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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 29, 2018 5:51:07 GMT
What is it?
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Dec 4, 2018 6:28:43 GMT
The ideal economy is when we perfect robots to the point where they can do all the work that humans are able to do. Then manual labor for human beings goes away and human beings are served hand in foot by robots. Robots build the houses, robots grow the food, robots do what ever kind of menial labor can be done leaving the human race to a life of leisure and partying in a high tech first world paradise operated by high efficient robots enslaved to their will. Its all the advantages of chattel slavery without having the immorality of enslaving a sentient human being. In this world humans would be freed from manual labor, having to use money to get goods, having to work at a job for their food etc. because robots produce everything they need and and provide them freely because they are subservient to humanity. Humans would then be freed to pursue art, science, philosophy, and intellectual pursuits such as these.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 5, 2018 6:12:16 GMT
The ideal economy is when we perfect robots to the point where they can do all the work that humans are able to do. Then manual labor for human beings goes away and human beings are served hand in foot by robots. Robots build the houses, robots grow the food, robots do what ever kind of menial labor can be done leaving the human race to a life of leisure and partying in a high tech first world paradise operated by high efficient robots enslaved to their will. Its all the advantages of chattel slavery without having the immorality of enslaving a sentient human being. In this world humans would be freed from manual labor, having to use money to get goods, having to work at a job for their food etc. because robots produce everything they need and and provide them freely because they are subservient to humanity. Humans would then be freed to pursue art, science, philosophy, and intellectual pursuits such as these. What if something goes wrong (technology has its difficulties at times) and the robots go against us? |
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Post by PISTON1246 on Dec 5, 2018 20:43:54 GMT
I am not interested in a robot vaccuum cleaner. I do not even like the idea of computer controlled engines let alone "autonomous" vehicles.
Humans are better at making decisions.
A robot is stupid. From the news I have heard of multiple crashes with vehicles left on auto pilot and multiple fatalities.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Dec 6, 2018 2:22:55 GMT
The ideal economy is when we perfect robots to the point where they can do all the work that humans are able to do. Then manual labor for human beings goes away and human beings are served hand in foot by robots. Robots build the houses, robots grow the food, robots do what ever kind of menial labor can be done leaving the human race to a life of leisure and partying in a high tech first world paradise operated by high efficient robots enslaved to their will. Its all the advantages of chattel slavery without having the immorality of enslaving a sentient human being. In this world humans would be freed from manual labor, having to use money to get goods, having to work at a job for their food etc. because robots produce everything they need and and provide them freely because they are subservient to humanity. Humans would then be freed to pursue art, science, philosophy, and intellectual pursuits such as these. What if something goes wrong (technology has its difficulties at times) and the robots go against us? Yeah; the Skynet scenario. There was a science fiction writer (I think a former scientist as well) who made a point I agree with. Machines probably wont turn against us because they do what they are programmed to do and do not have free will. They are tools under our control and a slave to their programming. From a Christian perceptive I don't think that its possible to grant machines free will or sentience on the level of humans (only God can grant this, this is how we are created in the image of God) and its definitely not possible for them to grant themselves free will without outside interference. I don't think that robots exterminating the human race will be a problem. On technology going faulty, well technology goes faulty today and we persevere and correct our problems. Anyways, I think my scenario is what the future will look like. I think that this robot "nanny state" is what will eventually replace capitalism when we have the technology. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 6, 2018 3:46:04 GMT
What if something goes wrong (technology has its difficulties at times) and the robots go against us? Yeah; the Skynet scenario. There was a science fiction writer (I think a former scientist as well) who made a point I agree with. Machines probably wont turn against us because they do what they are programmed to do and do not have free will. They are tools under our control and a slave to their programming. From a Christian perceptive I don't think that its possible to grant machines free will or sentience on the level of humans (only God can grant this, this is how we are created in the image of God) and its definitely not possible for them to grant themselves free will without outside interference. I don't think that robots exterminating the human race will be a problem. On technology going faulty, well technology goes faulty today and we persevere and correct our problems. Anyways, I think my scenario is what the future will look like. I think that this robot "nanny state" is what will eventually replace capitalism when we have the technology. Yeah I don't think they'll be able to have free will but people have made things that kill other humans. Even at times people had guns accidently go off and kill someone. So if a gun (which is a tool humans made can accidently backfire and kill unintentionally) then certainly there could be moments like that with a robot which is also a tool humans made. Or you don't think so? I'm just picturing a robot gets programmed to kill a mosquito or something and somehow it missreads a person or baby as a mosquito after getting water on itself or something. Shrug |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Dec 6, 2018 5:01:28 GMT
