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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 7, 2018 19:42:31 GMT
I don't understand. Whites could be pure evil and some shouldn't even exist like Hitler and Stalin. So how are whites elite or considered to be? People are just people. ...black, white, brown, and blue with Mohawks. Shrug
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 9, 2019 17:13:06 GMT
I had to do a little background research on you @clovis Merovingian and in your thread "Why do people hate Jews" (which by the way grammatically is incorrect because not ALL PEOPLE hate Jews) in that thread you said: " I hate racism." Yet in this thread you said: " African Americans are always asking for an honest conversation on race, but they don't actually want one. To them, an "honest conversation on race" is "I can never get ahead in this evil society; I will always be poor because the racist white devil will always hold me back." I told myself I wouldn't engage in this ignorance but I feel this is a teachable moment. Now, you claim to hate racism but the above highlighted in red is clearly a racist statement because it presumes the stereotype that we African-Americans have a black nationalist mentality. It also presumes that the African American community lacks accountability ironic considering there are many criminal acts done by our white counterparts and usually the subject of mental health tends to come up (talk about accountability!). You also said: " Asians and Jews value intellectualism, hard work, self-control, and law-abidingness in their culture and are regarded by and treated by whites accordingly. African Americans, on the other hand, are over-represented in just about every negative indicator that one can measure from violent horrible crime (murders, rapes, burglaries), to high school dropouts, to unemployment, to premarital teen pregnancy, to fatherlessness, to you name it." For the record Jews are people that adhere to Judaism, it is not classified as an ethnic group. If you held a job in your life and judging by the fact that you're a southerner so that is a big fact NO! (Oh am I stereotyping?) when filling out an application the job may ask what your ethnicity is and "Jew" is not among the options to choose just point out that fact for you. In addition to your remark, you act like Asians aren't in poverty, commit crimes, or do not develop gangs. You know how many Asian gangs there are in the state of California? There are a lot that commit crimes, a lot tends to be white collard, but they do commit crimes. Your comment also presumes black people do not value the aforementioned things you mentioned in regards to the positive things of the Asian culture. There are roughly over 44 million African-Americans in the United States and I doubt you know even roughly a percent of that. What you see about us is through media, stereotypes and your surroundings. I've never met you in my life and this is our first encounter and right now we are on a bad start. To be 25 years old and that ignorant is pretty sad. What a sad individual you are and you sound sad talking about the "woe is me and the south and how poor we are down here." I find it down right sad that you hold those views at 25 years old. I suggest registering for college and actually go on the college campus and looking at the many black students striving for a college education or to get out period! Your view of the world is very small and its quite sad that, that is what you think. Yes, I do hate racism, but I also believe in telling the truth regardless of how other's receive it. You've called me a white supremacist for this statement. "No, a truly honest conversation on race would regard African Americans cleaning their own house. Graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, get and keep an honest job, commit no crimes, work hard, don't do drugs, stay with your wife and raise your child, do not react at every perceived slight with violence (society will not tolerate it, see video below made by a black cartoonist), and focus on your education and shoot high."
This shows that you don't know what a white supremacist is. Someone who is actually a white supremacist would say that black people are on average poorer, overly represented in crime, unemployment, fatherlessness, and other indicators because they are genetically and racially inferior. In other words, it's in your genes to be less intelligent and more violent. It is of my belief on the other hand that black people and African Americans are every bit as smart as white people, Asians, Jews (they actually ARE and ethnic group as well as a religion, claiming they aren't is just weird) or any other race, just that they have certain counterproductive cultural values that hold them back. I am not the only one that says this and all of the people saying this are not white. Thomas Sowell, Candice Owens, Walter Williams, Larry Elder, Jesse Lee Peterson, and a TON of other black people are saying this. Are they white supremacists? Now you keep talking about the problems with southerners completely ignoring the irony here. White southerners are generally poorer, more violent, overrepresented in fatherlessness, drug use, and all the other same problems as African Americans for the same reason African Americans are, cultural reasons. We have the same cultural problems you have as I mentioned in my post. "As a southerner, our people have the exact same problems. When I talked about the bigotry against southerners earlier I did not mean to imply that those stereotypes fell from the sky either only that I come from a white group that is regarded in a similar way as yours are for a similar reason. Thomas Sowell's black redneck theory theorizes that black Americans receive these cultural traits from the southern whites that enslaved them. That video will also be linked below." Thomas Sowell (a black intellectual) has, in fact, theorized that the black ghetto culture which holds African Americans back was inherited from the southern whites who enslaved them (video below.) As for your statement that I do not know many blacks and only see stereotypes on the news and what not; that is absolutely preposterous. Blacks make up roughly half of the population of where I live. I went to school with a ton of blacks and was the only white kid in the mostly black classes. I see and interact with blacks to some degree on a day to day basis. As for going to college and meeting blacks that do value their education; I am currently in college at the moment getting a second degree and I am in class with many blacks that do value their education and do work hard. God bless them and God bless anyone who does that. My criticism does not apply to them, my criticism is of the black ghetto culture and those blacks that partake in it that cause African Americans on average to be overrepresented in negative indicators such as crime, violence, poverty, fatherlessness etc.
