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Post by joustos on Apr 15, 2019 19:05:49 GMT
One sign of Islamic supremacy over the white and Christian world is the burning of Notre Dame in Paris. Arson is also the weapon Blacks used in Furgson (U.S.A.) and elsewhere. The enemy is already within, for it was invited and welcomed by the Pope and other traitors of the white race. "Amen" says the demented chorus.
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Post by Sonny on Apr 18, 2019 6:05:19 GMT
Jesus and the apostles didn't have graven images because it was wrong. Many churches are wrong. Revelations even riduculed many of the churches for doing wrong. There's a difference with showing dedication to an image and using it as art. Any art book is fine where you can color it and stuff. But when you set special meaning to it and show dedication it's a sin. Daniel in the bible was very careful not to show any dedication to any image and it pleased God. Can you quote that passage from Revelations? And is a picture of Christ a graven image? Is a Crucifix / cross, idolatry? I cannot think of any denomination of Christianity that does't use the cross as as a symbol and as imagery. From Churches to cemeteries, crosses as a symbol of and for Christ, are abundant.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 18, 2019 6:16:44 GMT
Jesus and the apostles didn't have graven images because it was wrong. Many churches are wrong. Revelations even riduculed many of the churches for doing wrong. There's a difference with showing dedication to an image and using it as art. Any art book is fine where you can color it and stuff. But when you set special meaning to it and show dedication it's a sin. Daniel in the bible was very careful not to show any dedication to any image and it pleased God. Can you quote that passage from Revelations? And is a picture of Christ a graven image? Is a Crucifix / cross, idolatry? God ridiculed the church of Ephesus and told it to repent and if they didn't repent then it will remove that church from it's place. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; Revelation:2:1 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Revelation:2:5 God ridiculed the church of Pergamos because of idols and many other things. And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; Revelation:2:12 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Revelation:2:14 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Revelation:2:16 Then God ridiculed the church of Thyatira for idols and stuff too. And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; Revelation:2:18 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Revelation:2:20 And Paul even mentions of churches in Asia who have turned away from scripture. This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. 2 Timothy:1:15 If you know a bit of history Asia today is Constantinople area. So...if many churched were turned away and ridiculed back then for idolatry and many other things...I suggest not to follow suit with images. Jesus and His disciples didn't have them. They came when churches started falling away.
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Post by Etu Malku on Apr 18, 2019 9:56:07 GMT
Did Jesus and the apostles teach that? How can Christian imagery and symbolism be in error or a sin, if the early Church did not find that practice to be wrong? The purpose of these symbols and art is to tell a story and to glory to God, to glorify Christ. Jesus and the apostles didn't have graven images because it was wrong. It's not 'wrong', it may be un-Christian, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 18, 2019 18:47:00 GMT
Jesus and the apostles didn't have graven images because it was wrong. It's not 'wrong', it may be un-Christian, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Wrong in terms of following Christianity/God because bible says no to that. But otherwise you have the free well to have any graven image and kiss it and talk to it and stuff. Seems a bit odd but people even marry objects but eh not my problem
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 19, 2019 0:38:50 GMT
Practicing idol worshipping isn't Christianity though. Like Jehovah Witnesses believe in many gods and shouldn't be called Christianity because Christianity is monotheistic. Too many relgions get put into Christianity. It sucks and needs to be changed. These aren't idols?
I'd say they are, yes. But in my opinion, based on scripture, Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren't Christian, they have a number of pagan influences ingrained in their doctrine. These statues could be seen as just art, but many of those in Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy have shrines and churches dedicated to saints and Mary in where they pray at the altar which is positioned at the back of the church usually below statues of saints, Mary, and/or a cross or Jesus on the cross. Many will make shrines in their homes dedicated to Mary or saints and pray in front of them. And, this is off topic, but idk if anyone noticed that in the pic with the statue of Jesus on the cross you shared, that statue has six toes on each foot... I thought that was very, very odd.
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 19, 2019 1:19:42 GMT
DKT, "But in my opinion, based on scripture, Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren't Christian..."
Who do you think chose the books of the Bible around year 400? Was it Baptists or Lutherans or Presbyterians or any variety of 'scripture only' Protestants? Nope.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 19, 2019 1:48:21 GMT
DKT, "But in my opinion, based on scripture, Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren't Christian..." Who do you think chose the books of the Bible around year 400? Was it Baptists or Lutherans or Presbyterians or any variety of 'scripture only' Protestants? Nope. They were chosen by God. So, false to all your choices. And gospels were written when Jesus spoke as we can see in the gospel of John where Jesus told John what to write. Basically, as scripture says it was inspired by God and told to some men what to write...it was essentially written by God because it was God's Word which is also why scripture is called God's Word not men's word or Christian's word.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 19, 2019 1:58:10 GMT
DKT, "But in my opinion, based on scripture, Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren't Christian..." Who do you think chose the books of the Bible around year 400? Was it Baptists or Lutherans or Presbyterians or any variety of 'scripture only' Protestants? Nope. The current Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church do not reflect early Christianity. Both have undergone huge changes since the inspired scripture was chosen to make up the Bible.
