. He ordered an execution, not murder. There are certain evils that follow idolatry, which God has repeatedly warned His people about through prophets which they murdered. This was a righteous act. Idolatry is a deadly cancer. Wisdom of Solomon 14:22-27 On Idolatry: "Futhermore, it is not enough for them to be deceived about the knowledge of God, but they live in great conflict of ignorance, and they call such evils peace. For they either hold child-murdering rites of initiation, or celebrate secret mysteries, or engage in the frantic revelry of special customs. Moreover, they keep neither life nor marriages pure, but one either kills another in ambush, or one causes another grief when he corrupts his marriage. Everything is mixed together: Blood and murder, theft and treachery, depravity, unfaithfulness, tumult, perjury, confusion over what is good, ingratitude, corruption of family, breakup of marriages, disorder, adultery, and debauchery. For the worship of idols is not to be named, is the beginning, cause, and end of every evil. Missing a lot of context here. The women were taken as wives, but none of them were raped. Copy/paste from Gotquestions.org: [The Bible does address the issue of rape. As expected, when the Bible mentions the crime of rape, it is depicted as a gross violation of God’s design for the treatment of the human body (Genesis 34). The Bible condemns rape whenever it is mentioned. For example, there is a particular passage in the laws given to the nation of Israel before entering the Promised Land under Joshua’s leadership. This passage (Deuteronomy 22:13–29) spoke directly against forcing a woman into a encounter against her will, or what we know today as rape. This command was meant to protect women and to protect the nation of Israel from committing sinful actions. Deuteronomy 22:25–27 specifies the punishment the Mosaic Law required for a man who raped a betrothed woman. The man was to be killed by stoning while the woman was considered innocent. Though the Mosaic Law was for the nation of Israel during the time of Moses, the principle is clear that rape is sinful in the eyes of God and, under the Law, led to the most extreme punishment possible—death for the rapist. There are some difficult passages in the Old Testament in relation to this issue. One is Deuteronomy 22:28–29, “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” If the rape victim was not betrothed, then the rapist faced different consequences. We must see Deuteronomy 22:28–29 through the lens of ancient culture. In those days, social convention treated women poorly. They couldn’t own property. They couldn’t get a job to support themselves. If a woman had no father, husband, or son, she had no legal protection. Her options were slavery or prostitution. If an unmarried woman wasn’t a virgin, it was extremely difficult for her to get married. If she wasn’t marriageable, her father didn’t have much use for her. God’s punishment on the rapist of a virgin—a monetary fine and lifelong responsibility—was designed to deter rape by holding the rapist responsible for his actions. He ruined her life; it was his responsibility to support her for the rest of her life. This may not sound fair to modern ears, but we don’t live in the same culture they did. In 2 Samuel 13, Prince Amnon raped his half-sister, Tamar. The horror and shame of being violated yet unmarried made Tamar beg him to marry her (her half-brother!), even after he had rejected her. And her full-brother, Absalom, was so disgusted with the situation that he murdered Amnon. That’s how highly virginity in women was prized back then. Critics of the Bible also point to Numbers 31 (and similar passages) in which the Israelites were allowed to take female captives from nations they conquered. Critics say this is an example of the Bible’s condoning or even promoting rape. However, the passage says nothing about raping the captive women. It is wrong to assume that the captive women were to be raped. The soldiers were commanded to purify themselves and their captives (verse 19). Rape would have violated this command (see Leviticus 15:16–18). The women who were taken captive are never referred to as objects. Did the captive women likely eventually marry amongst the Israelites? Yes. Is there any indication that rape or sex slavery was forced upon the women? Absolutely not.] Copy/paste from Gotquestions.org: [When we look at the command to kill the male Midianite children, there are two perspectives we might take. One is the more understandably temporal. During the timeframe in question, tribal warfare was rampant. It was highly likely that the male Midianite children would grow up and seek revenge for their fathers and grandfathers against Israel. Avenging the death of one’s father is a commonly accepted necessity in every culture and even in popular fiction—it’s what motivates Hamlet in Shakespeare’s classic play and what energizes Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride. Further, the utterly disgusting depravity in which these Midianite boys had been raised is well documented. Regular behaviors among the Midianites included child sacrifice, cult prostitution, and bestiality. The divine prohibition of these acts was codified, and the acts were known to the Israelites (Leviticus 18:21, 23–24). Male inhabitants carrying on the lineage of this culture would have been a perennial problem for Israel. The other perspective we should consider is the divine. Now, we cannot know the mind