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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 18, 2018 11:11:15 GMT
Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text. Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the context of the Bible.
Eisegesis is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.
Examples of exegesis and eisegesis I’ve personally seen used in scripture by others;
2 Peter 3:8 KJV [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Eisegesis - each day in the Genesis creation account is actually 1000 years, so God created everything in 6000 years.
Exegesis - God is in and outside of time.
Numbers 14:34 KJV [34] After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Eisegesis - The day/year principle; every time a day is mentioned in scripture it is to be counted as a year.
Exegesis - The children of Israel will wonder the desert every day of the year for 40 years.
Isaiah 14:12-14 KJV [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Eisegesis - Lucifer is Jesus Christ
Exegesis - Lucifer is Satan (Isaiah 14:15 KJV [15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:19-20 KJV [19] But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. [20] Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.)
Psalm 141:2 KJV [2] Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.
Eisegesis - Every time while we pray we are to burn incense.
Exegesis - the word “as” is being used here for simile, so it is the comparison of two unlike things. Many times in the Old Testament incense was burned for an offering to God. Throughout the entire Bible, we never see a single passage that suggests we are to burn incense and pray simultaneously.
(This one is not one I’ve seen used, but was used an example) 2 Chronicles 27:1-2 “Jotham was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem sixteen years. . . . He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father Uzziah had done, but unlike him he did not enter the temple of the LORD.”
Eisegesis - First, the interpreter decides on a topic. Today, it’s “The Importance of Church Attendance.” The interpreter reads 2 Chronicles 27:1-2 and sees that King Jotham was a good king, just like his father Uzziah had been, except for one thing: he didn’t go to the temple! This passage seems to fit his idea, so he uses it. The resulting sermon deals with the need for passing on godly values from one generation to the next. Just because King Uzziah went to the temple every week didn’t mean that his son would continue the practice. In the same way, many young people today tragically turn from their parents’ training, and church attendance drops off. The sermon ends with a question: “How many blessings did Jotham fail to receive, simply because he neglected church?”
Exegesis - First, the interpreter reads the passage and, to fully understand the context, he reads the histories of both Uzziah and Jotham (2 Chronicles 26-27; 2 Kings 15:1-6, 32-38). In his observation, he discovers that King Uzziah was a good king who nevertheless disobeyed the Lord when he went to the temple and offered incense on the altar—something only a priest had the right to do (2 Chronicles 26:16-20). Uzziah’s pride and his contamination of the temple resulted in his having “leprosy until the day he died” (2 Chronicles 26:21).
The processes of eisegesis and exegesis;
The process of exegesis involves, 1) observation: what does the passage say? 2) interpretation: what does the passage mean? 3) correlation: how does the passage relate to the rest of the Bible? and, 4) application: how should this passage affect my life?
Eisegesis, on the other hand, involves, 1) imagination: what idea do I want to present? 2) exploration: what Scripture passage seems to fit with my idea? and, 3) application: what does my idea mean? Notice that, in eisegesis, there is no examination of the words of the text or their relationship to each other, no cross-referencing with related passages, and no real desire to understand the actual meaning. Scripture serves only as a prop to the interpreter’s idea.
When interpreting scripture one of these processes is used. The one that should be used is exegesis. Those who believe in sola scriptura are supposed to use the process of exegesis when reading the scriptures. The process of eisegesis is what leads to false interpretations and false doctrines that we see so prevalent today in so many churches, denominations, and institutions, which ultimately leads to unbelief.
