Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 11:47:31 GMT
TIGHT SLAP FOR INDIAN NATIONALIS, KEEP ON DENYING, but Once, these STEPPE people did come to your lands, and they were BRUTAL PEOPLE
The current distribution of the M17 haplotype is likely to represent traces of an ancient population migration originating in southern Russia/Ukraine, where M17 is found at high frequency (>50%). It is possible that the domestication of the horse in this region around 3,000 B.C. may have driven the migration (27). The distribution and age of M17 in Europe (17) and Central/Southern Asia is consistent with the inferred movements of these people, who left a clear pattern of archaeological remains known as the Kurgan culture, and are thought to have spoken an early Indo-European language (27, 28, 29). The decrease in frequency eastward across Siberia to the Altai-Sayan mountains (represented by the Tuvinian population) and Mongolia, and southward into India, overlaps exactly with the inferred migrations of the Indo-Iranians during the period 3,000 to 1,000 B.C. (27). It is worth noting that the Indo-European-speaking Sourashtrans, a population from Tamil Nadu in southern India, have a much higher frequency of M17 than their Dravidian-speaking neighbors, the Yadhavas and Kallars (39% vs. 13% and 4%, respectively), adding to the evidence that M17 is a diagnostic Indo-Iranian marker. The exceptionally high frequencies of this marker in the Kyrgyz, Tajik/Khojant, and Ishkashim populations are likely to be due to drift, as these populations are less diverse, and are characterized by relatively small numbers of individuals living in isolated mountain valleys.
|
|
ajay0
Full Member
Posts: 162
Likes: 79
|
Post by ajay0 on Nov 6, 2018 14:34:59 GMT
I have not stated that people from all over the world have not come to India. People indeed have migrated to India from different regions in the past, and they were incorporated into the Aryan culture or religion.
The Dharmic religions and philosophies consider the Arya as a man of ideal character and conduct, not a particular race.
Some European pseudo-scholars in the past made the folly of associating the Arya with a particular race instead of a virtuous nature or character, and they made the price for it through the world wars .
As Max Mueller stated, " I have declared again and again that if I say Aryans, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language… in that sense, and in that sense only, do I say that even the blackest Hindus represent an earlier stage of Aryan speech and thought than the fairest Scandinavians... To me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar. "
The Arya in the Dharmic context is also different from the 'Aryan' used by the likes of Max Mueller and others to define peoples speaking a particular set of linguistically connected languages. Most western scholars of present, realising the error, have now started using the term Indo-european instead wisely.
The Dharmic and ancient eastern interpretation of Arya, is also important due to its focus on character, conduct and value systems which alone is responsible for making any individual or nation strong or weak, and which has enabled India as an ancient civilization to survive when all others collapsed.
Even Napoleon Bonaparte, arguably the greatest general ever, was wise enough to realise the importance of character and virtue in the long run...
"There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the long run the sword will always be conquered by the spirit."
Aryans had WARRIOR CULTURE, hindus of today not..
I would be more than happy, if modern hindus even implement 15% of those people. Lot of issues of india would get resolved.
Hindus of today don't follow any culture of aryans, actually.
Have no idea what you are talking about here. India has the second largest armed forces in the world after China, and have steadfastly participated in UN campaigns all over the world. As Max Mueller stated, you just have mistaken the linguistic group for a race. In fact many migrations have come from the caucasian peoples as well to India and they were all admitted into the fold of the Aryan culture/religion or Sanatana Dharma/Eternal religion. You will be surprised to see the genetic diversity just between the caucasians in the whole of India if you care to do your homework which shows that there were many migrations from different places and regions all over the world.
|
|
|
Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 7, 2018 12:22:51 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 13:01:15 GMT
It's useless to talk with Hindu minded people. They are causing more problems in India. Hindus don't follow Aryans culture
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 13:03:46 GMT
That map is by Turkish nationality though yes the people migrated from those regions, but Turks are not related to aryans
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 13:57:39 GMT
Aryans had WARRIOR CULTURE, hindus of today not..
I would be more than happy, if modern hindus even implement 15% of those people. Lot of issues of india would get resolved.
Hindus of today don't follow any culture of aryans, actually.