of God or comprehend the depths of His wisdom (Isaiah 55:8–9). But we can know that, given the depravity of the Midianites, God’s command to kill the Midianite boys might have been an act of divine mercy. In His perfect knowledge—including His knowledge of what would happen in the lives of those young Midianites, had they lived—it’s possible that God brought them to Himself before they had the opportunity of choosing to reject Him. It is highly possible that, had these males grown to maturity, they would have embraced the wanton rebellion and idolatry of their fathers. From God’s perspective, it may have been better for them to die at a young age than to endure a life of depravity and the attending temporal (and eternal) consequences.] This rule only applied to priests as they were the only ones that could offer the bread of the presence of God. From Patheos.com: [Leviticus 21 rules that “no one who has a blemish shall draw near” in the Holy Place at the Temple “to offer the bread [of the Presence] of his God” (17). No one “blind or lame, or one who has a mutilated face or limb too long . . . or hunchback or a dwarf or a man with a defect in his sight or an itching disease or scabs or crushed testicles” (18-21). Could this be the same God who inspires compassion and hesed love elsewhere in Leviticus and Torah? William Herlands says Yes, this is the same God, and even this rule shows his compassion. The clue, he says, is the next chapter of Leviticus, where ancient Jews were told not to bring as offerings animals that were “blind or disabled or mutilated or having a discharge or itch” (22.22). The reason for the rule about the animals was the human tendency to offer to God what we really don’t want anyway. We would rather give away what is worth less or nothing than what is valuable to us. So too we would rather take those who are disabled or unpleasant to look at and hide them away somewhere–like behind the curtains at the Temple where they are rarely or never seen. The point of this rule about human priests was to force society to find places for the disabled and unseemly in their midst. Not to shut them away out of sight. Presumably, this was about priests who were disabled and unpleasant to look at, for the text about human beings says, “He [the defective one] may eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy and holy things . . .” (21.22). Only priests could eat this showbread. The point here was to let young men who were disabled in one of these ways become priests in the towns where they would teach Torah, as rabbis do in synagogues today. But they were not to serve in the Temple, where they would be hidden away forever. So the rule is actually compassionate. It protected those young spiritual men who wanted to serve but had a physical defect. On the way at a lodging place, Yahweh met Moses and wanted to kill him. Then Zipporah took a flint, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet; and she said, “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me.” So he let him alone. Then she said, “You are a bridegroom of blood,” because of the circumcision. Exodus 4:24-26 God was angry at Moses because he neglected to circumcise his son. From Benson's commentary: [The cause seems to have been Moses’s neglecting to circumcise his son; which, perhaps, was the effect of his being unequally yoked with a Midianite, who was too indulgent of her child, and Moses so of her. Now God was offended with him for this neglect of duty, not only because Moses knew that no child could be admitted a member of the Israelitish community without circumcision, nor be entitled to the blessings of God’s covenant with Abraham’s seed, but also, because Moses’s example was of great consequence; for who would have regarded the law if the lawgiver himself had neglected it? As Moses was raised up for an extraordinary service, it was peculiarly proper that he should set an example of exact obedience in his own conduct. Hence he was thus sharply rebuked] Er got killed because he did something to deserve it. The text said that he was wicked in God's sight. It was Onan's duty to go into his sister-in-law and raise up children, but the reason he pulled out was because he knew the kids wouldn't be his. Selfish. He didn't have a problem having sex with her, but he didn't want to get her pregnant because the kids wouldn't be his. This was evil in God's sight so He killed him. It is what it is, God wasn't wrong. There was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and childless. Yahweh’s angel appeared to the woman, and said to her, “See now, you are barren and childless; but you shall conceive and bear a son. Now therefore please beware and drink no wine nor strong drink, and don’t eat any unclean thing; for, behold, you shall conceive and give birth to a son. No razor shall come on his head, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb. He shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.” Judges 13:2-5 Its important to understand that God intended Samson to deliver His people from the Philistines. That's why it says in Judges 14:4 that God was looking for an occasion against the Philistines. God may have purposed Samson to free Israel from the Philistines, but Samson still needed to get properly motivated. It must also be recalled that the Philistines threaten Samson's wife to get the riddles answer from Samson. The 30 men of Ashkelon were Philistines who had been oppressing Israel, Samson didn't target innocent people.