Feel free to share any examples of eisegesis and exegesis that you’ve seen.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 1:38:49 GMT
It's the same thing because sons of God would present themselves to God in the temple. They were only males then because only males were told to enter the temple. But nonetheless they were God's people. That verse says nothing about any temple, it is talking about God laying the foundations of the earth IE creating it while the sons of God sang for joy. Its right there before your eyes in the Bible. I'm using scripture. In Job the sons of God presented themselves before God. Do you know the duties of God's people primarily the males in OT? They had to present themselves before God in the temple. It was their duty. It was a set time and only males who had to do this. Zechariah still did this when an angel appeared to tell him about him having John. Zechariah was there to present himself to God and do his duties in the temple to be accepted.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 1:42:14 GMT
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job:38:7 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? Job:38:8 The stars (angels) and sons of God (God's children) praised God the verses say. 2 distinct beings. Plus, verse says womb..so it's after the creation of people already which is why sons of God are people. No it is saying that the sea broke forth as if it had issued out of the womb. It's using whats called a metaphor. The sea burst forth like water breaking from a woman's womb when a woman's water breaks, easy to understand. Water was created before mankind so this is before mankind. The morning stars and Sons of God is a poetic device where one repeats oneself in a different way used all the time in Hebrew poetry and even modern poetry. The sons of God are are shouting for joy when God was laid the foundations of the earth. God is asking Job where he was when, that is at the time, that God laid the foundations of the earth and the sons of God were shouting for joy. Also you are leaving out the fact that there was only one man even right after god created the earth Adam, and only Adam. Sons is plural. Where did all these other sons come from? r Nooo not what I meant. I meant that stuff was created already as in people too. The sea and everything on the earth. 6 days of creation was totally done. First sons of God were Adam and Eve as in children. But after sin entered the only sons of God to present themselves were males before God later on. At least when temples were created since sons of God met there. But overall sons of God were God's children always.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:44:16 GMT
That verse says nothing about any temple, it is talking about God laying the foundations of the earth IE creating it while the sons of God sang for joy. Its right there before your eyes in the Bible. I'm using scripture. In Job the sons of God presented themselves before God. Do you know the duties of God's people primarily the males in OT? They had to present themselves before God in the temple. It was their duty. It was a set time and only males who had to do this. Zechariah still did this when an angel appeared to tell him about him having John. Zechariah was there to present himself to God and do his duties in the temple to be accepted. I'm using scripture too, in it's original language. The term used for sons of god elsewhere is not the same term used in Job in Genesis. The term used in Gensis and Job is B'nai ha Elohim only used thee times in the entire bible, to the verse we are debating in Genesis who mated withe daughters of men and produced giants, the meeting of the heavenly counsil in Job, and to the sons of God shouting for joy at the same time as God was laying the foundations of the earth. www.fallenangels-ckquarterman.com/who-were-the-benehaelohim-were-they-fallen-angels/ Be sure to read it all.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:47:41 GMT
No it is saying that the sea broke forth as if it had issued out of the womb. It's using whats called a metaphor. The sea burst forth like water breaking from a woman's womb when a woman's water breaks, easy to understand. Water was created before mankind so this is before mankind. The morning stars and Sons of God is a poetic device where one repeats oneself in a different way used all the time in Hebrew poetry and even modern poetry. The sons of God are are shouting for joy when God was laid the foundations of the earth. God is asking Job where he was when, that is at the time, that God laid the foundations of the earth and the sons of God were shouting for joy. Also you are leaving out the fact that there was only one man even right after god created the earth Adam, and only Adam. Sons is plural. Where did all these other sons come from? r Nooo not what I meant. I meant that stuff was created already as in people too. The sea and everything on the earth. 6 days of creation was totally done. First sons of God were Adam and Eve as in children. But after sin entered the only sons of God to present themselves were males before God later on. At least when temples were created since sons of God met there. But overall sons of God were God's children always. No everything was not created as the verse clearly says that the sons of god shouted for joy while god was laying the foundations of the earth. The earth wasn't completed, in fact God was laying its foundations. A foundation is the very base of a project, it is laid first before everything else. If God was laying the earths foundations than the earth was not near completed.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 20, 2018 1:52:34 GMT
r Nooo not what I meant. I meant that stuff was created already as in people too. The sea and everything on the earth. 6 days of creation was totally done. First sons of God were Adam and Eve as in children. But after sin entered the only sons of God to present themselves were males before God later on. At least when temples were created since sons of God met there. But overall sons of God were God's children always. No everything was not created as the verse clearly says that the sons of god shouted for joy while god was laying the foundations of the earth. The earth wasn't completed, in fact God was laying its foundations. A foundation is the very base of a project, it is laid first before everything else. If God was laying the earths foundations than the earth was not near completed. "while god was laying the foundations of the earth." The scripture doesn't say "while".
