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Post by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2017 3:55:28 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature.
Another one
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22
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Post by jonbain on Aug 5, 2018 18:34:27 GMT
The narrative of the flying machine in Ezekiel, just blows my mind.
curiouser it just does not get
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Post by czechpatriarch on Aug 5, 2018 19:11:04 GMT
My favourite verse overwhelming majority of christians in history didnt follow cus its logically insane. But you are not from Christianity but from Rodnovery ? Yes but i also read bible sometimes and was trying to be christian but things as this really put me off. Whats point of being christian when almost no christian ever followed jesus´s teachings fully and werent really christian. Like Nietzsche said "The very word "Christianity" is a misunderstanding, In truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 5, 2018 21:30:34 GMT
But you are not from Christianity but from Rodnovery ? Yes but i also read bible sometimes and was trying to be christian but things as this really put me off. Whats point of being christian when almost no christian ever followed jesus´s teachings fully and werent really christian. Like Nietzsche said "The very word "Christianity" is a misunderstanding, In truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross." Why do you think that “almost no” Christians follow that commandment by Christ? There are many, but few comparatively. In response to Nietzsche I would quote something else Christ said, Matthew 20:16 KJV [16] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. Not to mention all the scripture Nietzsche is ignoring in that single statement that tells of men and women giving themselves to and for God.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 5, 2018 21:38:00 GMT
The narrative of the flying machine in Ezekiel, just blows my mind. curiouser it just does not get Why do you think there’s a machine in this verse?
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Post by czechpatriarch on Aug 5, 2018 23:16:22 GMT
Yes but i also read bible sometimes and was trying to be christian but things as this really put me off. Whats point of being christian when almost no christian ever followed jesus´s teachings fully and werent really christian. Like Nietzsche said "The very word "Christianity" is a misunderstanding, In truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross." Why do you think that “almost no” Christians follow that commandment by Christ? There are many, but few comparatively. In response to Nietzsche I would quote something else Christ said, Matthew 20:16 KJV [16] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. Not to mention all the scripture Nietzsche is ignoring in that single statement that tells of men and women giving themselves to and for God. Yes almost none followed it did you see many christian rulers, knights, warriors, merchants etc. Giving their stuff away when someone asks for it? Taking abuse without resisting ? Loving they enemies. They were even happy to kill other christians for power money and territory gain. It should be about getting closest to teachings of jesus. But from what i see noone really bothered that much in middle ages. Church was hoarding money and wealth. Papal state being run by prostitutes. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurumNoble families rigging papal elections to get power. Catholicism basically being "christianity" with hellenic philosophy and many pagan traditions and customs. owlcation.com/humanities/The-Pagan-Traditions-and-Elements-Within-Christianity Christians slaugthering eachother. Crusades(goes against jesus teachings) was massacre of population in jerusalem christian? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#MassacreCrusaders instead of helping to conquer holy land sacking constantinople for money. French allying with ottomans against habsburgs en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_allianceList goes on and on.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 6, 2018 0:07:48 GMT
Why do you think that “almost no” Christians follow that commandment by Christ? There are many, but few comparatively. In response to Nietzsche I would quote something else Christ said, Matthew 20:16 KJV [16] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. Not to mention all the scripture Nietzsche is ignoring in that single statement that tells of men and women giving themselves to and for God. Yes almost none followed it did you see many christian rulers, knights, warriors, merchants etc. Giving their stuff away when someone asks for it? Taking abuse without resisting ? Loving they enemies. They were even happy to kill other christians for power money and territory gain. It should be about getting closest to teachings of jesus. But from what i see noone really bothered that much in middle ages. Church was hoarding money and wealth. Papal state being run by prostitutes. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurumNoble families rigging papal elections to get power. Catholicism basically being "christianity" with hellenic philosophy and many pagan traditions and customs. owlcation.com/humanities/The-Pagan-Traditions-and-Elements-Within-Christianity Christians slaugthering eachother. Crusades(goes against jesus teachings) was massacre of population in jerusalem christian? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#MassacreCrusaders instead of helping to conquer holy land sacking constantinople for money. French allying with ottomans against habsburgs en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_allianceList goes on and on. Well you're talking about Catholicism which really isn't Christianity even though it claims it is. I wouldn't even necessarily call Eastern Orthodoxy Christian(I'm gonna get flack for saying that, watch ). But yea, the crusades were run by the Catholic Church which isn't Christian. The Knights Templar were found to be Luciferian. The crusades were done for money, power, and control. So in the sense that you are saying, when you have people calling themselves Christian that aren't really Christian then yes, Christians don't follow Jesus's teachings, but the reality is that they aren't really Christian, and this goes for all denominations. There are many who do follow Jesus's teachings though. You won't really find them in the history books or in present day as famous or loved people, more so infamous or never spoken of.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Aug 6, 2018 5:51:27 GMT
