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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 7, 2018 19:42:31 GMT
I don't understand. Whites could be pure evil and some shouldn't even exist like Hitler and Stalin. So how are whites elite or considered to be? People are just people. ...black, white, brown, and blue with Mohawks. Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 6, 2019 16:26:27 GMT
I think what this thread is really showing is that some people can look at everything in history as a whole and realize that evil people have put themselves in positions to have a special right, advantage, or immunity granted to them... but there are some people out there who want to guilt trip a specific group of people into thinking they have a special right, advantage, or immunity granted to them over everyone else because of things that happened in the past that have nothing to do with them. But this isn't about everyone. Again you're using the "whataboutism" argument and this thread isn't about what everyone else did. Your continual denial is the reason why racism persist in the United States and why blacks find very few white allies. Let me answer the OP then; the reason white people are thought of as elite is because there are individuals who try to use past incidents in history, in where some white skinned individuals exploited, harmed, and/or killed people of other skin colors, to try to guilt trip all white individuals into believing they are somehow inherently responsible for these incidents and trick them into believing they have an invisible inherent privilege(with no seemingly obvious advantage) while in reality they had literally nothing to do with these incidents. In reality, each person is an individual responsible for their own actions, not the actions of their neighbor, their relatives, or anyone else in the distant past. There is no proof of or evidence of an apparent inherent “privilege” people of white skin have, it is only implicated.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 6, 2019 16:29:53 GMT
You didn't read science articles that we get our skin color based on sun exposure? So if we all got the same sun amount then we'd look all the same. What does that have to do with the discussion you created? I'm quite aware of the evolutionary model of how humans became to have different pigmentations. This is not what is being discussed here, but it is ever so frustrating to come into contact with members here of the denial of certain cultural advantages whites have. We can talk about European standards of beauty alone for days and discuss the implied privileges whites have regarding that. But talking about the evolutionary model is off base is this thread.
You said:"So quit fighting your own people"
With all due respect, Caucasians are not "my people" in the cultural sense and although we all belong to the same species, my experiences and the culture to which I derive from is different.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 6, 2019 16:31:03 GMT
But this isn't about everyone. Again you're using the "whataboutism" argument and this thread isn't about what everyone else did. Your continual denial is the reason why racism persist in the United States and why blacks find very few white allies. Let me answer the OP then; the reason white people are thought of as elite is because there are individuals who try to use past incidents in history, in where some white skinned individuals exploited, harmed, and/or killed people of other skin colors, to try to guilt trip all white individuals into believing they are somehow inherently responsible for these incidents and trick them into believing they have an invisible inherent privilege(with no seemingly obvious advantage) while in reality they had literally nothing to do with these incidents. In reality, each person is an individual responsible for their own actions, not the actions of their neighbor, their relatives, or anyone else in the distant past. There is no proof of or evidence of an apparent inherent “privilege” people of white skin have, it is only implicated. Now your rant is sounding like the equivalent of a toddler....Ok, I'm done. When you're ready to have a discussion on an academic level that is mature then we can talk. You're offended that I can supply both past and present examples of white privilege. My presentation was to give you all the historical background of white privilege and its residual influences. You, are giving me anecdotal examples which is not reflective of today. I personally don't care about anecdotes, I care about facts. The fact is I'm referring to the residual effects of laws that still have an effect on us today. Now, I understand you're close minded and not open to these facts that I presented and now you sound offended. Now the result is the above rant. Your "whataboutism" argument is a failure and in fact that failure is a direct result of the cognitive dissonance you're displaying here.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 6, 2019 16:51:42 GMT
Let me answer the OP then; the reason white people are thought of as elite is because there are individuals who try to use past incidents in history, in where some white skinned individuals exploited, harmed, and/or killed people of other skin colors, to try to guilt trip all white individuals into believing they are somehow inherently responsible for these incidents and trick them into believing they have an invisible inherent privilege(with no seemingly obvious advantage) while in reality they had literally nothing to do with these incidents. In reality, each person is an individual responsible for their own actions, not the actions of their neighbor, their relatives, or anyone else in the distant past. There is no proof of or evidence of an apparent inherent “privilege” people of white skin have, it is only implicated. Now your rant is sounding like the equivalent of a toddler....Ok, I'm done. When you're ready to have a discussion on an academic level that is mature then we can talk. You're offended that I can supply both past and present examples of white privilege. My presentation was to give you all the historical background of white privilege and its residual influences. You, are giving me anecdotal examples which is not reflective