Yeah; the Skynet scenario. There was a science fiction writer (I think a former scientist as well) who made a point I agree with. Machines probably wont turn against us because they do what they are programmed to do and do not have free will. They are tools under our control and a slave to their programming. From a Christian perceptive I don't think that its possible to grant machines free will or sentience on the level of humans (only God can grant this, this is how we are created in the image of God) and its definitely not possible for them to grant themselves free will without outside interference. I don't think that robots exterminating the human race will be a problem. On technology going faulty, well technology goes faulty today and we persevere and correct our problems. Anyways, I think my scenario is what the future will look like. I think that this robot "nanny state" is what will eventually replace capitalism when we have the technology. Yeah I don't think they'll be able to have free will but people have made things that kill other humans. Even at times people had guns accidently go off and kill someone. So if a gun (which is a tool humans made can accidently backfire and kill unintentionally) then certainly there could be moments like that with a robot which is also a tool humans made. Or you don't think so? I'm just picturing a robot gets programmed to kill a mosquito or something and somehow it missreads a person or baby as a mosquito after getting water on itself or something.  Accidents happen sure. The amount of people who die in car accidents every year is staggering but I think as with cars the benefits in this situation outweigh the risks. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 6, 2018 5:21:21 GMT
Yeah I don't think they'll be able to have free will but people have made things that kill other humans. Even at times people had guns accidently go off and kill someone. So if a gun (which is a tool humans made can accidently backfire and kill unintentionally) then certainly there could be moments like that with a robot which is also a tool humans made. Or you don't think so? I'm just picturing a robot gets programmed to kill a mosquito or something and somehow it missreads a person or baby as a mosquito after getting water on itself or something. Accidents happen sure. The amount of people who die in car accidents every year is staggering but I think as with cars the benefits in this situation outweigh the risks. Hmm...  |
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Post by PISTON1246 on Dec 7, 2018 1:09:48 GMT
If a gun is well made and designed it won't go off accidentally and kill someone.
Some accidents with a firearm are due to neglect. It is like driving an automobile. I had to slam on the breaks to keep from killing a j walker with my 2 ton sedan.
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Post by Robson on Mar 3, 2019 18:26:54 GMT
The ideal economy is one where people get paid to make themselves competent. Read a book, take a test, get paid for the results. You get $1 for every 5 push-ups you do, you make $15 for running a 9min mile, and $50 for running a 7min mile. To combat inflation, when the government fines you, the money simply disappears. The gov shouldn’t be incentivized to fine their people the way they are now. Universal basic income is noble, but we need a universal way for people to generate their own income. You don’t start collecting money until 18, every cent you earn as a child goes into a side account you get when you’re 25, so people know they have freedom and opportunity in life. Something like that.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 3, 2019 19:52:29 GMT
The ideal economy is one where people get paid to make themselves competent. Read a book, take a test, get paid for the results. You get $1 for every 5 push-ups you do, you make $15 for running a 9min mile, and $50 for running a 7min mile. To combat inflation, when the government fines you, the money simply disappears. The gov shouldn’t be incentivized to fine their people the way they are now. Universal basic income is noble, but we need a universal way for people to generate their own income. You don’t start collecting money until 18, every cent you earn as a child goes into a side account you get when you’re 25, so people know they have freedom and opportunity in life. Something like that. So if the person doing the test gets paid for the results then the people correcting the test do it for free? |
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Post by Robson on Mar 3, 2019 22:57:46 GMT
No, I’m thinking more scantron type of tests. If there were graders those taking the tests would pay a flat fee of 15-20 (possibly more depending on what’s being graded), because I’m thinking a B grade will get you 250-300. So a marginal fee to support the grader would be necessary. But those tests would have to be scheduled, with the hopes of more than a few people showing up. A scantron test you should be able to go in and request anything from history to mathematics, as the moderator would be there strictly to make sure you weren’t cheating. Maybe everyone throws the moderator $5 for their time. My guess is those $5 would add up quickly.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 3, 2019 23:29:06 GMT
No, I’m thinking more scantron type of tests. If there were graders those taking the tests would pay a flat fee of 15-20 (possibly more depending on what’s being graded), because I’m thinking a B grade will get you 250-300. So a marginal fee to support the grader would be necessary. But those tests would have to be scheduled, with the hopes of more than a few people showing up. A scantron test you should be able to go in and request anything from history to mathematics, as the moderator would be there strictly to make sure you weren’t cheating. Maybe everyone throws the moderator $5 for their time. My guess is those $5 would add up quickly. I do like this fast way of getting money and all but will there be enough people to print money fast too? USA is in a lot of debt for example and can only print money so often. |
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Post by Robson on Mar 4, 2019 6:18:59 GMT
Printing actual money is unnecessary. It’s all basically numbers in a computer anyway, when a bank transfers money, nothing is actually moved anymore, it’s just numbers in an account. So why can’t you have a heart rate monitor, and gps tracker connected to your Venmo or Apple Pay account? When you take a test the money appears in the same account. As for the debt, other countries would have to accept the new form of money, the whole point of a super strong military is to be able to make decisions that anger other countries. I’m not saying that’s right, but if you have one, might as well use it for actual good and progress, not profits for a few.
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