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:56:17 GMT
No everything was not created as the verse clearly says that the sons of god shouted for joy while god was laying the foundations of the earth. The earth wasn't completed, in fact God was laying its foundations. A foundation is the very base of a project, it is laid first before everything else. If God was laying the earths foundations than the earth was not near completed. "while god was laying the foundations of the earth." The scripture doesn't say "while". <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="7.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38000000000011px; height: 7.519999999999982px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_48341904" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="7.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 7.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1599px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_80752126" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="7.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 7.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 313px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_51677396" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="7.519999999999982" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 7.52px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1599px; top: 313px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_74680637" scrolling="no"></iframe> Some translations use when, some use while but I will concede for the purposes of argument. God is asking Job where he was when God was laying the foundations of the earth. In context he is stating where were you at the time I was laying the foundations of the earth. Its a sarcastic statement because obviously he wasn't there. Either way when is a present tense because God is asking Job where he was at that specific time.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 20, 2018 1:57:03 GMT
I'm using scripture. In Job the sons of God presented themselves before God. Do you know the duties of God's people primarily the males in OT? They had to present themselves before God in the temple. It was their duty. It was a set time and only males who had to do this. Zechariah still did this when an angel appeared to tell him about him having John. Zechariah was there to present himself to God and do his duties in the temple to be accepted. I'm using scripture too, in it's original language. The term used for sons of god elsewhere is not the same term used in Job in Genesis. The term used in Gensis and Job is B'nai ha Elohim only used thee times in the entire bible, to the verse we are debating in Genesis who mated withe daughters of men and produced giants, the meeting of the heavenly counsil in Job, and to the sons of God shouting for joy at the same time as God was laying the foundations of the earth. www.fallenangels-ckquarterman.com/who-were-the-benehaelohim-were-they-fallen-angels/ Be sure to read it all. That's the thing, none of us here are Hebrew scholars, so we have to rely on men who are to tell us what the original language says when we have God's word already given to us as it is written, I've brought this point up before. I've also brought up how there are corrupt versions of the Bible, I would hope you can agree with that as many versions of the Bible intentionally remove verses, words, sentences, and change words to make the scripture say something contrary to the rest of scripture which as a result instills doubt in people looking for the truth because it creates inconsistency in God's word.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 1:59:33 GMT
r Nooo not what I meant. I meant that stuff was created already as in people too. The sea and everything on the earth. 6 days of creation was totally done. First sons of God were Adam and Eve as in children. But after sin entered the only sons of God to present themselves were males before God later on. At least when temples were created since sons of God met there. But overall sons of God were God's children always. No everything was not created as the verse clearly says that the sons of god shouted for joy while god was laying the foundations of the earth. The earth wasn't completed, in fact God was laying its foundations. A foundation is the very base of a project, it is laid first before everything else. If God was laying the earths foundations than the earth was not near completed. Couple of things. First of all calling angels as stars and sons of God is confusing while calling God's people sons of God. And God isn't the author of confusion the bible says. So, stars can only be angels and God's people as sons of God. But let's quote Job first. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors. Verse 6 is super interesting. It's the very first time the bible uses the word cornerstone and it represents Jesus in scripture. So God is saying before that verse that He created everything and conerstone was set. God jumped to the future in that verse. And that cornerstone did what in verse 7? The stars and sons of God rejoiced. Why? Well stars (angels) and sons of God (people) rejoiced because of the cornerstone...Jesus. It was a fast forward to Jesus. Angels and people rejoiced at Jesus' coming. Angels even sang to shepherds. Notice that when cornerstone (Jesus) was set that's when angels and people sang for joy.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 2:02:02 GMT