When I am talking about certain ethnic groups, I am talking about averages. I am not saying that every individual in that ethnic group fits that stereotype. I am a southerner. I am middle class, educated, not addicted to drugs, and am not particularly violent. This doesn't mean that on average southerners aren't poorer, more violent, less educated, more likely to be fatherless, more likely to commit crimes etc than other white groups.
Every criticism of the behavior of African Americans is not racism. If you keep calling out people who point out these pathologies and shut them down as racist, the problem is not going to be solved, it will only get worse. I actually want African Americans to succeed in this society. I actually want the biases and negative conceptions against them to go away. The way that I believe that this can best be achieved is for them to clean their own house.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 9, 2019 17:39:43 GMT
When I said to quit fighting your own people it means to not fight people of different skin color since we're actually from one color. That's all. Which is the wrong way to observe the subject. In fact, my history and my parent's parent's parent's parent's history says other wise. I exist as an African-American, society has made me aware that my skin pigmentation matters and that I am different in this regards. I have to exist on this earth with that in mind. Why? Who's forcing you to live that way? Just seems you are by those you let influence you. :(
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 9, 2019 17:48:45 GMT
Y'all know that skin color is based on how much a region is exposed to the sun so in reality with equal amount of sun we are identical in skin color, dudes and others. So quit fighting your own people. Color skin is the result of ancestry, not of the Sun. White men had white bleach and flour as their ancestors, yellow men descendant from lemons and yellow fruits, red men came from the valley of lipsticks, brown people descendant from potatoes, black people came from fructus mumes and black beans, and purple people descendant from violet candies. your explanation sounds more entertaining and funny. How do you think this article will react to it? XD www.medicaldaily.com/human-evolution-skin-tones-sun-exposure-373972
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 9, 2019 18:10:22 GMT
Color skin is the result of ancestry, not of the Sun. White men had white bleach and flour as their ancestors, yellow men descendant from lemons and yellow fruits, red men came from the valley of lipsticks, brown people descendant from potatoes, black people came from fructus mumes and black beans, and purple people descendant from violet candies. your explanation sounds more entertaining and funny. How do you think this article will react to it? XD www.medicaldaily.com/human-evolution-skin-tones-sun-exposure-373972Дякую! Дуже приємно бачити, коли ти використовуєш смайлики у відповідях XD Well, what can I say here? The article sounds scientific. But one text sounds as a journalistic article, while another one sounds artistic, and another one is written funny (like mine)... it's a matter of a view angle. We can't be sure what type of a text is closer to us. That's why a linked text I may read as an article that has been written by some undercover aliens. Funny one seems to me more suitable. It can break the walls of confusion and breath some freshness to a lack of understanding between races and nations. I do not like any stakes (conflicts) between neither races, nor nations; it's stupid to argue about 'privileges'. As Steve Maran (a popularisator of Astronomy) said "It would be very helpful for an astronomer to watch names engraved on the stars, to not confuse a star with another one", so here's the same - there's no names that were written on our skin or bones to see "who's better", and "who's not". As Hume and Kant both proved that it's impossible to conclude logically from a posteriori (i.e. from an experience) argument about any values; we can't establish any privileges according to, for example, sports results or best gamer abilities. We can say that this specific person P is better than another specific person Q in some situation S in time T, but it means that it allows us to conclude this using abstraction thinking (so, we can use such patterns as a mirror for further mind operations). (By the way, here's an explanation why Kant has proclaimed his famous "categorical imperative".)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 18:56:26 GMT
Before I say something, is this discussion about American society, or about world in general?
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 19:39:02 GMT
anaxagorasAd hominems aren’t a good way to get your point across. Yet he is allowed to make a broad sweeping generalization which i highlighted in red regarding African-Americans which I would consider an ad hominem attack on me? Oh the double standard! It was not only a racist post but it was a direct insult.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 9, 2019 21:00:54 GMT
Before I say something, is this discussion about American society, or about world in general? The world in general. How this is seen for everyone everywhere.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 9, 2019 21:26:40 GMT
anaxagorasAd hominems aren’t a good way to get your point across. Yet he is allowed to make a broad sweeping generalization which i highlighted in red regarding African-Americans which I would consider an ad hominem attack on me? Oh the double standard! It was not only a racist post but it was a direct insult. You believe two wrongs make a right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:29:05 GMT
Okay, I just had an expression that it's about America.
