Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 6, 2019 3:18:16 GMT
For those not familiar with my views on homosexuality, I will make them very clear and why I hold them. Homosexuality is an abomination. It is an act that used to be self evidently held to be so disgusting, so distasteful, so perverse that it was considered immoral. Now mainly because many people in Hollywood held this perversion and worked through movies, television, and their influence on liberals to normalize their disgusting behavior it is no longer considered immoral by the sheep that make up American society it must be explained clearly WHY exactly it is immoral so in this thread I intend to do so.
My argument for why homosexuality is immoral rests on the fact that there are things so disgusting, so distasteful, and so perverse that they are immoral though they do not directly and immediately hurt anyone except the people partaking in said thing.
Now many people's moral compass rests on the assumption that "if it's not hurting anybody it's not wrong." Well, those people are hypocrites because I can easily name something right now that hurts nobody but is obviously wrong. That thing is bestiality. Having sex with an animal... say your dog. Now you may object and say, "the dog is getting hurt here!" And to that, I answer, "what if the dog gives consent?" And they obviously do all the time. Anyone who spends time with an unneutered or unspayed dog knows that those animals want to get it on with everyone and everything. They are always trying to hump you and they at that moment are very willing to screw you. Now someone here might say, "a dog is like a child it doesn't have the mental capacity to consent to sex." This argument is nonsense because unless you are insane you believe that dogs absolutely do have the capacity to consent to have sex with each other. If they have the right to consent to have sex with each other and they want to have sex with you a human who are you to say its wrong for the human to give his consent as well and fulfill that lecherous dog's lust?
Let's go a step further. Say a scientist found a way to genetically alter dogs to where they are as smart as human beings. If those dogs, every bit as smart and sentient as human beings say, "I want a human for a lover" and a human consents, unless you are insane I believe fully that you will think that this is wrong. Why would you think these indiscretions in these scenarios are wrong? Because it is so distasteful, so perverse, so wrong, that it is immoral.
There are many deviancies that fit the category of, "well, they aren't hurting anybody." Incest for example. If a man has a vasectomy where he cannot have children and then marries his sister and has sex with her most people would say that's wrong, disgusting, and abominable and treat someone that did this very badly (I don't think they should be treated badly no matter how immoral it is.) Homosexuality used to be one of these things until Hollywood gays got a hold of the left. And if a large number of bestialphils, incest enthusiasts, polygamous people,(and I am even convinced so stupid and easily manipulated is the modern populace) pedophiles were running Hollywood, making movies and TV shows Will and Grace style glorifying it, polluting politics with their dirty money, and molding your imbecilic minds in this fashion you would defend these with as much vigor and indignation as you do homosexuality. Your thoughts are not your own, your culture and its corruption control you.
The proper role of sex is between married males and females of the same species and unrelated; anything other than this is an unnatural abomination.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 6, 2019 4:50:31 GMT
My view: www.mikraite.org/Homosexuality-tp1901.htmlBestiality has the problem that one may introduce new sexually transmitted diseases to humans. Otherwise I wouldn't really care. Personally I would much rather see those people responsible for the pointless road construction on my local roads lined up and shot than worry about these meaningless issues.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 6, 2019 5:26:08 GMT
My view: www.mikraite.org/Homosexuality-tp1901.htmlBestiality has the problem that one may introduce new sexually transmitted diseases to humans. Otherwise I wouldn't really care. Personally I would much rather see those people responsible for the pointless road construction on my local roads lined up and shot than worry about these meaningless issues. Good point about bestiality and STDs but I don't think that that is why that particular thing is considered morally wrong. If we eliminated all STDs from animals I still think most people would think bestiality is wrong for the reasons I mentioned. I'm actually surprised though; your stance on homosexuality and porking animals are surprisingly liberal for someone one who talks often about the degeneracy of modern society and wants to kill everyone except Muslims and Anabaptists. You are completely tolerant of deviancy but not... road construction.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 6, 2019 7:00:18 GMT
Good point about bestiality and STDs but I don't think that that is why that particular thing is considered morally wrong. If we eliminated all STDs from animals I still think most people would think bestiality is wrong for the reasons I mentioned. I'm actually surprised though; your stance on homosexuality and porking animals are surprisingly liberal for someone one who talks often about the degeneracy of modern society and wants to kill everyone except Muslims and Anabaptists. You are completely tolerant of deviancy but not... road construction. I am a practical person and if something has no practical effect then I don't care about it. I chose road construction as a practical example. But what I care most about is dysgenics. Nothing is as evil and has a more practical negative impact than dysgenics. Feminism, promiscuity, and adultery are dysgenic, so I hate them. Homosexuality and bestiality are not, so I don't care.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 6, 2019 7:11:40 GMT