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Etu Malku
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Post by Etu Malku on Mar 28, 2020 23:00:16 GMT
Etu Malku , History is an interpretation of data and that interpretation can sometimes be wrong. Have you ever considered that the history books you've been reading may have a little fiction mixed into to them? Historians are not always reliable founts of truth. I read many history books and I always am cognizant of the author's biases and opinions that color them. Ea of the Babylonians, Yahu of the Aramaeans, and Yah of the Egyptians were all based on the Truth of Yahweh as a counterfiet is based on the genuine that it mimics. I acknowledge every single piece of scripture that you presented, though your presentations don't not present scripture in proper context. The Bible is written in a high-context language: "The terms of high-context language and low-context language refer to a culture's tendency to use high-context messages instead of low-context messages during normal communications. In a high-context language the people leave things unsaid which allows the culture to explain the words unspoken." Certain things in scripture are left unsaid, so as for those 42 kids that were mauled by bears, how do you know they weren't a dangerous gang of hoodlums that were a threat to the Prophet? How do you know that Lot's wife didn't know that she wasn't suppose to look back? These things have to be considered when reading a work from a high-context culture. What makes you think they were all innocent? Some may have been decent people with others indecent. Even if they were all innocent, God is the origin and giver of life and can take back what He has given at anytime. Because of Adam's sin all men are appointed to die once and no man dies except when God permits. The point is, all our days are literally numbered and God has set the time for when we die. For some that's shorter than others. As for why, that's something only God knows. As for why God was angry at David's census, that's because man only has the right to count what belongs to him. The people of Israel belonged to God and not David, only God could order a census. David acknowledges his own sin (2 Sam 24:10) and God gives him the choice of three punishments. David chose three days of plague as the other punishments would leave him depending on the mercy of men. In 2 Sam 24:16 God was grieved because of the things that were happening to His people so He calls off the punishment. Even in His rebuke God still shows His love and mercy. As for why God punished the people instead of David who sinned, just as in the Book of Job, God does not have to give a reason for why He does things. Lets see what the Wisdom of Solomon has to say about the inhabitants that Moses and Joshua wiped out: Wisdom of Solomon 12:3-10 , "For You hated the inhabitants of Your holy land long ago, because they practiced very hateful works of sorcery and unholy rites. These unmerciful murderers of children who ate sacrificial meals of human flesh and blood, these initiates in the midst of an orgy, these parents and murderers of helpless children -- You willed to destroy by the hands of our fathers, that the land most precious of all to You might be a worthy colony of the servants of God. But even these You spared, since they were men, and sent wasps as forerunners of Your army that You might destroy them little by little. You were not powerless to give the ungodly to the righteous in regular battle. Or to destroy them by terrible wild beasts, or by one severe word; but judging them little by little You gave them a chance for repentance, For You were not unaware that their generation was evil, their vice implanted, and their reasoning would not change forever. The Canaanites were not an innocent people. They were known for human sacrifice and were guilty of many other things, but God gave them many chances to repent. They didn't. So as punishment, God sent Moses and Joshua to destroy them. The women that were taken as wives were not raped and were treated well. They were the lucky ones that escaped that terrible Canaanite society. He ordered an execution, not murder. There are certain evils that follow idolatry, which God has repeatedly warned His people about through prophets which they murdered. This was a righteous act. Idolatry is a deadly cancer. Wisdom of Solomon 14:22-27 On Idolatry: "Futhermore, it is not enough for them to be deceived about the knowledge of God, but they live in great conflict of ignorance, and they call such evils peace. For they either hold child-murdering rites of initiation, or celebrate secret mysteries, or engage in the frantic revelry of special customs. Moreover, they keep neither life nor marriages pure, but one either kills another in ambush, or one causes another grief when he corrupts his marriage. Everything is mixed together: Blood and murder, theft and treachery, depravity, unfaithfulness, tumult, perjury, confusion over what is good, ingratitude, corruption of family, breakup of marriages, disorder, adultery, and debauchery. For the worship of idols is not to be named, is