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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 11, 2018 23:26:51 GMT
dlvr.it/QtLC7R“The Vatican under Pope Francis will soon be implementing a change to the Lord's Prayer, also known as the Pater Noster, switching out the line "lead us not into temptation" for the Francis-approved "abandon us not into temptation."” God does not want His word changed. It is a principle found throughout the Bible. Deuteronomy 4:1-2 [1] Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them , that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. [2] Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Proverbs 30:5-6 [5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Revelation 22:18-19 [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Moreover, the pope’s reasoning was, "It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," But God does tempt us, as in he tries us and tests us, even daily, Genesis 22:1 [1] And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 1 Corinthians 15:31 [31] I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. Jeremiah 17:10 [10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. James 1:2-3 [2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; [3] Knowing this , that the trying of your faith worketh patience. And also the story of Job is a perfect example of God testing us. It would seem pope Francis doesn’t know the Bible, or he does and is purposely trying to change God’s word. I believe the latter is very likely.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 12, 2018 0:17:56 GMT
Pope's only ruin things. They only care about doing pedophilia. They never care about God. Shrug
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Post by prophettom on Dec 16, 2018 19:13:42 GMT
dlvr.it/QtLC7R“The Vatican under Pope Francis will soon be implementing a change to the Lord's Prayer, also known as the Pater Noster, switching out the line "lead us not into temptation" for the Francis-approved "abandon us not into temptation."” God does not want His word changed. It is a principle found throughout the Bible. Deuteronomy 4:1-2 [1] Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them , that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. [2] Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Proverbs 30:5-6 [5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Revelation 22:18-19 [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Moreover, the pope’s reasoning was, "It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," But God does tempt us, as in he tries us and tests us, even daily, Genesis 22:1 [1] And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 1 Corinthians 15:31 [31] I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. Jeremiah 17:10 [10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. James 1:2-3 [2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; [3] Knowing this , that the trying of your faith worketh patience. And also the story of Job is a perfect example of God testing us. It would seem pope Francis doesn’t know the Bible, or he does and is purposely trying to change God’s word. I believe the latter is very likely. That book is not of God. It is of His fallen Gods. That book and other religious guides like it are more a work of the fallen Gods than anything else. Making them the mark of the beast you take book in your hand and think that evil holy in your forehead. Spreading a evil Disease thinking you speak of God. But you Speak for his fallen Angels/lessor Gods best in those books. So no they do not want the evil in it removed. It is what keeps you fallen. God did tell me first about their laws. How I know they are fallen.
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Post by prophettom on Dec 16, 2018 19:14:42 GMT
So who cares if the mark of the beast is not upheld to a T i sure don't. I know those religions are soon to be no more anyway.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 16, 2018 20:16:13 GMT
dlvr.it/QtLC7R“The Vatican under Pope Francis will soon be implementing a change to the Lord's Prayer, also known as the Pater Noster, switching out the line "lead us not into temptation" for the Francis-approved "abandon us not into temptation."” God does not want His word changed. It is a principle found throughout the Bible. Deuteronomy 4:1-2 [1] Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them , that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. [2] Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Proverbs 30:5-6 [5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Revelation 22:18-19 [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Moreover, the pope’s reasoning was, "It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," But God does tempt us, as in he tries us and tests us, even daily, Genesis 22:1 [1] And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 1 Corinthians 15:31 [31] I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. Jeremiah 17:10 [10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. James 1:2-3 [2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; [3] Knowing this , that the trying of your faith worketh patience. And also the story of Job is a perfect example of God testing us. It would seem pope Francis doesn’t know the Bible, or he does and is purposely trying to change God’s word. I believe the latter is very likely. That book is not of God. It is of His fallen Gods. That book and other religious guides like it are more a work of the fallen Gods than anything else. Making them the mark of the beast you take book in your hand and think that evil holy in your forehead. Spreading a evil Disease thinking you speak of God. But you Speak for his fallen Angels/lessor Gods best in those books. So no they do not want the evil in it removed. It is what keeps you fallen. God did tell me first about their laws. How I know they are fallen.
That’s your opinion which I don’t care for at all shrug |
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Post by prophettom on Dec 16, 2018 20:28:50 GMT
That book is not of God. It is of His fallen Gods. That book and other religious guides like it are more a work of the fallen Gods than anything else. Making them the mark of the beast you take book in your hand and think that evil holy in your forehead. Spreading a evil Disease thinking you speak of God. But you Speak for his fallen Angels/lessor Gods best in those books. So no they do not want the evil in it removed. It is what keeps you fallen. God did tell me first about their laws. How I know they are fallen.