HS is a medical and psychological disaster. Evolution doesn't make mistakes. People, who think that they are thinking, makes mistakes all the time.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 6, 2019 7:18:37 GMT
Good point about bestiality and STDs but I don't think that that is why that particular thing is considered morally wrong. If we eliminated all STDs from animals I still think most people would think bestiality is wrong for the reasons I mentioned. I'm actually surprised though; your stance on homosexuality and porking animals are surprisingly liberal for someone one who talks often about the degeneracy of modern society and wants to kill everyone except Muslims and Anabaptists. You are completely tolerant of deviancy but not... road construction. I am a practical person and if something has no practical effect then I don't care about it. I chose road construction as a practical example. But what I care most about is dysgenics. Nothing is as evil and has a more practical negative impact than dysgenics. Feminism, promiscuity, and adultery are dysgenic, so I hate them. Homosexuality and bestiality are not, so I don't care. Makes sense. I just don't want to live in a world where it's normal to screw dogs.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 6, 2019 7:48:07 GMT
I just don't want to live in a world where it's normal to screw dogs. I think that in a healthy society, screwing dogs would not be normal even if not illegal. But today, degenerate America is basically a gay disco.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 6, 2019 8:08:11 GMT
I just don't want to live in a world where it's normal to screw dogs. I think that in a healthy society, screwing dogs would not be normal even if not illegal. But today, degenerate America is basically a gay disco. Well, I didn't mean to imply that I'd necessarily illegalize homosexuality, incest, or even bestiality, just that these things are morally wrong and shouldn't be dignified with the hallowed institution of marriage and should probably be stigmatized by society at large. Also, I'm a states rights Jeffersonian so I believe that if Californians want to marry their dogs as I am sure they are inclined to do then fine, let them. Just don't bring that garbage to my state of South Carolina. The United States is not supposed to be a unitary nation-state with an all-powerful federal government, it was founded by 13 different colonies settled by different cultural groups with their own values and identity and they only gave some of their sovereignty up to the federal government because on their own they would've been easy pickings for conquest by the empires of Britain, France, and Spain. That federal government, as time went on, kept taking and taking and taking from the sovereignty of the states until we're left with this shiteshow we call a government. I have nothing in common with someone from Vermont or California or even Utah, I have no loyalty to them as my fellow countrymen and would very much like for them to stay out of my states' business and keep to their own.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 6, 2019 8:29:29 GMT
Well, I didn't mean to imply that I'd necessarily illegalize homosexuality, incest, or even bestiality, just that these things are morally wrong and shouldn't be dignified with the hallowed institution of marriage and should probably be stigmatized by society at large. Also, I'm a states rights Jeffersonian so I believe that if Californians want to marry their dogs as I am sure they are inclined to do then fine, let them. Just don't bring that garbage to my state of South Carolina. The United States is not supposed to be a unitary nation-state with an all-powerful federal government, it was founded by 13 different colonies settled by different cultural groups with their own values and identity and they only gave some of their sovereignty up to the federal government because on their own they would've been easy pickings for conquest by the empires of Britain, France, and Spain. That federal government, as time went on, kept taking and taking and taking from the sovereignty of the states until we're left with this shiteshow we call a government. I have nothing in common with someone from Vermont or California or even Utah, I have no loyalty to them as my fellow countrymen and would very much like for them to stay out of my states' business and keep to their own. The 1st and 14th amendments are used to prevent states from violating free speech. I would argue that marriage has historically been the domain of religion and so I would use the 1st and 14th amendments to prevent states from regulating marriage based on the idea that states should not regulate religion. Then marriage becomes a private contract, enforced as a generic contract by the state but sanctified by whatever religion one belongs to. I think it is terrible mistake to consider marriage as a civic institution instead of a religious institution.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 6, 2019 15:51:35 GMT
It is and always will be an abomination. Another cleasing would be nice like the one God did in Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 7, 2019 9:03:08 GMT
It is and always will be an abomination. Another cleasing would be nice like the one God did in Sodom and Gomorrah. Do you wish death on homosexuals? I don't. I wish for them to change their ways and find God. God raining fire on gays is not something a Christian should wish for.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 7, 2019 14:22:12 GMT
It is and always will be an abomination. Another cleasing would be nice like the one God did in Sodom and Gomorrah. Do you wish death on homosexuals? I don't. I wish for them to change their ways and find God. God raining fire on gays is not something a Christian should wish for. If only they would repent otherwise God can do His righteous judgement. I'm in support of God's actions even the one He did in Sodom and Gomorrah. So when God says it's time then He can pour out His wrath. It will happen. And Christians must support God's plans.