of today. I personally don't care about anecdotes, I care about facts. The fact is I'm referring to the residual effects of laws that still have an effect on us today. Now, I understand you're close minded and not open to these facts that I presented and now you sound offended. Now the result is the above rant. Your "whataboutism" argument is a failure and in fact that failure is a direct result of the cognitive dissonance you're displaying here. What you supplied weren’t examples of “white privilege” they were examples of incidents in where people of white skin took advantage of others. An open-minded analysis of history as a whole(not just the closed study of terrible things white people did) reveals that these kinds of incidents happen to all, by all. The incidents themselves aren’t proof or evidence of an inherent privilege defined as “a built-in advantage, separate from one’s level of income or effort.” The advantage was never defined, and if it is defined as white people having immunity to committing racist acts against others, I guarantee you that if I or anyone else decides to conduct any of the examples you have used here to support your implication, that myself or another who commits the act would be severely punished.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 6, 2019 18:18:51 GMT
You didn't read science articles that we get our skin color based on sun exposure? So if we all got the same sun amount then we'd look all the same. What does that have to do with the discussion you created? I'm quite aware of the evolutionary model of how humans became to have different pigmentations. This is not what is being discussed here, but it is ever so frustrating to come into contact with members here of the denial of certain cultural advantages whites have. We can talk about European standards of beauty alone for days and discuss the implied privileges whites have regarding that. But talking about the evolutionary model is off base is this thread.
You said:"So quit fighting your own people"
With all due respect, Caucasians are not "my people" in the cultural sense and although we all belong to the same species, my experiences and the culture to which I derive from is different.
When I said to quit fighting your own people it means to not fight people of different skin color since we're actually from one color. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 18:36:22 GMT
Its somewhat a social status, the word elite isn't the right adjective imho
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 6, 2019 19:40:21 GMT
" You've made my argument for me." No I haven't, but before I respond further consider nobody is hospitable enough to tell a new comer how to break posts down individual using the quote system I have to manually quote you in boldI can deny none of this and believe all of it is true and white privilege will still be a fairytale.Of course you deny white privilege to be a fairytale. What you've stated is that in fact there used to be legalized white privilege in the form of segregation and immigration controls but African Americans marched and worked to end it in 1970. And now because of their efforts, BLACK PEOPLE from Nigeria, the Caribbean, and other Sub-Saharan African countries live better, make more money, and all around more successful than white Americans who supposedly have all the privilege in this supposedly anti-black white supremacist society.False. I gave you the historical blueprint how immigrants from different countries came over here and have since became successful. Remember, not all immigrants are doctors, lawyers, or any other affluent professional. All Nigerians are not successful and considering they have a low population in the United States, of course you may find some successful Nigerians, Asians, and other members of the immigrant community who come to the United States. But on matters of being affluent and matters of power who is still the most revered class of people? Caucasians. The top 1% are still white. You still have white owners of major sports teams. You still have Eurocentric standards of beauty even today. So regards of which successful migrant community you'd like to point out, white is still the standard of beauty and success. If anyone should benefit from white privilege it would be the whites in my state. And yet the whites in my state are poor. Same with pretty much every other former slave state. Look, and I'm really tired of repeating myself here so I'll just leave this quote to help you understand white privilege: "And white privilege is not the assumption that everything a white person has accomplished is unearned; most white people who have reached a high level of success worked extremely hard to get there. Instead, white privilege should be viewed as a built-in advantage, separate from one’s level of income or effort." Source:https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really I am a southerner.Of course you are, which is why I'm not surprised at your responses. On top of that unlike blacks or any other minority, we are actually an acceptable target for bigotry and ethnic slurs by the rest of the nation. The terms, "redneck", "hillbilly", "white trash," "cousin ****er", are thrown around by everyone white, black, Asian, what have you like it is nothing. The term "racist redneck," is used unironically.You have to excuse all the dead souls who were robbed of their culture, language, tradition, families, country, pride, religion, tribe, and dignity, if they're not shedding one tear for you. Now if I were to say the words ni.gger, s.pic, chin.k, ki.ke, or even Wo.p, (I have to put a period on those words because they might be censored by the board), I would immediately be shamed by society.As you should because those words were not just words that were spoken, but were used to harm people over the course of centuries not on some online chat forum but in real life where people lost their lives in a system of white supremacy. I can still feel the fire of the burning cross from the story my mother told me regarding how the klan chased my grand-father out of his home. Despite what you seem to think racism against blacks is actually very taboo in our society and saying the N-word is a worse taboo than blaspheming God.We do not live in a post racial society and for certain according to some of my colleagues the south is very much racist which is why I refuse to go there less I go to jail. Some of my white colleagues from the south most notably Virginia and some from Alabama tell me there are still places in these states where they're still just as racist. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. There are still segregated places and perhaps to those people they don't see a problem because they're segregated. But that doesn't mean that there is no problem. where the whites live in broken down trailers, are addicted to meth, and can't even read.Sounds like a personal problem.Finally, I give you a simple challenge. Prove empirically that white privilege exists.Which proof would you like past or present? Show me the law, show me the institution, show me anything that shows that our societal structure is biased against blacks.Sounds like you have some cognitive dissonance going on here. The thread is about showing white elitism. I've done that. Now you want me to show how society is against blacks. Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. How about this because in the interest of discussion and to prevent wasting your time and mine, how about I give you an article which is seven pages. It was written by a white woman who talks about white privilege. I'll give you the link: www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/mcintosh.pdf When you're done come back and we can discuss this in conjunction to real world examples I can supply. I read that woman's list and it was a very mixed bag and can be divided into three categories. Category 1. Laughably retarded statements (I got flesh colored bandaid privilege !) 2. white culture is dominant, white history is dominant, and you have to spend time around white people because this is a Western majority white country founded by white people. (if I lived in Barbados these things would be true of me in relation to the black majority there as well. This doesn't mean that they have unfair, unearned, racist, immoral privilege) And 3. There are a lot of negative assumptions made on behalf of society toward African Americans (the ethnic group not the black race) that can cause them great discomfort and unfairness toward them in the way they are sometimes treated. The first two categories are obviously ridiculous and the third I genuinely sympathize with. I think it's terrible when people judge individuals based on negative assumptions they have about another person's race. However, there is an obvious problem in your list and that is that all of these articles pertain to African Americans. Why is it that say... Asians or Jews, or Indian Americans don't seem to run into these problems. No one looks at a Chinese person or Jew and hears them cursing, wearing second-hand clothes, or sees their financial irresponsibility and thinks it reflects on their whole race, or gives them traffic tickets, or are taught to mistrust them because they are thought to be more likely to be thieves, or murders, or criminals. If an Asian or a Jew moves into a white neighborhood the white man is not going to "white flight" away from them. The reason for this is that Asians and Jews are stereotyped as intelligent, hardworking, not dangerous, as you put it "model minorities" (even though I hate that term as whites certainly don't think in such terms and that term is usually only used by race-baiting leftists with a chip on their shoulder but I digress.) In my experience Sub Saharan Africans despite being black are not stereotyped by whites with these negative qualities, its only African Americans. My point is that that these stereotypes didn't drop from the friggin sky. They come from the cultures of these respective groups. Asians and Jews value intellectualism, hard work, self-control, and law-abidingness in their culture and are regarded by and treated by whites accordingly. African Americans, on the other hand, are over-represented in just about every negative indicator that one can measure from violent horrible crime (murders, rapes, burglaries), to high school dropouts, to unemployment, to premarital teen pregnancy, to fatherlessness, to you name it. Jews and Asians were treated like crap in American history as well yet somehow they manage to be highly regarded by whites today and are more successful on average than whites in their own country. African Americans are always asking for an honest conversation on race, but they don't actually want one. To them, an "honest conversation on race" is "I can never get ahead in this evil society; I will always be poor because the racist white devil will always hold me back." No, a truly honest conversation on race would regard African Americans cleaning their own house. Graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, get and keep an honest job, commit no crimes, work hard, don't do drugs, stay with your wife and raise your child, do not react at every perceived slight with violence (society will not tolerate it, see video below made by a black cartoonist), and focus on your education and shoot high. Asians and Jews do this all the time as well as successful whites. As your people's respectability improves your image will improve as well. As a southerner, our people have the exact same problems. When I talked about the bigotry against southerners earlier I did not mean to imply that those stereotypes fell from the sky either only that I come from a white group that is regarded in a similar way as yours are for a similar reason. Thomas Sowell's black redneck theory theorizes that black Americans receive these cultural traits from the southern whites that enslaved them. That video will also be linked below.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 9:34:52 GMT
What does that have to do with the discussion you created? I'm quite aware of the evolutionary model of how humans became to have different pigmentations. This is not what is being discussed here, but it is ever so frustrating to come into contact with members here of the denial of certain cultural advantages whites have. We can talk about European standards of beauty alone for days and discuss the implied privileges whites have regarding that. But talking about the evolutionary model is off base is this thread.