Why do you think that “almost no” Christians follow that commandment by Christ? There are many, but few comparatively. In response to Nietzsche I would quote something else Christ said, Matthew 20:16 KJV [16] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. Not to mention all the scripture Nietzsche is ignoring in that single statement that tells of men and women giving themselves to and for God. Yes almost none followed it did you see many christian rulers, knights, warriors, merchants etc. Giving their stuff away when someone asks for it? Taking abuse without resisting ? Loving they enemies. They were even happy to kill other christians for power money and territory gain. It should be about getting closest to teachings of jesus. But from what i see noone really bothered that much in middle ages. Church was hoarding money and wealth. Papal state being run by prostitutes. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurumNoble families rigging papal elections to get power. Catholicism basically being "christianity" with hellenic philosophy and many pagan traditions and customs. owlcation.com/humanities/The-Pagan-Traditions-and-Elements-Within-Christianity Christians slaugthering eachother. Crusades(goes against jesus teachings) was massacre of population in jerusalem christian? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#MassacreCrusaders instead of helping to conquer holy land sacking constantinople for money. French allying with ottomans against habsburgs en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_allianceList goes on and on. Rodnovery is a real paganism .. I'm not going to defend Catholicism, but it is because of Catholic influence that the crisis of Christianity in the Western world arose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 6:32:54 GMT
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his. savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good. for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Matthew 5:13
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Post by czechpatriarch on Aug 6, 2018 8:04:54 GMT
Yes almost none followed it did you see many christian rulers, knights, warriors, merchants etc. Giving their stuff away when someone asks for it? Taking abuse without resisting ? Loving they enemies. They were even happy to kill other christians for power money and territory gain. It should be about getting closest to teachings of jesus. But from what i see noone really bothered that much in middle ages. Church was hoarding money and wealth. Papal state being run by prostitutes. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurumNoble families rigging papal elections to get power. Catholicism basically being "christianity" with hellenic philosophy and many pagan traditions and customs. owlcation.com/humanities/The-Pagan-Traditions-and-Elements-Within-Christianity Christians slaugthering eachother. Crusades(goes against jesus teachings) was massacre of population in jerusalem christian? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#MassacreCrusaders instead of helping to conquer holy land sacking constantinople for money. French allying with ottomans against habsburgs en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_allianceList goes on and on. Well you're talking about Catholicism which really isn't Christianity even though it claims it is. I wouldn't even necessarily call Eastern Orthodoxy Christian(I'm gonna get flack for saying that, watch ). But yea, the crusades were run by the Catholic Church which isn't Christian. The Knights Templar were found to be Luciferian. The crusades were done for money, power, and control. So in the sense that you are saying, when you have people calling themselves Christian that aren't really Christian then yes, Christians don't follow Jesus's teachings, but the reality is that they aren't really Christian, and this goes for all denominations. There are many who do follow Jesus's teachings though. You won't really find them in the history books or in present day as famous or loved people, more so infamous or never spoken of. i agree with you on this. Like Machiavelli observed being overtly nice doesnt work if you want to get succesful. www.theschooloflife.com/thebookoflife/machiavellis-advice-for-nice-guys/
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Post by jonbain on Aug 8, 2018 20:09:28 GMT
The narrative of the flying machine in Ezekiel, just blows my mind. curiouser it just does not get Why do you think there’s a machine in this verse? Its not just me. Google images: "Ezekiel's flying machine" to see numerous attempts to depict it. Tho it would be natural for people in pre-machine times to anthropomorphize a machine - to think it a living entity due to it being animate. "The center of the fire looked like glowing metal" - sounds like some type of jet engine, or electric light. "Their legs were straight" - only landing gear could look like this "their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze." - rocket engines
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 8, 2018 21:43:21 GMT
Why do you think there’s a machine in this verse? Its not just me. Google images: "Ezekiel's flying machine" to see numerous attempts to depict it. Tho it would be natural for people in pre-machine times to anthropomorphize a machine - to think it a living entity due to it being animate. "The center of the fire looked like glowing metal" - sounds like some type of jet engine, or electric light. "Their legs were straight" - only landing gear could look like this "their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze." - rocket engines I know it’s not just you. I’ve seen this mentioned on the ancient aliens tv show. “Tho it would be natural for people in pre-machine times to anthropomorphize a machine - to think it a living entity due to it being animate.” Exactly. Also, have you checked other English versions for what they say? Here’s the KJV, Ezekiel 1:4-9 KJV [4] And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. [5] Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. [6] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. [7] And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. [8] And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. [9] Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. To me it’s describing some sort of creature, maybe angels, I’m not entirely sure. I do not see a machine being described here though. As soon as the word ‘metal’ is removed, is it still describing a machine to you?