the beginning, cause, and end of every evil. Missing a lot of context here. The women were taken as wives, but none of them were raped. Copy/paste from Gotquestions.org: [The Bible does address the issue of rape. As expected, when the Bible mentions the crime of rape, it is depicted as a gross violation of God’s design for the treatment of the human body (Genesis 34). The Bible condemns rape whenever it is mentioned. For example, there is a particular passage in the laws given to the nation of Israel before entering the Promised Land under Joshua’s leadership. This passage (Deuteronomy 22:13–29) spoke directly against forcing a woman into a encounter against her will, or what we know today as rape. This command was meant to protect women and to protect the nation of Israel from committing sinful actions. Deuteronomy 22:25–27 specifies the punishment the Mosaic Law required for a man who raped a betrothed woman. The man was to be killed by stoning while the woman was considered innocent. Though the Mosaic Law was for the nation of Israel during the time of Moses, the principle is clear that rape is sinful in the eyes of God and, under the Law, led to the most extreme punishment possible—death for the rapist. There are some difficult passages in the Old Testament in relation to this issue. One is Deuteronomy 22:28–29, “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” If the rape victim was not betrothed, then the rapist faced different consequences. We must see Deuteronomy 22:28–29 through the lens of ancient culture. In those days, social convention treated women poorly. They couldn’t own property. They couldn’t get a job to support themselves. If a woman had no father, husband, or son, she had no legal protection. Her options were slavery or prostitution. If an unmarried woman wasn’t a virgin, it was extremely difficult for her to get married. If she wasn’t marriageable, her father didn’t have much use for her. God’s punishment on the rapist of a virgin—a monetary fine and lifelong responsibility—was designed to deter rape by holding the rapist responsible for his actions. He ruined her life; it was his responsibility to support her for the rest of her life. This may not sound fair to modern ears, but we don’t live in the same culture they did. In 2 Samuel 13, Prince Amnon raped his half-sister, Tamar. The horror and shame of being violated yet unmarried made Tamar beg him to marry her (her half-brother!), even after he had rejected her. And her full-brother, Absalom, was so disgusted with the situation that he murdered Amnon. That’s how highly virginity in women was prized back then. Critics of the Bible also point to Numbers 31 (and similar passages) in which the Israelites were allowed to take female captives from nations they conquered. Critics say this is an example of the Bible’s condoning or even promoting rape. However, the passage says nothing about raping the captive women. It is wrong to assume that the captive women were to be raped. The soldiers were commanded to purify themselves and their captives (verse 19). Rape would have violated this command (see Leviticus 15:16–18). The women who were taken captive are never referred to as objects. Did the captive women likely eventually marry amongst the Israelites? Yes. Is there any indication that rape or sex slavery was forced upon the women? Absolutely not.] Copy/paste from Gotquestions.org: [When we look at the command to kill the male Midianite children, there are two perspectives we might take. One is the more understandably temporal. During the timeframe in question, tribal warfare was rampant. It was highly likely that the male Midianite children would grow up and seek revenge for their fathers and grandfathers against Israel. Avenging the death of one’s father is a commonly accepted necessity in every culture and even in popular fiction—it’s what motivates Hamlet in Shakespeare’s classic play and what energizes Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride. Further, the utterly disgusting depravity in which these Midianite boys had been raised is well documented. Regular behaviors among the Midianites included child sacrifice, cult prostitution, and bestiality. The divine prohibition of these acts was codified, and the acts were known to the Israelites (Leviticus 18:21, 23–24). Male inhabitants carrying on the lineage of this culture would have been a perennial problem for Israel. The other perspective we should consider is the divine. Now, we cannot know the mind of God or comprehend the depths of His wisdom (Isaiah 55:8–9). But we can know that, given the depravity of the Midianites, God’s command to kill the Midianite boys might have been an act of divine mercy. In His perfect knowledge—including His knowledge of what would happen in the lives of those young Midianites, had they lived—it’s possible that God brought them to Himself before they had the opportunity of choosing to reject Him. It is highly possible that, had these males grown to maturity, they would have embraced the wanton rebellion and idolatry of their fathers. From God’s perspective, it may have been better for them to die at a young age