You said:"So quit fighting your own people"
With all due respect, Caucasians are not "my people" in the cultural sense and although we all belong to the same species, my experiences and the culture to which I derive from is different.
When I said to quit fighting your own people it means to not fight people of different skin color since we're actually from one color. That's all. Which is the wrong way to observe the subject. In fact, my history and my parent's parent's parent's parent's history says other wise. I exist as an African-American, society has made me aware that my skin pigmentation matters and that I am different in this regards. I have to exist on this earth with that in mind.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 9:38:22 GMT
I read that woman's list and it was a very mixed bag and can be divided into three categories. Category 1. Laughably retarded statements (I got flesh colored bandaid privilege !) 2. white culture is dominant, white history is dominant, and you have to spend time around white people because this is a Western majority white country founded by white people. (if I lived in Barbados these things would be true of me in relation to the black majority there as well. This doesn't mean that they have unfair, unearned, racist, immoral privilege) And 3. There are a lot of negative assumptions made on behalf of society toward African Americans (the ethnic group not the black race) that can cause them great discomfort and unfairness toward them in the way they are sometimes treated. The first two categories are obviously ridiculous and the third I genuinely sympathize with. I think it's terrible when people judge individuals based on negative assumptions they have about another person's race. However, there is an obvious problem in your list and that is that all of these articles pertain to African Americans. Why is it that say... Asians or Jews, or Indian Americans don't seem to run into these problems. No one looks at a Chinese person or Jew and hears them cursing, wearing second-hand clothes, or sees their financial irresponsibility and thinks it reflects on their whole race, or gives them traffic tickets, or are taught to mistrust them because they are thought to be more likely to be thieves, or murders, or criminals. If an Asian or a Jew moves into a white neighborhood the white man is not going to "white flight" away from them. The reason for this is that Asians and Jews are stereotyped as intelligent, hardworking, not dangerous, as you put it "model minorities" (even though I hate that term as whites certainly don't think in such terms and that term is usually only used by race-baiting leftists with a chip on their shoulder but I digress.) In my experience Sub Saharan Africans despite being black are not stereotyped by whites with these negative qualities, its only African Americans. My point is that that these stereotypes didn't drop from the friggin sky. They come from the cultures of these respective groups. Asians and Jews value intellectualism, hard work, self-control, and law-abidingness in their culture and are regarded by and treated by whites accordingly. African Americans, on the other hand, are over-represented in just about every negative indicator that one can measure from violent horrible crime (murders, rapes, burglaries), to high school dropouts, to unemployment, to premarital teen pregnancy, to fatherlessness, to you name it. Jews and Asians were treated like crap in American history as well yet somehow they manage to be highly regarded by whites today and are more successful on average than whites in their own country. African Americans are always asking for an honest conversation on race, but they don't actually want one. To them, an "honest conversation on race" is "I can never get ahead in this evil society; I will always be poor because the racist white devil will always hold me back." No, a truly honest conversation on race would regard African Americans cleaning their own house. Graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, get and keep an honest job, commit no crimes, work hard, don't do drugs, stay with your wife and raise your child, do not react at every perceived slight with violence (society will not tolerate it, see video below made by a black cartoonist), and focus on your education and shoot high. Asians and Jews do this all the time as well as successful whites. As your people's respectability improves your image will improve as well. As a southerner, our people have the exact same problems. When I talked about the bigotry against southerners earlier I did not mean to imply that those stereotypes fell from the sky either only that I come from a white group that is regarded in a similar way as yours are for a similar reason. Thomas Sowell's black redneck theory theorizes that black Americans receive these cultural traits from the southern whites that enslaved them. That video will also be linked below. I seriously don't like going in circles and clearly you have your mind made up on something that isn't reflective of reality. Especially when you make comments like the following: "As your people's respectability improves your image will improve as well." or " No, a truly honest conversation on race would regard African Americans cleaning their own house. Graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, get and keep an honest job, commit no crimes, work hard, don't do drugs, stay with your wife and raise your child, do not react at every perceived slight with violence (society will not tolerate it, see video below made by a black cartoonist), and focus on your education and shoot high." The above ( red) is most certainly a white supremacist talking point. I could go bar for bar talking about the dregs among the Caucasian population (you being among them) but I wont go low like that. I don't need to entertain someone who lives in the rectum of the United States called "The South" tell me about my people's respectability. If people here have the same mentality as yours my presence here will be short.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 9:45:51 GMT
Its somewhat a social status, the word elite isn't the right adjective imho How interesting that you post something so ignorant (but not surprising) coming from a seemingly whiny Facebook group called "Angry White Woman."
