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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 21, 2019 0:02:26 GMT
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Post by karl on Feb 22, 2019 18:19:01 GMT
That it took thousands of years after meeting our ancestors, before the neandethals disappeared from Europe, tells us that it wasn't a simple matter of them being subjected to genocide. But had it only been a matter not being able to adapt to a changing envirionment, I don't think they would have disappered completely after having survived in Europe for 500.000 years. Neanderthals lived in small tribes, usually not consisting of more than 30 individuals, which would have been easy targets for the larger and better organised societies of our ancestors. Whatever peaceful coexistence that may have endured for some time, would easily break down once there is competition over scarce resources.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 22, 2019 23:08:43 GMT
That it took thousands of years after meeting our ancestors, before the neandethals disappeared from Europe, tells us that it wasn't a simple matter of them being subjected to genocide. But had it only been a matter not being able to adapt to a changing envirionment, I don't think they would have disappered completely after having survived in Europe for 500.000 years. Neanderthals lived in small tribes, usually not consisting of more than 30 individuals, which would have been easy targets for the larger and better organised societies of our ancestors. Whatever peaceful coexistence that may have endured for some time, would easily break down once there is competition over scarce resources.
Eurasians have Neanderthal DNA, so I think the extinction of Neanderthals is not a simple case like; e.g. Homo sapiens genocided all of them. In my opinion, while some Neanderthals may be wiped by our ancestors, the rest of them were absorbed by homo sapiens tribes or they were forced to move to new lands and their migration led to their extinction. The interesting point is all modern humans have archaic human admixture (Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the others). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans |
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Post by karl on Feb 23, 2019 0:52:07 GMT
That it took thousands of years after meeting our ancestors, before the neandethals disappeared from Europe, tells us that it wasn't a simple matter of them being subjected to genocide. But had it only been a matter not being able to adapt to a changing envirionment, I don't think they would have disappered completely after having survived in Europe for 500.000 years. Neanderthals lived in small tribes, usually not consisting of more than 30 individuals, which would have been easy targets for the larger and better organised societies of our ancestors. Whatever peaceful coexistence that may have endured for some time, would easily break down once there is competition over scarce resources.
Eurasians have Neanderthal DNA, so I think the extinction of Neanderthals is not a simple case like; e.g. Homo sapiens genocided all of them. In my opinion, while some Neanderthals may be wiped by our ancestors, the rest of them were absorbed by homo sapiens tribes or they were forced to move to new lands and their migration led to their extinction. The interesting point is all modern humans have archaic human admixture (Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the others). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans
You can draw a parallel to what happened in the centuries after the Spanish conquered South America. There are very few native Americans left, but their DNA lives on in a good share of the South American population.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 23, 2019 1:18:33 GMT
Eurasians have Neanderthal DNA, so I think the extinction of Neanderthals is not a simple case like; e.g. Homo sapiens genocided all of them. In my opinion, while some Neanderthals may be wiped by our ancestors, the rest of them were absorbed by homo sapiens tribes or they were forced to move to new lands and their migration led to their extinction. The interesting point is all modern humans have archaic human admixture (Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the others). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans
You can draw a parallel to what happened in the centuries after the Spanish conquered South America. There are very few native Americans left, but their DNA lives on in a good share of the South American population.
Good example. Not only South America but there are also some other similar cases. Migrations, invasions, inter-ethnic marriages could leave a big impact on targets. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 23, 2019 6:41:47 GMT
That it took thousands of years after meeting our ancestors, before the neandethals disappeared from Europe, tells us that it wasn't a simple matter of them being subjected to genocide. But had it only been a matter not being able to adapt to a changing envirionment, I don't think they would have disappered completely after having survived in Europe for 500.000 years. Neanderthals lived in small tribes, usually not consisting of more than 30 individuals, which would have been easy targets for the larger and better organised societies of our ancestors. Whatever peaceful coexistence that may have endured for some time, would easily break down once there is competition over scarce resources.
Eurasians have Neanderthal DNA, so I think the extinction of Neanderthals is not a simple case like; e.g. Homo sapiens genocided all of them. In my opinion, while some Neanderthals may be wiped by our ancestors, the rest of them were absorbed by homo sapiens tribes or they were forced to move to new lands and their migration led to their extinction. The interesting point is all modern humans have archaic human admixture (Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the others). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humansI'm not extinct! I just didn't like being called neantherdal anymore XD  |
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 23, 2019 6:54:17 GMT
ElizabethWow... wow... wow... 4% is high. What's next? Grey aliens on Arktos? 
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Feb 23, 2019 7:51:10 GMT
Eurasians have Neanderthal DNA, so I think the extinction of Neanderthals is not a simple case like; e.g. Homo sapiens genocided all of them. In my opinion, while some Neanderthals may be wiped by our ancestors, the rest of them were absorbed by homo sapiens tribes or they were forced to move to new lands and their migration led to their extinction. The interesting point is all modern humans have archaic human admixture (Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the others). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humansI'm not extinct! I just didn't like being called neantherdal anymore XD I got 281 variants, more than 60% of 23andme customers. I guess this means that I am a slightly more highly evolved human than you.  |
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 23, 2019 7:55:22 GMT
Oh look at this fellow neatherthal (aka Clovis Merovingian) brag xD
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Clovis Merovingian
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
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Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Feb 23, 2019 8:11:42 GMT
Oh look at this fellow neatherthal (aka Clovis Merovingian) brag xD  , yeah. We're a bunch of knuckle dragging ape people but I drag my knuckles slightly less thus I am king of the baboons. Mommy Merovingian would be proud. |
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Post by yoshi on Mar 6, 2019 7:45:17 GMT
Good show. Good narrator. And, I learned something. Proud to have Neanderthal genes.
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, yeah. We're a bunch of knuckle dragging ape people but I drag my knuckles slightly less thus I am king of the baboons. Mommy Merovingian would be proud.