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Post by Lone Wanderer on Mar 12, 2019 17:37:34 GMT
A point refuted a thousand times, commonly abbreviated as PRATT, and called a canard outside of this website, refers to a point or argument that has literally been refuted so many times that it is not worth bothering with. Religious exampleReligion is required in order for a person to be moral/There is no morality without GodIf this were anywhere near true, the world would be in chaos as a fairly sizable 16% of the world's population has no religion. That's nearly 1 in 6 people who would happily murder the other 5, including you because they lacked any form of morality — this just doesn't stack up to observed evidence. Secular humanism has established several non-religious moral codes, and biologists and psychologists have tracked various evolutionary pathways for why we act in (what we define as) a moral manner. Perhaps most importantly, statistical analysis (rates of murder, adultery, rape, theft, etc.) shows that non-religious folks behave no less morally than those who have found religion (or had it hammered into them since childhood). rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 13, 2019 22:40:53 GMT
And religious people wonder why atheists have problems with them. Prior to reading this topic I had no issues but now I see I should have serious ones. I agree with you. Atheists don't have them, because they are not believers who came up with the word, and being insured that there's a thing so called "morality", and they started to bear with it like wise ones.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Mar 13, 2019 23:43:33 GMT
A point refuted a thousand times, commonly abbreviated as PRATT, and called a canard outside of this website, refers to a point or argument that has literally been refuted so many times that it is not worth bothering with. Religious exampleReligion is required in order for a person to be moral/There is no morality without GodIf this were anywhere near true, the world would be in chaos as a fairly sizable 16% of the world's population has no religion. That's nearly 1 in 6 people who would happily murder the other 5, including you because they lacked any form of morality — this just doesn't stack up to observed evidence. Secular humanism has established several non-religious moral codes, and biologists and psychologists have tracked various evolutionary pathways for why we act in (what we define as) a moral manner. Perhaps most importantly, statistical analysis (rates of murder, adultery, rape, theft, etc.) shows that non-religious folks behave no less morally than those who have found religion (or had it hammered into them since childhood). rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_timesMorality is a correct way of being, and as such elevates an absolutism in reality synonymous to one of the many definitions of God. To say morality can exist without God is to elevate man to sole interpreter of the truth; hence God(s) or god(s).
To negate any definition of God, is to negate infinity which is a grounding definition as well as infinite definitions and therefore all negations require a continual manifestation of new definitions of God; hence God always exists because of atheism.
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Post by vicky on Mar 14, 2019 0:25:52 GMT
The problem lies in your view/definition of religion. Religions began with men whos' teachings were for world peace. These teachings are Truth. What is Truth? Truth is that which never changes. Over time these definitely became corrupted to suit/satisfy the basic desires of man such as greed and power. Religion exists to Unite humanity not separate us. When you dissect every religion you will find that there is a common thread running through them all. This thread is known as Universal Love. All religions teach one basic discipline - the removal of the blemish of egoism from the mind, and of running after trivial joys. Every religion teaches man to fill his being with the Glory of God, and evict the pettiness of conceit. It trains him in methods of detachment and discrimination, so that he may aim high and attain liberation. This is the Truth. Those who possess hate, greed, anger, jealousy, lust, etc. and say that they are religious/spiritual are deluded. Only those whom practice the qualities of Truth, Right Conduct, Peace, Love, Nonviolence and Selflessness are to be called religious/spiritual. Now you know this, tell me, how many in this world are religious? That's right, only a handful. And even less than this, are the ones whom would brave through the storm of spirituality and become eligible to acquire Liberation. Acquiring Liberation is no easy task as some religions today would have you think. It requires you to control your senses and uphold morality in a world, where wrong is praised and righteousness is looked down upon.
We all need a proper role model to look up to when growing up such as out parents or else we'll turn out rotten. So too we need God to help and inspire us to gradually achieve certain spiritual heights until we reach the final goal which He Himself.