I'm using scripture too, in it's original language. The term used for sons of god elsewhere is not the same term used in Job in Genesis. The term used in Gensis and Job is B'nai ha Elohim only used thee times in the entire bible, to the verse we are debating in Genesis who mated withe daughters of men and produced giants, the meeting of the heavenly counsil in Job, and to the sons of God shouting for joy at the same time as God was laying the foundations of the earth. www.fallenangels-ckquarterman.com/who-were-the-benehaelohim-were-they-fallen-angels/ Be sure to read it all. That's the thing, none of us here are Hebrew scholars, so we have to rely on men who are to tell us what the original language says when we have God's word already given to us as it is written, I've brought this point up before. I've also brought up how there are corrupt versions of the Bible, I would hope you can agree with that as many versions of the Bible intentionally remove verses, words, sentences, and change words to make the scripture say something contrary to the rest of scripture which as a result instills doubt in people looking for the truth because it creates inconsistency in God's word. Yes, I agree which is why you often have to go back to the original Hebrew to clarify things which is freely available for anyone to look up themselves online. Also trusting men who are more learned than we about a subject they specialize in is no different than trusting your preacher or pastor. I understand what you mean when you say that all men are liars but that would mean you and I are liars too. The Bible means what it means no matter what we think it says. That's why I liked Lamburk's post where he believed that the best way to study the Bible is as a scholar.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 2:07:52 GMT
7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
New testament prediction
Angels sang together for the cornerstone's coming And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Luke:2:13
Sons of God shouted with joy And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. Luke:1:14
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 2:09:38 GMT
No everything was not created as the verse clearly says that the sons of god shouted for joy while god was laying the foundations of the earth. The earth wasn't completed, in fact God was laying its foundations. A foundation is the very base of a project, it is laid first before everything else. If God was laying the earths foundations than the earth was not near completed. Couple of things. First of all calling angels as stars and sons of God is confusing while calling God's people sons of God. And God isn't the author of confusion the bible says. So, stars can only be angels and God's people as sons of God. But let's quote Job first. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors. Verse 6 is super interesting. It's the very first time the bible uses the word cornerstone and it represents Jesus in scripture. So God is saying before that verse that He created everything and conerstone was set. God jumped to the future in that verse. And that cornerstone did what in verse 7? The stars and sons of God rejoiced. Why? Well stars (angels) and sons of God (people) rejoiced because of the cornerstone...Jesus. It was a fast forward to Jesus. Angels and people rejoiced at Jesus' coming. Angels even sang to shepherds. Notice that when cornerstone (Jesus) was set that's when angels and people sang for joy. I'm sorry but in context this is not referring to Jesus Christ. You'd have to back up that claim with some other evidence than Jesus being called metaphorically a cornerstone somewhere else in the Bible. Context matters. God is simply continuing the construction metaphor of God creating the earth. When he asks to what are the earths foundations fastened and who laid its cornerstone he is asking a question to Job to which there is an obvious answer. To the first the answer is, "you have no idea little man," and to the second it is, "Me... I laid its cornerstone. Because I created the earth." Jesus is only mentioned in that he's the one talking (because he's God.)
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 20, 2018 2:17:09 GMT
That's the thing, none of us here are Hebrew scholars, so we have to rely on men who are to tell us what the original language says when we have God's word already given to us as it is written, I've brought this point up before. I've also brought up how there are corrupt versions of the Bible, I would hope you can agree with that as many versions of the Bible intentionally remove verses, words, sentences, and change words to make the scripture say something contrary to the rest of scripture which as a result instills doubt in people looking for the truth because it creates inconsistency in God's word. Yes, I agree which is why you often have to go back to the original Hebrew to clarify things which is freely available for anyone to look up themselves online. Also trusting men who are more learned than we about a subject they specialize in is no different than trusting your preacher or pastor. I understand what you mean when you say that all men are liars but that would mean you and I are liars too. The Bible means what it means no matter what we think it says. That's why I liked Lamburk's post where he believed that the best way to study the Bible is as a scholar. If we have to go back to the Hebrew, that makes God a liar when He said He would preserve His word forever shrug The Hebrew that the OT was written in is a dead language, the Hebrew spoken today is much different. "trusting men who are more learned than we about a subject they specialize in is no different than trusting your preacher or pastor" I trusted a pastor once, and it almost lead me down the wrong path shrug "but that would mean you and I are liars too" We are, you and I have both told lies shrug "The Bible means what it means no matter what we think it says." Exactly, and it says sons of God are believers. It doesn't hint at them being angels one time. "That's why I liked Lamburk's post where he believed that the best way to study the Bible is as a scholar." You should read 1 Corinthians 2