That’s your opinion which I don’t care for at all  yeah except that too came from God. You may not like it. But you not going to get out of it. No one ever has. That old grindstone of hell death and deceit of tribulation will soon be over. When you learn from God what I am telling you is true. I hope you become much clearer in sight. My opinion happens to matches Gods about it! |
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Post by joustos on Jan 9, 2020 20:17:00 GMT
dlvr.it/QtLC7R“The Vatican under Pope Francis will soon be implementing a change to the Lord's Prayer, also known as the Pater Noster, switching out the line "lead us not into temptation" for the Francis-approved "abandon us not into temptation."” God does not want His word changed. It is a principle found throughout the Bible. Deuteronomy 4:1-2 [1] Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them , that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. [2] Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Proverbs 30:5-6 [5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Revelation 22:18-19 [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Moreover, the pope’s reasoning was, "It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," But God does tempt us, as in he tries us and tests us, even daily, Genesis 22:1 [1] And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 1 Corinthians 15:31 [31] I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. Jeremiah 17:10 [10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. James 1:2-3 [2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; [3] Knowing this , that the trying of your faith worketh patience. And also the story of Job is a perfect example of God testing us. It would seem pope Francis doesn’t know the Bible, or he does and is purposely trying to change God’s word. I believe the latter is very likely. The prayer in question {Pater Noster: Our Father: Pater Hemon}is found only in some Gospels, which were written in Greek, not in Jesus' native language (Aramaic). The expression "into temptation " is the traditional translation of (eis periasmon), which is also translated as "trial; test". However, what warrants the traditional translation is what comes next in the Prayer: Do not lead us into temptation, but [rather] deliver us from evil. The presupposition or implication is inevitably that God occasionally leads people into temptation, or, as we could say now, that God tests people, such as Abraham, Jesus, and others. The Pope and others reject the idea that God would ever tempt anybody; so, a new translation is called for. The last temptation of Christ, according to novelist Kazantakis, did not come from God, but from Christ's personality, that he was identical with God. But this is another story, which has no bearing on those who pray...…….. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 10, 2020 13:04:23 GMT
dlvr.it/QtLC7R“The Vatican under Pope Francis will soon be implementing a change to the Lord's Prayer, also known as the Pater Noster, switching out the line "lead us not into temptation" for the Francis-approved "abandon us not into temptation."” God does not want His word changed. It is a principle found throughout the Bible. Deuteronomy 4:1-2 [1] Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them , that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. [2] Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Proverbs 30:5-6 [5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Revelation 22:18-19 [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Moreover, the pope’s reasoning was, "It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," But God does tempt us, as in he tries us and tests us, even daily, Genesis 22:1 [1] And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 1 Corinthians 15:31 [31] I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. Jeremiah 17:10 [10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. James 1:2-3 [2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; [3] Knowing this , that the trying of your faith worketh patience. And also the story of Job is a perfect example of God testing us. It would seem pope Francis doesn’t know the Bible, or he does and is purposely trying to change God’s word. I believe the latter is very likely. The prayer in question {Pater Noster: Our Father: Pater Hemon}is found only in some Gospels, which were written in Greek, not in Jesus' native language (Aramaic). The expression "into temptation " is the traditional translation of (eis periasmon), which is also translated as "trial; test". However, what warrants the traditional translation is what comes next in the Prayer: Do not lead us into temptation, but [rather] deliver us from evil. The presupposition or implication is inevitably that God occasionally leads people into temptation, or, as we could say now, that God tests people, such as Abraham, Jesus, and others. The Pope and others reject the idea that God would ever tempt anybody; so, a new translation is called for. The last temptation of Christ, according to novelist Kazantakis, did not come from God, but from Christ's personality, that he was identical with God. But this is another story, which has no bearing on those who pray...…….. Isn't Kazantsakis's novel just a plot of his mind? I mean Kazantsakis's Christ is the one who created everything by his mind. Each way - taken Pope's interpretation or Kazantsakis's would lead us to thought that God is the one who allow evil to occur. The precedent of Pope seems to be more dangerous itself. |
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Post by joustos on Jan 10, 2020 17:12:23 GMT
To continue my above post: The only sample of Jesus' own language, Aramaic, is in some Gospels, transposed into Greek letters as "Eloi, Eloi. Lama Sabachtani [Mark 15:34]" which means or is translated as "O God, God. Why has thou forsaken me?" This was said by Jesus before dying on the cross but occurs also in some psalms of the Hebrew Bible. So, I can see why some theologians would like to rephrase the Lord's prayer so as to approach Jesus' way of speaking: Do not abandon/forsake us in temptation. However, his quoted saying on the cross presents new theological problems. First of all, why did he address God as God [El in Aramaic or Canaanite] rather than as Father [Abba], if he actually considered himself the Son of God? Secondly, if he, along with Peter, considered himself to be divine, by addressing God would he not be addressing also himself? Was his thinking ever rational (logical)? Linguistic issues are actually minor in the Christian faith.
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