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Post by Sonny on Mar 23, 2019 22:30:59 GMT
Atheists are a less than 16% of worlds population. Google gives a figure of 7% but even that figure includes agnostics. The definition of Secular Humanism varies depending on who you ask. My understanding of the ideology of Secular Humanism is Philosophical Materialism, with some shared Morals. Morals that are subjective (since materialists reject metaphysics, they're not grounded in any objective claims and are opinions) no different to the beliefs of any other ideology whether good or bad (and again your perception of bad or good is ultimately biased and irrelevant). With a population of some 4 to 5 million Secular Humanists are also one third the population of the practitioners of Mormonism. Lastly, I would say that atheists are forced to practice the religiously derived moral norms of the host nations that they reside in. You can test that statement by looking at examples of countries with primarily atheist populations.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 13, 2021 16:17:22 GMT
If there are no transcendental, or higher values, then this is a serious problem. Because to what one can hope? One's hope isn't limitless. All what we know might be just a mirage or an illusion. As soon as any our hesitations are presented, we need in the truth. The truth is to where we're heading and what we're following at. That's why I guess it's pointless to consider morality without God.
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Post by joustos on Dec 25, 2021 18:33:00 GMT
A point refuted a thousand times, commonly abbreviated as PRATT, and called a canard outside of this website, refers to a point or argument that has literally been refuted so many times that it is not worth bothering with. Religious exampleReligion is required in order for a person to be moral/There is no morality without GodIf this were anywhere near true, the world would be in chaos as a fairly sizable 16% of the world's population has no religion. That's nearly 1 in 6 people who would happily murder the other 5, including you because they lacked any form of morality — this just doesn't stack up to observed evidence. Secular humanism has established several non-religious moral codes, and biologists and psychologists have tracked various evolutionary pathways for why we act in (what we define as) a moral manner. Perhaps most importantly, statistical analysis (rates of murder, adultery, rape, theft, etc.) shows that non-religious folks behave no less morally than those who have found religion (or had it hammered into them since childhood). rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_timesThat "religious example", elsewhere called a canard, is an opinion about the relationship between being religious (or adhering to a prophetic or ecclesiastical religion --which is not the same thing as a personal religiosity) and proper/moral/ethical social behavior; it affirms that without such religion, a person cannot act morally. And that's where all refutations come in. However I'll play the devil's advocate and defend that opinion: Every prophetic religion in human history -- to wit, Orphicism, Jeudaism, Christianity etc. -- has a baggage of morals, which the faithful are enjoined to follow and sometimes are required to follow under penalty of earthly punishments, wherefore morality = legality. So, itis a matter of fact that, for many people (even if disconnected from a religious culture), being moral is contingent on religion. Indeed, they would define moral and immoral acts according to some particular religion. (Some religions have adopted philisophical analyses.)
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Post by zef on Apr 30, 2022 3:51:07 GMT
If the only thing that prevents the individual from being an asshole is fear of the punishment, then such person is an asshole anyway. If the only thing that convinces the individual to help those in need is hope that God will see it and will give some additional points during the Judgement Day, then such person is an asshole. In both cases above what drives the individual is egoism and dreaming about ending up in a paradise. Not actual empathy. That kind of morality is garbage. Have you ever trained a dog? The dog's trainer is real, the dog learns by reward and punishment, and the resulting "morality" of the dog is real. The lotus has been a symbol of purity since before the time of the Buddha, and it blooms profusely in Buddhist art and literature.
Its roots are in muddy water, but the lotus flower rises above the mud to bloom clean and fragrant. In Buddhist art, a fully blooming lotus flower signifies enlightenment , while a closed bud represents a time before enlightenment.
Sometimes a flower is partly open, with its center hidden, indicating that enlightenment is beyond ordinary sight. The mud nourishing the roots represents our messy human lives. It is in the midst of our human experiences and our suffering that we seek to break free and bloom.
But while the flower rises above the mud, the roots and stem remain in the mud, where we live our lives. A Zen verse says, "May we exist in muddy water with purity, like a lotus."
Rising above the mud to bloom requires great faith in oneself, in the practice,
and in the Buddha's teaching. So, along with purity and enlightenment, a lotus also represents faith.