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 2:17:44 GMT
Couple of things. First of all calling angels as stars and sons of God is confusing while calling God's people sons of God. And God isn't the author of confusion the bible says. So, stars can only be angels and God's people as sons of God. But let's quote Job first. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors. Verse 6 is super interesting. It's the very first time the bible uses the word cornerstone and it represents Jesus in scripture. So God is saying before that verse that He created everything and conerstone was set. God jumped to the future in that verse. And that cornerstone did what in verse 7? The stars and sons of God rejoiced. Why? Well stars (angels) and sons of God (people) rejoiced because of the cornerstone...Jesus. It was a fast forward to Jesus. Angels and people rejoiced at Jesus' coming. Angels even sang to shepherds. Notice that when cornerstone (Jesus) was set that's when angels and people sang for joy. I'm sorry but in context this is not referring to Jesus Christ. You'd have to back up that claim with some other evidence than Jesus being called metaphorically a cornerstone somewhere else in the Bible. Context matters. God is simply continuing the construction metaphor of God creating the earth. When he asks to what are the earths foundations fastened and who laid its cornerstone he is asking a question to Job to which there is an obvious answer. To the first the answer is, "you have no idea little man," and to the second it is, "Me... I laid its cornerstone. Because I created the earth." Jesus is only mentioned in that he's the one talking (because he's God.) Well it says the angels sang because of the cornerstone and people praised. That's literally what happened with Jesus the cornerstone. Because that's when that part came true. No other part in scripture has angels singing and people rejoicing except when the cornerstone Jesus has come. Straight line to Jesus. Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 2:24:03 GMT
Jesus the cornerstone
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Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 2:31:27 GMT
Yes, I agree which is why you often have to go back to the original Hebrew to clarify things which is freely available for anyone to look up themselves online. Also trusting men who are more learned than we about a subject they specialize in is no different than trusting your preacher or pastor. I understand what you mean when you say that all men are liars but that would mean you and I are liars too. The Bible means what it means no matter what we think it says. That's why I liked Lamburk's post where he believed that the best way to study the Bible is as a scholar. If we have to go back to the Hebrew, that makes God a liar when He said He would preserve His word forever The Hebrew that the OT was written in is a dead language, the Hebrew spoken today is much different. "trusting men who are more learned than we about a subject they specialize in is no different than trusting your preacher or pastor" I trusted a pastor once, and it almost lead me down the wrong path "but that would mean you and I are liars too" We are, you and I have both told lies "The Bible means what it means no matter what we think it says." Exactly, and it says sons of God are believers. It doesn't hint at them being angels one time. "That's why I liked Lamburk's post where he believed that the best way to study the Bible is as a scholar." You should read 1 Corinthians 2 He did preserve his word forever. We have the Dead Sea Scrolls and we know exactly what they say. We have the Greek New Testament texts as well. You talk about God preserving his word forever and then you talk about corrupted translations. How do you know that the translation you're using is the accurate one? How do you decide which translation is corrupted and which one isn't. Which is the the source Bible you are using to compare it to? The first Bible we have in English is the King James Bible. It talks about unicorns, satyrs, Basilisks, dragons and a ton of other mythical creatures that don't exist. Do you know why we don't have these creatures in newer translations, because we went back and saw what the Hebrew actually says and correctly identified the animals within. And yes, the Bible clearly says hints and outright shows that the Sons of God in the three places mentioned are clearly angels as I have shown time and time again. The problem is that you don't seem to want to knowledge the concept of context, and that the old testament was written in Hebrew not English and that we know exactly what it says in Hebrew and what it is referring to. Again the sons of God were there when god laid the foundations of the earth. They were shouting with joy as he was doing it. This is written clear as day even in the English. I have a different story than you. 14 years of my life were screwed up as well as my walk with God because I misunderstood a verse in the Bible due to my own ignorance on the subject. So when I study the Bible I try my hardest to make sure I'm right.
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