than to endure a life of depravity and the attending temporal (and eternal) consequences.] This rule only applied to priests as they were the only ones that could offer the bread of the presence of God. From Patheos.com: [Leviticus 21 rules that “no one who has a blemish shall draw near” in the Holy Place at the Temple “to offer the bread [of the Presence] of his God” (17). No one “blind or lame, or one who has a mutilated face or limb too long . . . or hunchback or a dwarf or a man with a defect in his sight or an itching disease or scabs or crushed testicles” (18-21). Could this be the same God who inspires compassion and hesed love elsewhere in Leviticus and Torah? William Herlands says Yes, this is the same God, and even this rule shows his compassion. The clue, he says, is the next chapter of Leviticus, where ancient Jews were told not to bring as offerings animals that were “blind or disabled or mutilated or having a discharge or itch” (22.22). The reason for the rule about the animals was the human tendency to offer to God what we really don’t want anyway. We would rather give away what is worth less or nothing than what is valuable to us. So too we would rather take those who are disabled or unpleasant to look at and hide them away somewhere–like behind the curtains at the Temple where they are rarely or never seen. The point of this rule about human priests was to force society to find places for the disabled and unseemly in their midst. Not to shut them away out of sight. Presumably, this was about priests who were disabled and unpleasant to look at, for the text about human beings says, “He [the defective one] may eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy and holy things . . .” (21.22). Only priests could eat this showbread. The point here was to let young men who were disabled in one of these ways become priests in the towns where they would teach Torah, as rabbis do in synagogues today. But they were not to serve in the Temple, where they would be hidden away forever. So the rule is actually compassionate. It protected those young spiritual men who wanted to serve but had a physical defect. On the way at a lodging place, Yahweh met Moses and wanted to kill him. Then Zipporah took a flint, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet; and she said, “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me.” So he let him alone. Then she said, “You are a bridegroom of blood,” because of the circumcision. Exodus 4:24-26 God was angry at Moses because he neglected to circumcise his son. From Benson's commentary: [The cause seems to have been Moses’s neglecting to circumcise his son; which, perhaps, was the effect of his being unequally yoked with a Midianite, who was too indulgent of her child, and Moses so of her. Now God was offended with him for this neglect of duty, not only because Moses knew that no child could be admitted a member of the Israelitish community without circumcision, nor be entitled to the blessings of God’s covenant with Abraham’s seed, but also, because Moses’s example was of great consequence; for who would have regarded the law if the lawgiver himself had neglected it? As Moses was raised up for an extraordinary service, it was peculiarly proper that he should set an example of exact obedience in his own conduct. Hence he was thus sharply rebuked] Er got killed because he did something to deserve it. The text said that he was wicked in God's sight. It was Onan's duty to go into his sister-in-law and raise up children, but the reason he pulled out was because he knew the kids wouldn't be his. Selfish. He didn't have a problem having sex with her, but he didn't want to get her pregnant because the kids wouldn't be his. This was evil in God's sight so He killed him. It is what it is, God wasn't wrong. There was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and childless. Yahweh’s angel appeared to the woman, and said to her, “See now, you are barren and childless; but you shall conceive and bear a son. Now therefore please beware and drink no wine nor strong drink, and don’t eat any unclean thing; for, behold, you shall conceive and give birth to a son. No razor shall come on his head, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb. He shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.” Judges 13:2-5 Its important to understand that God intended Samson to deliver His people from the Philistines. That's why it says in Judges 14:4 that God was looking for an occasion against the Philistines. God may have purposed Samson to free Israel from the Philistines, but Samson still needed to get properly motivated. It must also be recalled that the Philistines threaten Samson's wife to get the riddles answer from Samson. The 30 men of Ashkelon were Philistines who had been oppressing Israel, Samson didn't target innocent people. You say pōtātō, I say pōtätō . . .
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KGrim
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Post by KGrim on Mar 28, 2020 23:06:16 GMT
Etu Malku , I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
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