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 9, 2019 11:55:50 GMT
Y'all know that skin color is based on how much a region is exposed to the sun so in reality with equal amount of sun we are identical in skin color, dudes and others. So quit fighting your own people. Color skin is the result of ancestry, not of the Sun. White men had white bleach and flour as their ancestors, yellow men descendant from lemons and yellow fruits, red men came from the valley of lipsticks, brown people descendant from potatoes, black people came from fructus mumes and black beans, and purple people descendant from violet candies.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 9, 2019 14:00:52 GMT
I read that woman's list and it was a very mixed bag and can be divided into three categories. Category 1. Laughably retarded statements (I got flesh colored bandaid privilege !) 2. white culture is dominant, white history is dominant, and you have to spend time around white people because this is a Western majority white country founded by white people. (if I lived in Barbados these things would be true of me in relation to the black majority there as well. This doesn't mean that they have unfair, unearned, racist, immoral privilege) And 3. There are a lot of negative assumptions made on behalf of society toward African Americans (the ethnic group not the black race) that can cause them great discomfort and unfairness toward them in the way they are sometimes treated. The first two categories are obviously ridiculous and the third I genuinely sympathize with. I think it's terrible when people judge individuals based on negative assumptions they have about another person's race. However, there is an obvious problem in your list and that is that all of these articles pertain to African Americans. Why is it that say... Asians or Jews, or Indian Americans don't seem to run into these problems. No one looks at a Chinese person or Jew and hears them cursing, wearing second-hand clothes, or sees their financial irresponsibility and thinks it reflects on their whole race, or gives them traffic tickets, or are taught to mistrust them because they are thought to be more likely to be thieves, or murders, or criminals. If an Asian or a Jew moves into a white neighborhood the white man is not going to "white flight" away from them. The reason for this is that Asians and Jews are stereotyped as intelligent, hardworking, not dangerous, as you put it "model minorities" (even though I hate that term as whites certainly don't think in such terms and that term is usually only used by race-baiting leftists with a chip on their shoulder but I digress.) In my experience Sub Saharan Africans despite being black are not stereotyped by whites with these negative qualities, its only African Americans. My point is that that these stereotypes didn't drop from the friggin sky. They come from the cultures of these respective groups. Asians and Jews value intellectualism, hard work, self-control, and law-abidingness in their culture and are regarded by and treated by whites accordingly. African Americans, on the other hand, are over-represented in just about every negative indicator that one can measure from violent horrible crime (murders, rapes, burglaries), to high school dropouts, to unemployment, to premarital teen pregnancy, to fatherlessness, to you name it. Jews and Asians were treated like crap in American history as well yet somehow they manage to be highly regarded by whites today and are more successful on average than whites in their own country. African Americans are always asking for an honest conversation on race, but they don't actually want one. To them, an "honest conversation on race" is "I can never get ahead in this evil society; I will always be poor because the racist white devil will always hold me back." No, a truly honest conversation on race would regard African Americans cleaning their own house. Graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, get and keep an honest job, commit no crimes, work hard, don't do drugs, stay with your wife and raise your child, do not react at every perceived slight with violence (society will not tolerate it, see video below made by a black cartoonist), and focus on your education and shoot high. Asians and Jews do this all the time as well as successful whites. As your people's respectability improves your image will improve as well. As a southerner, our people have the exact same problems. When I talked about the bigotry against southerners earlier I did not mean to imply that those stereotypes fell from the sky either only that I come from a white group that is regarded in a similar way as yours are for a similar reason. Thomas Sowell's black redneck theory theorizes that black Americans receive these cultural traits from the southern whites that enslaved them. That video will also be linked below. I seriously don't like going in circles and clearly you have your mind made up on something that isn't reflective of reality. Especially when you make comments like the following: "As your people's respectability improves your image will improve as well." or " No, a truly honest conversation on race would regard African Americans cleaning their own house. Graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, get and keep an honest job, commit no crimes, work hard, don't do drugs, stay with your wife and raise your child, do not react at every perceived slight with violence (society will not tolerate it, see video below made by a black cartoonist), and focus on your education and shoot high." The above ( red) is most certainly a white supremacist talking point. I could go bar for bar talking about the dregs among the Caucasian population (you being among them) but I wont go low like that. I don't need to entertain someone who lives in the rectum of the United States called "The South" tell me about my people's respectability. If people here have the same mentality as yours my presence here will be short. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 14:57:40 GMT