Have no idea what you are talking about here. India has the second largest armed forces in the world after China, and have steadfastly participated in UN campaigns all over the world. As Max Mueller stated, you just have mistaken the linguistic group for a race. In fact many migrations have come from the caucasian peoples as well to India and they were all admitted into the fold of the Aryan culture/religion or Sanatana Dharma/Eternal religion. You will be surprised to see the genetic diversity just between the caucasians in the whole of India if you care to do your homework which shows that there were many migrations from different places and regions all over the world. Actually, it is Indian government which needs todos it's homework, because they are assuming that their Hindu nationality is synonymous with Vedic culture. people who came as Vedic Aryans bears cultural resemblance with sintastha arkaim burial sites . The people of sintasthaare known to be speakers of proto indo Iranian language from which indo Irani language have come off. The more this denial, the more problem for India as they would end up confused k
|
|
|
Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 7, 2018 14:46:21 GMT
That map is by Turkish nationality though yes the people migrated from those regions, but Turks are not related to aryans Some Turkic are descendants of the ancient Aryans.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 7:04:34 GMT
ajay0//As Max Mueller stated, you just have mistaken the linguistic group for a race. In fact many migrations have come from the caucasian peoples as well to India and they were all admitted into the fold of the Aryan culture/religion or Sanatana Dharma/Eternal religion. // can you tell me, why the icelanders chronciled these sagas, like this, especially for their lord loki, it's an icelandic name of a ruler, who belongs to INDO EUROPEAN civilization, who once happened to be the ruling classes of those regions, long time back. You need to study poetic eddas properly.
The charges which loki blames for odin, is exactly was the situation of dhrithrastha, as per the mahabharata also, because, he was not able to come to conclusion, was blinded two folds. How can these things be missed out?
Odin says that Loki must be insane to make Gefjun his enemy, as her wisdom about the fates of men may equal Odin's own. Loki says that Odin does a poor job in handing out honor in war to men, and that he's often given victory to the faint-hearted. Odin responds that even if this is true, Loki (in a story otherwise unattested) once spent eight winters beneath the earth as a woman milking cows, and during this time bore children. Odin declares this perverse. Loki counters that Odin once practiced seiðr (a type of sorcery) on the island of Samsey (now Samsø, Denmark), and, appearing as a wizard, traveled among mankind, which Loki condemns as perverse.[14] Shukracharya was known to practise the exact type of sorcery, though, how he lost his eye is different in the context ,now, but shukracharya is known to practise sorcery, this is a well known truth.
In hindu purans, krishna is also depicted as a cow herder, though, here, the thing is that he has been re transported etc, but, still, he is associated with group of cow herders, also known as 'GWALAS'. The legends of Krishna's childhood and youth describe him as a cow herder, a mischievous boy whose pranks earns him the nickname a Makhan Chor (butter thief), and a protector who steals the hearts of the people in both Gokul and Vrindavana. The texts state, for example, that Krishna lifts the Govardhana hill to protect the inhabitants of Vrindavana from devastating rains and floods.[93] Krishna is also lord of tricks in the hindu purans, same like loki, and is instrumental in bringing mahabharata. In bhagwad gita, it is clearly stated that vyasa is the krishna Of the descendants of Vrsni I am Vasudeva, and of the Pandavas I am Arjuna. Of the sages I am Vyasa, and among great thinkers I am Usana.Which clearly shows that lot of mish mash has been done to adjust the time lines of indian histories, just to accord it with aryan culture, somehow. People who came as aryans are no longer into existence on this planet. They are long gone.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 7:27:27 GMT
ajay0Do you know, who is kavya ushana, it was SHUKRACHARYA, krishna the warlord, is himself saying that I am the shukra also. Krishna had another name , UPENDRA, it means, he himself is calling as PURANDARA, INDRA-BRIHASPATI, whom the norse calls as THOR, and is known as JUPITER. These CORRELATION CANNOT BE MISSED AT ALL. aratta.wordpress.com/2015/10/12/odin-and-tyr/Shukra Similarly, as mentioned in the epic Mahābhārata, Tvaṣṭr is Śukra’s son. Shukra (Sanskrit: “clear, pure” or “brightness, clearness”) is etymologically identical with Shukla “light”. It is the name of the son of Bhrigu, and preceptor of the Daityas, and the guru of the Asuras, identified with the planet Venus, one of the Navagrahas. He presides over Friday. He is of white complexion, middle-aged and of agreeable countenance. He is described variously as mounted on a camel, horse or crocodile. He holds a stick, beads and a lotus and sometimes a bow and arrow.
Ushanas is the name of a Vedic rishi with the patronymic Kāvya (descendant of Kavi, AVŚ 4.29.6), who was later identified as Ushanas Shukra. He is venerated as a seer in the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna tells Arjun that among Kavis he is Ushanas.