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Post by Noiy - Ной on Aug 11, 2018 7:08:34 GMT
And he said to me: It is done. I am Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. To him that thirsteth, I will give of the fountain of the water of life, freely. - Revelations 21:6
This bible passage has always struck a chord with me ever since I was a child, shows the true nature of God in our lives.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 12, 2018 9:25:38 GMT
Its not just me. Google images: "Ezekiel's flying machine" to see numerous attempts to depict it. Tho it would be natural for people in pre-machine times to anthropomorphize a machine - to think it a living entity due to it being animate. "The center of the fire looked like glowing metal" - sounds like some type of jet engine, or electric light. "Their legs were straight" - only landing gear could look like this "their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze." - rocket engines I know it’s not just you. I’ve seen this mentioned on the ancient aliens tv show. “Tho it would be natural for people in pre-machine times to anthropomorphize a machine - to think it a living entity due to it being animate.” Exactly. Also, have you checked other English versions for what they say? Here’s the KJV, Ezekiel 1:4-9 KJV [4] And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. [5] Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. [6] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. [7] And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. [8] And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. [9] Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. To me it’s describing some sort of creature, maybe angels, I’m not entirely sure. I do not see a machine being described here though. As soon as the word ‘metal’ is removed, is it still describing a machine to you? Well its fairly ambiguous - but the 'straight feet' is not at all like an animal. Now if living creatures with faces were being carried by the machine, this would account for the ambiguity, early people would have no concept for this and would see it as one weird creature. It could also be that the faces were like the dragon at the head of a viking longship, designed with intent to make it appear like a creature - to evoke fear. What kind of animal could have four different faces? See point 9 below: the sound it makes. More at this link: www.flight-light-and-spin.com/ezekiel%27s%20flying%20machine.htm
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 12, 2018 9:46:20 GMT
I know it’s not just you. I’ve seen this mentioned on the ancient aliens tv show. “Tho it would be natural for people in pre-machine times to anthropomorphize a machine - to think it a living entity due to it being animate.” Exactly. Also, have you checked other English versions for what they say? Here’s the KJV, Ezekiel 1:4-9 KJV [4] And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. [5] Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. [6] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. [7] And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. [8] And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. [9] Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. To me it’s describing some sort of creature, maybe angels, I’m not entirely sure. I do not see a machine being described here though. As soon as the word ‘metal’ is removed, is it still describing a machine to you? Well its fairly ambiguous - but the 'straight feet' is not at all like an animal. Now if living creatures with faces were being carried by the machine, this would account for the ambiguity, early people would have no concept for this and would see it as one weird creature. It could also be that the faces were like the dragon at the head of a viking longship, designed with intent to make it appear like a creature - to evoke fear. What kind of animal could have four different faces? See point 9 below: the sound it makes. More at this link: www.flight-light-and-spin.com/ezekiel%27s%20flying%20machine.htmI never did say they were animals. Just some sort of creatures. Yes they would see it as one weird creature. Point 9 are these verses in the KJV, Ezekiel 1:24-25 KJV [24] And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. [25] And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. Engine sound? Idk, engines don’t sound like the “noise of great waters” which is also clear enough to be “the voice of speech”. I’ll show you something that should settle this... Ezekiel 10:5-20 KJV [5] And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. [6] And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels. [7] And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof , and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it , and went out. [8] And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings. [9] And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. [10] And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. [11] When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went. [12] And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had. [13] As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. [14] And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. [15] And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar. [16] And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them. [17] When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also : for the spirit of the living creature was in them. [18] Then the glory of the Lord departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims. [19] And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. [20] This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. So those creatures in Ezekiel 1 are these cherubim in Ezekiel 10.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 12, 2018 20:03:16 GMT
Cute verse Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
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