So I have to respond simply: they are not. Generally speaking. All this issues with "racism" or supposed racism are alien to me and many other people from Europe. I don't think that any other language than English have invented such a term as "N-word" to censor already existing word. Sometimes I wonder if in the Anglosphere the country between Chad and Mali is called "Niger" on the maps or "N-word".
I don't think people here bother with thinking about who is elite and who is not, but most likely the successful people are main candidates.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 21:59:17 GMT
Yet he is allowed to make a broad sweeping generalization which i highlighted in red regarding African-Americans which I would consider an ad hominem attack on me? Oh the double standard! It was not only a racist post but it was a direct insult. You believe two wrongs make a right? Has nothing to do with two wrongs...When he made his comment prior to mine I didn't see you jumping on him? Oh yes, because you and I disagree on the issue. I get it, I'm the only black dude here with the divisive opinion (and the only rational one at that), but I'm not going to sit here and let broad sweeping generalizations be done about me with some stranger who hasn't accomplished what I have say thing he does not know.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 22:01:33 GMT
Which is the wrong way to observe the subject. In fact, my history and my parent's parent's parent's parent's history says other wise. I exist as an African-American, society has made me aware that my skin pigmentation matters and that I am different in this regards. I have to exist on this earth with that in mind. Why? Who's forcing you to live that way? Just seems you are by those you let influence you. :( Nobody is forcing anyone to live anyway, I'm telling you how I've become to observe my world. It doesn't mean i'm a victim of it, it makes me aware.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 22:06:47 GMT
@clovis I'm going to dissect and destroy your argument but first let me fine on this nice chicken quesadilla and watch some television.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 9, 2019 22:19:40 GMT
You believe two wrongs make a right? Has nothing to do with two wrongs...When he made his comment prior to mine I didn't see you jumping on him? Oh yes, because you and I disagree on the issue. I get it, I'm the only black dude here with the divisive opinion (and the only rational one at that), but I'm not going to sit here and let broad sweeping generalizations be done about me with some stranger who hasn't accomplished what I have say thing he does not know. "but I'm not going to sit here and let broad sweeping generalizations be done about me with some stranger" Isn't that what you're doing by claiming "white privilege"?
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 22:23:10 GMT
Has nothing to do with two wrongs...When he made his comment prior to mine I didn't see you jumping on him? Oh yes, because you and I disagree on the issue. I get it, I'm the only black dude here with the divisive opinion (and the only rational one at that), but I'm not going to sit here and let broad sweeping generalizations be done about me with some stranger who hasn't accomplished what I have say thing he does not know. "but I'm not going to sit here and let broad sweeping generalizations be done about me with some stranger" Isn't that what you're doing by claiming "white privilege"? No. Because I've shown as a system it is real. Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you as well cause you have shown you don't like facts. Now the discussion has changed to wanting to talk about what "my people need to do to gain respectability." I see I've stumbled upon a website filled with people that have some racial prejudices, one being racist among them.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 9, 2019 22:30:54 GMT
@clovis I'm going to dissect and destroy your argument but first let me fine on this nice chicken quesadilla and watch some television. If you show me that I am wrong then I am willing to admit it. I have done so in other debates with other people on this site so show me what you have to say so that I can consider it. However, you have consider the facts. 77% of black children are born to unwed mothers as well as other problems mentioned in the article. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure It's Wikipedia but its sourced at the bottom of the page. Blacks graduate high school at lower rates than whites and Asians and at a little lower rates than Hispanics. www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-high-school-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.htmlBlacks overrepresented in homicide rates. According to CDC. www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680The FBI Uniform Crime report shows that whites do indeed commit most of the crimes because they are 72% of the population or 61% (depending on whether you count Hispanics) however blacks are only 13 0r 14% of the population but commit crimes way out of proportion to their population. Whites make up about 69% of adult arrests but blacks make up 26% of adult arrests. For juveniles, 63% were white and over half of that amount 34% were black. (61% of the population vs. 14%, about a sixth of the population of black juveniles as there are whites, are arrested compared to a population which makes up 60% of the population of the United States at over half their rates.) Of adults arrested for murder 52.1 percent were black (that is over half of the murders) and of juveniles arrested for violent crime blacks were 53% ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
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