As a noun Shukra is also the name of a Marutavaata, of a son of Vasishtha, of the third Manu, of one of the saptarshi under Manu Bhautya, of a son of Bhava, of a son of Havirdhana. Since he was the guru of Asuras, he was also called Asuracharya. In Old Norse texts, Odin is depicted as one-eyed and long-bearded, frequently wielding a spear, Gungnir, and wearing a black or blue cloak and a broad hat. He is often accompanied by his animal companions— the wolves Geri and Freki and the ravens Huginn and Muninn, who bring him information from all over Midgard—and Odin rides the flying, eight-legged steed Sleipnir across the sky and into the underworld.Read BG Properly, there are lot of things which talks about AUTHENTIC ARYAN CULTURE IN BG ITSELF. shukracharya, Shukracharya is the preceptor of the Asuras who is depicted riding on a horse with a stick. Shukra in the Puranic ideology is famed as one with the knowledge that raises the dead back to life, something that helps the violent evil return back to life even after the gods and the forces of good destroy them; this knowledge is sought by the gods and is ultimately gained by them.[2]Odin learned 'CHANTING', which in SANSKRIT IS MANTRAS, which PRIESTLY LEARNED BRAHMANS, Long time back, used to EVOKE. I think, this evidence is sufficient to make a case, that today's hindus are not ARYANS, or not related to also. Besides, many brahmans are not aryans. For me, aryans == asura, because, asura means CENTRAL ASIANS. Having been initiated into the mysteries of the runes, Odin recounted: Then I was fertilized and became wise; I truly grew and thrived. From a word to a word I was led to a word, From a work to a work I was led to a work. Equipped with the knowledge of how to wield the runes, he became one of the mightiest and most accomplished beings in the cosmos. He learned chants that enabled him to heal emotional and bodily wounds, to bind his enemies and render their weapons worthless, to free himself from constraints, to put out fires, to expose and banish practitioners of malevolent magic, to protect his friends in battle, to wake the dead, to win and keep a lover, and to perform many other feats like these.[1] Odin was the father of Aesir. He had one eye. He was the son of Burr and grandson of Buri. His main weapon was spear. Buri was the first god in Norse myth. Odin is considered as a poet. Shukra was the teacher of Asura. He had one eye. He was the son of Bhrigu and grandson of Brahma. His main weapon was a magic stick or spear. Brahma was the creator. Asura are often depicted with horned helmets. Shukra is considered as a poet.What's the use of STUYDING VEDAS, IF RACES AND ANCESTRY CANNOT BE INVOKED, AND ONE CANNOT BE LORD? THE FACT IS, EVEN STUDYING VEDAS REQUIRES ANCESTRY, AND IS CONNECTED WITH RACES. IN TODAY'S TIME, I WILL EQUATE INDO EUROPEANS WITH ARYANS, BECAUSE, THE PEOPLE WHO CAME AS ARYANS, ARE OR WERE RELATED WITH INDO EUROPEANS.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 7:29:54 GMT
That map is by Turkish nationality though yes the people migrated from those regions, but Turks are not related to aryans Some Turkic are descendants of the ancient Aryans.
I am aware of that, but the person, who has posted is creating agenda.
And also, it is completely futile to speak with hindus on this matter, because, they are very adamant that aryans migrated out of india, where as, mitanni scriptures have been found, where the people, who became indo aryans in rig vedas had gone for peace treaty with hittites.
I don't know why people are turning blind eye to this fact.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 14:28:39 GMT
most probably, indo europeans must have resembled these HITTITE WARLORDS
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 14:31:21 GMT
I cannot understand how south asians ended up defeating and conquering, and even hijacking this first foreign invaders of theirs.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 3:01:09 GMT
Besides, david reich has already suggested a model, and genetic tests are proving this, now, pakistan etc has no brahmins in today's time, but these aryan who became brahmans in subcontinent did come out of punjab and sindh valley regions, long time back. Once these groups crossed gangetic plains, for a brief period, they were the LORDS of those regions, but the indigeneous population usurped their kingdoms, hijacked the aryan texts, and this is how many aryans or brahmins, ended up becomign temple priest, just to safe guard or the custodians of the INDIGNENOUS PAGANISTIC CULTURE, with new text written as brahmanical purans etc. Reich contends that long tracts of ANI ancestry in some North Indians indicate that later people arrived from the first ANI wave. Also, several populations have an atypical Yamna-Iranian ratio in their ANI ancestry, being enriched for Yamna, and not so enriched for Iranian. These are all Brahmin groups. www.razib.com/wordpress/?cat=200But, now, with so much of race mixing, even brahmins are no longer 'DIFFERENT' in their looks
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 3:04:08 GMT
|
|
ajay0
Full Member
Posts: 162
Likes: 79
|
Post by ajay0 on Nov 17, 2018 15:31:11 GMT
ajay0 Do you know, who is kavya ushana, it was SHUKRACHARYA, krishna the warlord, is himself saying that I am the shukra also. Krishna had another name , UPENDRA, it means, he himself is calling as PURANDARA, INDRA-BRIHASPATI, whom the norse calls as THOR, and is known as JUPITER. These CORRELATION CANNOT BE MISSED AT ALL. aratta.wordpress.com/2015/10/12/odin-and-tyr/Shukra Similarly, as mentioned in the epic Mahābhārata, Tvaṣṭr is Śukra’s son. Shukra (Sanskrit: “clear, pure” or “brightness, clearness”) is etymologically identical with Shukla “light”. It is the name of the son of Bhrigu, and preceptor of the Daityas, and the guru of the Asuras, identified with the planet Venus, one of the Navagrahas. He presides over Friday. He is of white complexion, middle-aged and of agreeable countenance. He is described variously as mounted on a camel, horse or crocodile. He holds a stick, beads and a lotus and sometimes a bow and arrow.