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Post by zef on Apr 30, 2022 9:05:23 GMT
The problem lies in your view/definition of religion. Religions began with men whos' teachings were for world peace. These teachings are Truth. What is Truth? Truth is that which never changes. Over time these definitely became corrupted to suit/satisfy the basic desires of man such as greed and power. Religion exists to Unite humanity not separate us. When you dissect every religion you will find that there is a common thread running through them all. This thread is known as Universal Love. All religions teach one basic discipline - the removal of the blemish of egoism from the mind, and of running after trivial joys. Every religion teaches man to fill his being with the Glory of God, and evict the pettiness of conceit. It trains him in methods of detachment and discrimination, so that he may aim high and attain liberation. This is the Truth. Those who possess hate, greed, anger, jealousy, lust, etc. and say that they are religious/spiritual are deluded. Only those whom practice the qualities of Truth, Right Conduct, Peace, Love, Nonviolence and Selflessness are to be called religious/spiritual. Now you know this, tell me, how many in this world are religious? That's right, only a handful. And even less than this, are the ones whom would brave through the storm of spirituality and become eligible to acquire Liberation. Acquiring Liberation is no easy task as some religions today would have you think. It requires you to control your senses and uphold morality in a world, where wrong is praised and righteousness is looked down upon. We all need a proper role model to look up to when growing up such as out parents or else we'll turn out rotten. So too we need God to help and inspire us to gradually achieve certain spiritual heights until we reach the final goal which He Himself. Es giebt eine Reihe idealischer Begebenheiten, die der Wirklichkeit parallel lauft.
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Post by zef on May 1, 2022 3:43:04 GMT
A point refuted a thousand times, commonly abbreviated as PRATT, and called a canard outside of this website, refers to a point or argument that has literally been refuted so many times that it is not worth bothering with. Religious exampleReligion is required in order for a person to be moral/There is no morality without GodIf this were anywhere near true, the world would be in chaos as a fairly sizable 16% of the world's population has no religion. That's nearly 1 in 6 people who would happily murder the other 5, including you because they lacked any form of morality — this just doesn't stack up to observed evidence. Secular humanism has established several non-religious moral codes, and biologists and psychologists have tracked various evolutionary pathways for why we act in (what we define as) a moral manner. Perhaps most importantly, statistical analysis (rates of murder, adultery, rape, theft, etc.) shows that non-religious folks behave no less morally than those who have found religion (or had it hammered into them since childhood). rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_timesMorality is a correct way of being, and as such elevates an absolutism in reality synonymous to one of the many definitions of God. To say morality can exist without God is to elevate man to sole interpreter of the truth; hence God(s) or god(s).
To negate any definition of God, is to negate infinity which is a grounding definition as well as infinite definitions and therefore all negations require a continual manifestation of new definitions of God; hence God always exists because of atheism.