I seriously don't like going in circles and clearly you have your mind made up on something that isn't reflective of reality. Especially when you make comments like the following: "As your people's respectability improves your image will improve as well." or " No, a truly honest conversation on race would regard African Americans cleaning their own house. Graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, get and keep an honest job, commit no crimes, work hard, don't do drugs, stay with your wife and raise your child, do not react at every perceived slight with violence (society will not tolerate it, see video below made by a black cartoonist), and focus on your education and shoot high." The above ( red) is most certainly a white supremacist talking point. I could go bar for bar talking about the dregs among the Caucasian population (you being among them) but I wont go low like that. I don't need to entertain someone who lives in the rectum of the United States called "The South" tell me about my people's respectability. If people here have the same mentality as yours my presence here will be short. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. In time, but I know for certain I've surpassed you in what we call life. I wonder how does it feel to know people like you are dying out (not just from drug usage like meth which, I'm sure as a southerner you're accustomed to), and that people who think like you in 2040 will be a minority? To know that racists such as yourself who've never accomplished anything in life will hold no true power in society, must be frightening huh?
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anaxagoras
Junior Member
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Meta-Ethnicity: Sith Lord
Ethnicity: African-American
Country: United States
Region: California
Location: Los Angeles
Ancestry: African
Taxonomy: Homo Sapien
Y-DNA: Don't know
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Politics: Progressive/Liberal
Religion: Agonistic-Theist
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Hero: Genghis Khan
Age: 36
Philosophy: Kalam
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 15:39:10 GMT
I had to do a little background research on you @clovis Merovingian and in your thread "Why do people hate Jews" (which by the way grammatically is incorrect because not ALL PEOPLE hate Jews) in that thread you said: " I hate racism." Yet in this thread you said:
"African Americans are always asking for an honest conversation on race, but they don't actually want one. To them, an "honest conversation on race" is "I can never get ahead in this evil society; I will always be poor because the racist white devil will always hold me back."
I told myself I wouldn't engage in this ignorance but I feel this is a teachable moment. Now, you claim to hate racism but the above highlighted in red is clearly a racist statement because it presumes the stereotype that we African-Americans have a black nationalist mentality. It also presumes that the African American community lacks accountability ironic considering there are many criminal acts done by our white counterparts and usually the subject of mental health tends to come up (talk about accountability!).
You also said:
"Asians and Jews value intellectualism, hard work, self-control, and law-abidingness in their culture and are regarded by and treated by whites accordingly. African Americans, on the other hand, are over-represented in just about every negative indicator that one can measure from violent horrible crime (murders, rapes, burglaries), to high school dropouts, to unemployment, to premarital teen pregnancy, to fatherlessness, to you name it."
For the record Jews are people that adhere to Judaism, it is not classified as an ethnic group. If you held a job in your life and judging by the fact that you're a southerner so that is a big fact NO! (Oh am I stereotyping?) when filling out an application the job may ask what your ethnicity is and "Jew" is not among the options to choose just point out that fact for you. In addition to your remark, you act like Asians aren't in poverty, commit crimes, or do not develop gangs. You know how many Asian gangs there are in the state of California? There are a lot that commit crimes, a lot tends to be white collard, but they do commit crimes. Your comment also presumes black people do not value the aforementioned things you mentioned in regards to the positive things of the Asian culture.
There are roughly over 44 million African-Americans in the United States and I doubt you know even roughly a percent of that. What you see about us is through media, stereotypes and your surroundings. I've never met you in my life and this is our first encounter and right now we are on a bad start. To be 25 years old and that ignorant is pretty sad. What a sad individual you are and you sound sad talking about the "woe is me and the south and how poor we are down here." I find it down right sad that you hold those views at 25 years old. I suggest registering for college and actually go on the college campus and looking at the many black students striving for a college education or to get out period! Your view of the world is very small and its quite sad that, that is what you think.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 9, 2019 16:05:04 GMT
anaxagorasAd hominems aren’t a good way to get your point across.
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