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Post by Etu Malku on Apr 19, 2019 13:38:56 GMT
I'd say they are, yes. But in my opinion, based on scripture, Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren't Christian, they have a number of pagan influences ingrained in their doctrine. These statues could be seen as just art, but many of those in Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy have shrines and churches dedicated to saints and Mary in where they pray at the altar which is positioned at the back of the church usually below statues of saints, Mary, and/or a cross or Jesus on the cross. Many will make shrines in their homes dedicated to Mary or saints and pray in front of them. And, this is off topic, but idk if anyone noticed that in the pic with the statue of Jesus on the cross you shared, that statue has six toes on each foot... I thought that was very, very odd. Being that Jesus is more than likely a composite of earlier deities and whatnot, the polydactyl trait does not seem that absurd. news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/chaco-canyon-pueblo-bonito-social-implications-polydactyly-extra-toes/
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Post by Ace on Apr 19, 2019 21:21:12 GMT
One sign of Islamic supremacy over the white and Christian world is the burning of Notre Dame in Paris. Arson is also the weapon Blacks used in Furgson (U.S.A.) and elsewhere. The enemy is already within, for it was invited and welcomed by the Pope and other traitors of the white race. "Amen" says the demented chorus. You speak of the Blacks and the Muslims as though they are centralized movements are something...
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 20, 2019 2:33:08 GMT
Who do you think chose the books of the Bible around year 400? Was it Baptists or Lutherans or Presbyterians or any variety of 'scripture only' Protestants? Nope. They were chosen by God. So, false to all your choices. And gospels were written when Jesus spoke as we can see in the gospel of John where Jesus told John what to write. Basically, as scripture says it was inspired by God and told to some men what to write...it was essentially written by God because it was God's Word which is also why scripture is called God's Word not men's word or Christian's word. And who were the men chosen by God to inspire? For the OT & NT mostly Jews. Did God inspire any Protestants with NT scripture that could be added to the Bible since the time of Jesus - why not?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2019 3:05:46 GMT
They were chosen by God. So, false to all your choices. And gospels were written when Jesus spoke as we can see in the gospel of John where Jesus told John what to write. Basically, as scripture says it was inspired by God and told to some men what to write...it was essentially written by God because it was God's Word which is also why scripture is called God's Word not men's word or Christian's word. And who were the men chosen by God to inspire? For the OT & NT mostly Jews. Did God inspire any Protestants with NT scripture that could be added to the Bible since the time of Jesus - why not? No one cares about Protestants in this case. God only used those willing and trustworthy enough to write what He wanted them to write. Whoever met these standards were qualified and He used them.
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Post by Sonny on Apr 20, 2019 18:41:05 GMT
God ridiculed the church of Ephesus and told it to repent and if they didn't repent then it will remove that church from it's place. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; Revelation:2:1 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Revelation:2:5 Unless I'm missing something here, God did not ridicule the Church of Ephesus because of any images or idolatry, but because they no longer had the same passion and were not motivated by love: "But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first." God criticized the Church in Pergamum because some among them held to the teachings of Balaam and the heresy of Nicolaitans: "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice immorality. 15 So also you have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans." 'The “teaching of Balaam” is explained in the context, as Christians were eating food that had been sacrificed to idols (religious compromise) and committing immorality (moral compromise). The original Balaam’s deceitful work is described in Numbers 25:1-3 and Numbers 31:15-16. The Nicolaitans are mentioned only in this letter and in the letter to the Ephesian church (Revelation 2:6). They were likely a group similar to those who held the teachings of Balaam, though the exact nature of their doctrine and practice is unknown.' The Church in Thyatira was criticized because of their toleration of a false prophetess called (metaphorically or perhaps that was her real name) Jezebel who was leading them to sin and the eating of food that had been sacrificed to pagan idols: "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her immorality."
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2019 19:10:45 GMT
God ridiculed the church of Ephesus and told it to repent and if they didn't repent then it will remove that church from it's place. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; Revelation:2:1 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Revelation:2:5 Unless I'm missing something here, God did not ridicule the Church of Ephesus because of any images or idolatry, but because they no longer had the same passion and were not motivated by love: "But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first." God criticized the Church in Pergamum because some among them held to the teachings of Balaam and the heresy of Nicolaitans: "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might jeat food sacrificed to idols and practice immorality. 15 So also you have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans." Most churches were ridiculed because of idols and other ones for other things. People think all churches were good but they weren't. God told many to repent. And idolatry was one biggest issue. And it's still in churches today. It was always a problem to God. God will always have churches to ridicule and warn them to repent if they want to be saved
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Post by Sonny on Apr 20, 2019 19:16:02 GMT
^I updated my answer at the same time that you responded. Elizabeth said Yes, but not because of any use of imagery of Christ or the symbolism of the cross. That is not idolatry, and that is what I'm trying to get across. Having a crucifix as a necklace or icons and imagery of Christ and the apostles is not idolatry, and is not a sin.
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