Jefferson's rough draft of the Declaration of Independence used the expression, "... life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness."; In the final version, Jefferson altered the wording slightly to read "... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. It really began with the ancients (whom the founders read), particularly Epicureans and Stoics like Cicero, Cato, Seneca, and Epictetus. Despite their differences, both schools highlighted virtue as essential for happiness. Epicurus emphasized the individual’s need for the soul’s tranquility, which could only be found in the absence of pain and suffering. The happy, pleasant life belonged to the person who lived prudently and honorably – that is, virtuously. The Stoics also thought the soul’s serenity comprised the greatest happiness, and for them it meant the individual had to live in harmony with Nature or God – by being virtuous. To the Stoic, “Virtue [was] sufficient for happiness.” But to be virtuous was not easy, it required constant, even daily effort, regularly reflecting on one’s relationship with the world, constantly appealing to reason and learning self-control. This was not a passive matter; one “pursued” virtue.These ideas did not die with the advent of Christianity. Christianity also emphasized daily prayer and ongoing efforts to improve and foster one’s relationship with God. Stoicism’s compatibility with the new religion allowed it to blend into the new faith. Many believe that St. Paul’s work contains the ideas of Epictetus. Founder of Latin Christian literature, Quintius Tertullian, and St. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, often expressed Stoic views. Later, St. Ambrose and defender of the faith Marcus Minucius Felix took many ideas from Cicero’s morality. During the Middle Ages, thinkers such as Boethius, Lactantius, John Salisbury, and St. Thomas Aquinas all clearly incorporated various degrees of stoicism. The Renaissance famously revived Greek and Roman culture, including Stoicism. Finally, in the late 1500s, Justus Lipsius founded Neostoicism, the first scholarly attempt to blend Stoicism and Christianity. He, in turn, influenced Francis Bacon and Charles-Louis, baron de Montesquieu. Those inspired by Stoicism reads like a list of the most important thinkers of the day: Sir Thomas More, Hugo Grotius, Philipp Melancthon, René Descartes, Benedict de Spinoza, and Blaise Pascal.Virginia’s established Anglican Church, especially through the published sermons of Archbishop John Tillotson, equated happiness with virtue, just as the Stoics had. These sermons, Jacob M. Blosser reminds us, were supported by readings in contemporary almanacs and newspapers. In fact, via Virginia’s oral and print culture, the equation of happiness and virtue was simply ubiquitous.This was the world in which Thomas Jefferson grew up, a Virginia that was pre-revolutionary and pre-market-capitalist in which everyone needed to attend church or face a fine. It was also an ideological world shared by those in other colonies, according to Matthew Stewart. Everyone throughout the colonies, from the lawyer to the cobbler, understood that happiness (tranquility) derived from virtue, which one attained by active and persistent efforts. Happiness - understanding one’s calling, pursuing it, doing right by one’s family and community (we are reminded by Jan Lewis), all flowed from being centered and harmonious with one’s Creator.So, in the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson did exactly what he had intended to do; indeed, what he had been asked to do. He wrote a piece that reflected the American mind. In four words, he said it was the job of government to create a society that enhanced the individual’s ability to be right with Nature’s God, as Peter S. Onuf and Koch argue. “The pursuit of happiness” was not about hedonism, or about doing whatever one wanted to at a given moment. Instead, it was about something profound, about fostering virtue and tranquility.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 1, 2022 15:18:38 GMT
Morality is a correct way of being, and as such elevates an absolutism in reality synonymous to one of the many definitions of God. To say morality can exist without God is to elevate man to sole interpreter of the truth; hence God(s) or god(s).
To negate any definition of God, is to negate infinity which is a grounding definition as well as infinite definitions and therefore all negations require a continual manifestation of new definitions of God; hence God always exists because of atheism.