Ushanas is the name of a Vedic rishi with the patronymic Kāvya (descendant of Kavi, AVŚ 4.29.6), who was later identified as Ushanas Shukra. He is venerated as a seer in the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna tells Arjun that among Kavis he is Ushanas.
As a noun Shukra is also the name of a Marutavaata, of a son of Vasishtha, of the third Manu, of one of the saptarshi under Manu Bhautya, of a son of Bhava, of a son of Havirdhana. Since he was the guru of Asuras, he was also called Asuracharya. In Old Norse texts, Odin is depicted as one-eyed and long-bearded, frequently wielding a spear, Gungnir, and wearing a black or blue cloak and a broad hat. He is often accompanied by his animal companions— the wolves Geri and Freki and the ravens Huginn and Muninn, who bring him information from all over Midgard—and Odin rides the flying, eight-legged steed Sleipnir across the sky and into the underworld.Read BG Properly, there are lot of things which talks about AUTHENTIC ARYAN CULTURE IN BG ITSELF. shukracharya, Shukracharya is the preceptor of the Asuras who is depicted riding on a horse with a stick. Shukra in the Puranic ideology is famed as one with the knowledge that raises the dead back to life, something that helps the violent evil return back to life even after the gods and the forces of good destroy them; this knowledge is sought by the gods and is ultimately gained by them.[2]Odin learned 'CHANTING', which in SANSKRIT IS MANTRAS, which PRIESTLY LEARNED BRAHMANS, Long time back, used to EVOKE. I think, this evidence is sufficient to make a case, that today's hindus are not ARYANS, or not related to also. Besides, many brahmans are not aryans. For me, aryans == asura, because, asura means CENTRAL ASIANS. Having been initiated into the mysteries of the runes, Odin recounted: Then I was fertilized and became wise; I truly grew and thrived. From a word to a word I was led to a word, From a work to a work I was led to a work. Equipped with the knowledge of how to wield the runes, he became one of the mightiest and most accomplished beings in the cosmos. He learned chants that enabled him to heal emotional and bodily wounds, to bind his enemies and render their weapons worthless, to free himself from constraints, to put out fires, to expose and banish practitioners of malevolent magic, to protect his friends in battle, to wake the dead, to win and keep a lover, and to perform many other feats like these.[1] Odin was the father of Aesir. He had one eye. He was the son of Burr and grandson of Buri. His main weapon was spear. Buri was the first god in Norse myth. Odin is considered as a poet. Shukra was the teacher of Asura. He had one eye. He was the son of Bhrigu and grandson of Brahma. His main weapon was a magic stick or spear. Brahma was the creator. Asura are often depicted with horned helmets. Shukra is considered as a poet.What's the use of STUYDING VEDAS, IF RACES AND ANCESTRY CANNOT BE INVOKED, AND ONE CANNOT BE LORD? THE FACT IS, EVEN STUDYING VEDAS REQUIRES ANCESTRY, AND IS CONNECTED WITH RACES. IN TODAY'S TIME, I WILL EQUATE INDO EUROPEANS WITH ARYANS, BECAUSE, THE PEOPLE WHO CAME AS ARYANS, ARE OR WERE RELATED WITH INDO EUROPEANS.
As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about over here, and twisting religious facts to suit your fantasies.
How does Krishna become Shukracharya, the guru of the asuras! BG 10.37: Amongst the descendants of Vrishni, I am Krishna, and amongst the Pandavas I am Arjuna. Know me to be Ved Vyas amongst the sages, and Shukracharya amongst the great thinkers.
BG 10.37:Among the Daitya demons I am the devoted Prahlada; among subduers I am time; among the beasts I am the lion, and among birds I am Garuda, the feathered carrier of Visnu.
It was from the advaitan perspective of nondualism that Krishna states that he is Arjuna,Veda Vyasa, Shukracharya the lion, the eagle, and so on.
It is ridiculous to use this to state that Krishna is Arjuna, Veda Vyasa or a lion or eagle and so on. Krishna is just teaching Arjuna here that the Self or Brahman is present in all beings, and that Krishna himself is the Self or Brahman.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 9:52:54 GMT
And I forgot, they would have resembled this MARVEL'S RUSSIAN PHENOTYPE ENTRY into their STORIES, KRAVEN THE HUNTER, who in their stories was from aristocratic families. This is EASTERN NORDID, so MARVEL allowed this type of looks also , for integration in RACES.
|
|