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Post by anaxagoras on Apr 7, 2019 16:20:48 GMT
You're from the south, the whole southern region is an abomination. According to recent polls (2018) southern states reach dead last in education: Tennessee. Total score: 35.52. Nevada. Total score: 32.84. ... Kentucky. Total score: 31.80. Alabama. Total score: 31.33. Arkansas. Total score: 27.18. Louisiana. Total score: 22.96. West Virginia. Total score: 21.71. Mississippi. Total score: 21.06. Source:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-2018.html Didn't you say you was from Alabama or Virginia? Bible belt is pro-life, but has no qualms about the death penalty, rather "kill them and let God sort em out" rather than forgive them: "Capital punishment is most widely accepted, defended and used in our nation’s Bible Belt, the stronghold of conservative Christian Evangelicalism that extends across the Southeast and South Central United States, from Texas and Oklahoma (where the majority of executions take place), through most of America’s southeast. Altogether, it includes parts of about 16 states, though definitions vary." Source: relevantmagazine.com/culture/politics-culture/the-hypocrisy-of-bible-belt-executions/ The Bible belt indulges in more online porn than any other less religious state in the U.S.: "A new study has found that US states with a higher degree of religiosity are more likely to be searching for sex on the web. The study was compiled by researchers at Brock University in Ontario, Canada, and based on two years of data from Google Trends across US states. Researchers found that states identified as religiously conservative and politically conservative were indulging in more online pornography than other more liberal states. Source:https://www.christiantoday.com/article/americas-bible-belt-states-indulge-in-more-online-porn-than-other-less-religious-states/42045.htm So with all that being said it is no wonder that the exchange you and I had has gotten me to come to the realization that I do not respect you, not even as a human being, but it also doesn't surprise me that you'll make a thread with an illogical position and no plausible argument as to why you dislike homosexuals. One of the things that are remiss among Bible thumpers is the example of Jesus. As we see in Jesus' example he hung around with those that were less fortunate and socially awkward and the chastised. Jesus scolded others who judged openly as he scolded the crowd who came after the so-called prostitute. I'm sure if Jesus were here undetected, you'd chastise him perhaps calling him all types of slurs. You my friend, worship in a Caucasian's bastardize version of Christianity. I wish the whole south would secede from the United States so we can watch you all become your own backwards third world country. Cause us Californians are tired of carrying all southern 16 states.
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Post by anaxagoras on Apr 7, 2019 16:27:32 GMT
It is and always will be an abomination. Another cleasing would be nice like the one God did in Sodom and Gomorrah.Starting with the intolerable people of the above like mind. Humanity never cease to amaze me not the least, but I'm not surprised coming from a person who said in another thread to the likes of: "If you don't want me to be racist towards you don't be racist towards me." The intolerance here is astounding.
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Post by anaxagoras on Apr 7, 2019 16:32:25 GMT
May the Creator of all life help you all and your ignorance. Why can't you people (and I say you people because many of you that believe such backwards thought are a different brand of humanity) just allow God to be God, and you be you. What brings people to God is not you wagging your finger at them and warning them about fire and hell, what brings people to God is the goodness you demonstrate through non-biased, and unprejudiced good works and deeds. It's sad that God has given a lot of you the gift of the immortal consciousness from divine providence and you ruin it with this bullshit. I'm not concerned about the next man's soul because I have to worry about my own soul. Who am I to talk about judgment of another human being if I'm not living a perfect example of what I preach. So far, in this thread all this God talk you guys are discussing not one person here is demonstrating the compassionate teachings of Jesus, son of Mary. Not one person here is demonstrating God's compassion and love to humankind and yet, you all are here wagging your fingers and wishing death on a people.
You're not Christians you all worship a sanitized version of it.
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