Jefferson's rough draft of the Declaration of Independence used the expression, "... life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness."; In the final version, Jefferson altered the wording slightly to read "... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. It really began with the ancients (whom the founders read), particularly Epicureans and Stoics like Cicero, Cato, Seneca, and Epictetus. Despite their differences, both schools highlighted virtue as essential for happiness. Epicurus emphasized the individual’s need for the soul’s tranquility, which could only be found in the absence of pain and suffering. The happy, pleasant life belonged to the person who lived prudently and honorably – that is, virtuously. The Stoics also thought the soul’s serenity comprised the greatest happiness, and for them it meant the individual had to live in harmony with Nature or God – by being virtuous. To the Stoic, “Virtue [was] sufficient for happiness.” But to be virtuous was not easy, it required constant, even daily effort, regularly reflecting on one’s relationship with the world, constantly appealing to reason and learning self-control. This was not a passive matter; one “pursued” virtue.These ideas did not die with the advent of Christianity. Christianity also emphasized daily prayer and ongoing efforts to improve and foster one’s relationship with God. Stoicism’s compatibility with the new religion allowed it to blend into the new faith. Many believe that St. Paul’s work contains the ideas of Epictetus. Founder of Latin Christian literature, Quintius Tertullian, and St. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, often expressed Stoic views. Later, St. Ambrose and defender of the faith Marcus Minucius Felix took many ideas from Cicero’s morality. During the Middle Ages, thinkers such as Boethius, Lactantius, John Salisbury, and St. Thomas Aquinas all clearly incorporated various degrees of stoicism. The Renaissance famously revived Greek and Roman culture, including Stoicism. Finally, in the late 1500s, Justus Lipsius founded Neostoicism, the first scholarly attempt to blend Stoicism and Christianity. He, in turn, influenced Francis Bacon and Charles-Louis, baron de Montesquieu. Those inspired by Stoicism reads like a list of the most important thinkers of the day: Sir Thomas More, Hugo Grotius, Philipp Melancthon, René Descartes, Benedict de Spinoza, and Blaise Pascal.Virginia’s established Anglican Church, especially through the published sermons of Archbishop John Tillotson, equated happiness with virtue, just as the Stoics had. These sermons, Jacob M. Blosser reminds us, were supported by readings in contemporary almanacs and newspapers. In fact, via Virginia’s oral and print culture, the equation of happiness and virtue was simply ubiquitous.This was the world in which Thomas Jefferson grew up, a Virginia that was pre-revolutionary and pre-market-capitalist in which everyone needed to attend church or face a fine. It was also an ideological world shared by those in other colonies, according to Matthew Stewart. Everyone throughout the colonies, from the lawyer to the cobbler, understood that happiness (tranquility) derived from virtue, which one attained by active and persistent efforts. Happiness - understanding one’s calling, pursuing it, doing right by one’s family and community (we are reminded by Jan Lewis), all flowed from being centered and harmonious with one’s Creator.So, in the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson did exactly what he had intended to do; indeed, what he had been asked to do. He wrote a piece that reflected the American mind. In four words, he said it was the job of government to create a society that enhanced the individual’s ability to be right with Nature’s God, as Peter S. Onuf and Koch argue. “The pursuit of happiness” was not about hedonism, or about doing whatever one wanted to at a given moment. Instead, it was about something profound, about fostering virtue and tranquility.
Well said!!!
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Post by zef on May 20, 2022 0:02:35 GMT
Jefferson's rough draft of the Declaration of Independence used the expression, "... life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness."; In the final version, Jefferson altered the wording slightly to read "... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. It really began with the ancients (whom the founders read), particularly Epicureans and Stoics like Cicero, Cato, Seneca, and Epictetus. Despite their differences, both schools highlighted virtue as essential for happiness. Epicurus emphasized the individual’s need for the soul’s tranquility, which could only be found in the absence of pain and suffering. The happy, pleasant life belonged to the person who lived prudently and honorably – that is, virtuously. The Stoics also thought the soul’s serenity comprised the greatest happiness, and for them it meant the individual had to live in harmony with Nature or God – by being virtuous. To the Stoic, “Virtue [was] sufficient for happiness.” But to be virtuous was not easy, it required constant, even daily effort, regularly reflecting on one’s relationship with the world, constantly appealing to reason and learning self-control. This was not a passive matter; one “pursued” virtue.These ideas did not die with the advent of Christianity. Christianity also emphasized daily prayer and ongoing efforts to improve and foster one’s relationship with God. Stoicism’s compatibility with the new religion allowed it to blend into the new faith. Many believe that St. Paul’s work contains the ideas of Epictetus. Founder of Latin Christian literature, Quintius Tertullian, and St. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, often expressed Stoic views. Later, St. Ambrose and defender of the faith Marcus Minucius Felix took many ideas from Cicero’s morality. During the Middle Ages, thinkers such as Boethius, Lactantius, John Salisbury, and St. Thomas Aquinas all clearly incorporated various degrees of stoicism. The Renaissance famously revived Greek and Roman culture, including Stoicism. Finally, in the late 1500s, Justus Lipsius founded Neostoicism, the first scholarly attempt to blend Stoicism and Christianity. He, in turn, influenced Francis Bacon and Charles-Louis, baron de Montesquieu. Those inspired by Stoicism reads like a list of the most important thinkers of the day: Sir Thomas More, Hugo Grotius, Philipp Melancthon, René Descartes, Benedict de Spinoza, and Blaise Pascal.Virginia’s established Anglican Church, especially through the published sermons of Archbishop John Tillotson, equated happiness with virtue, just as the Stoics had. These sermons, Jacob M. Blosser reminds us, were supported by readings in contemporary almanacs and newspapers. In fact, via Virginia’s oral and print culture, the equation of happiness and virtue was simply ubiquitous.This was the world in which Thomas Jefferson grew up, a Virginia that was pre-revolutionary and pre-market-capitalist in which everyone needed to attend church or face a fine. It was also an ideological world shared by those in other colonies, according to Matthew Stewart. Everyone throughout the colonies, from the lawyer to the cobbler, understood that happiness (tranquility) derived from virtue, which one attained by active and persistent efforts. Happiness - understanding one’s calling, pursuing it, doing right by one’s family and community (we are reminded by Jan Lewis), all flowed from being centered and harmonious with one’s Creator.So, in the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson did exactly what he had intended to do; indeed, what he had been asked to do. He wrote a piece that reflected the American mind. In four words, he said it was the job of government to create a society that enhanced the individual’s ability to be right with Nature’s God, as Peter S. Onuf and Koch argue. “The pursuit of happiness” was not about hedonism, or about doing whatever one wanted to at a given moment. Instead, it was about something profound, about fostering virtue and tranquility.
Well said!!!
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Post by zef on May 30, 2022 3:01:36 GMT
Have you ever trained a dog? The dog's trainer is real, the dog learns by reward and punishment, and the resulting "morality" of the dog is real. Are you a dog? And so you think a ball-room dress Unfitted for a pew, And fain would check the wantonness That gives the to view. "Indecent" is a cruel word To use to strict church-goers, It's very awful by the Lord To call us rogues and whores. In pews, like sheep in pens we sit, While you indulge in barking, If sheep will cast sheep's eyes a bit It is not worth remarking.
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Post by zef on May 30, 2022 14:59:21 GMT
Jefferson's rough draft of the Declaration of Independence used the expression, "... life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness."; In the final version, Jefferson altered the wording slightly to read "... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Well said!!! Shoefly, dragonfly, get back t'your mother. Pick up a flat rock, skip it across Green River. Welllllll!
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Post by zef on Jun 3, 2022 13:15:47 GMT
SOMEONE CAN CLAIM TO BE RELIGIOUS WHILE COMMITTED MURDER AND THEFT AND RAPE AND ADULTERY AND OTHER SINS. SOMEONE CAN CLAIM THEY ARE NOT RELIGIOUS WHILE WANTING TO AVOID COMMIT SINS THAT A RELIGION IS AGAINST ACCORDING TO THAT RELIGION'S AUTHORITY BOOK. I DID NOT CLAIM TO BE A MUSLIM BEFORE I STARTED STUDYING IT AND AGREEING WITH THE QURAN. SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT ISLAM IS FOR EXAMPLE ARE POTENTIALLY FUTURE MUSLIMS. IT IS A REQUIREMENT IN ISLAM THAT A MUSLIM BE A MUSLIM BY FREE CHOICE. THE QURAN DOES NOT ALLOW AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY EXPRESSES POLICY AGAINST FORCING NON MUSLIMS TO BECOME MUSLIMS. IN THE TIME WE ARE GIVEN BEFORE THE LAST DAY WHEN EVERYONE WILL DIE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY MUSLIM CAN BECOME MUSLIM TO AVOID ETERNAL PUNISHMENT FROM ALLAH FOR NOT BEING A MUSLIM AND DYING AS A NONBELIEVER. ALLAH ALONE KNOWS THAT DAY AND THE HOUR. WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE LEFT TO ACCEPT THE GUIDANCE UNTO THE RIGHT PATH. SO WHAT KEEPS THE SO CALLED NON RELIGIOUS PERSON FROM COMMITTING MURDER? ASK THEM. mtDNA is similar to Y-DNA as It passes through the maternal line only, from mother to daughter. (So, if you’re a woman) Y-DNA can be a powerful tool, though it is generally only worth doing if its benefits are understood.
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