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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 18, 2018 11:11:15 GMT
Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text. Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the context of the Bible.
Eisegesis is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.
Examples of exegesis and eisegesis I’ve personally seen used in scripture by others;
2 Peter 3:8 KJV [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Eisegesis - each day in the Genesis creation account is actually 1000 years, so God created everything in 6000 years.
Exegesis - God is in and outside of time.
Numbers 14:34 KJV [34] After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Eisegesis - The day/year principle; every time a day is mentioned in scripture it is to be counted as a year.
Exegesis - The children of Israel will wonder the desert every day of the year for 40 years.
Isaiah 14:12-14 KJV [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Eisegesis - Lucifer is Jesus Christ
Exegesis - Lucifer is Satan (Isaiah 14:15 KJV [15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:19-20 KJV [19] But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. [20] Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.)
Psalm 141:2 KJV [2] Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.
Eisegesis - Every time while we pray we are to burn incense.
Exegesis - the word “as” is being used here for simile, so it is the comparison of two unlike things. Many times in the Old Testament incense was burned for an offering to God. Throughout the entire Bible, we never see a single passage that suggests we are to burn incense and pray simultaneously.
(This one is not one I’ve seen used, but was used an example) 2 Chronicles 27:1-2 “Jotham was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem sixteen years. . . . He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father Uzziah had done, but unlike him he did not enter the temple of the LORD.”
Eisegesis - First, the interpreter decides on a topic. Today, it’s “The Importance of Church Attendance.” The interpreter reads 2 Chronicles 27:1-2 and sees that King Jotham was a good king, just like his father Uzziah had been, except for one thing: he didn’t go to the temple! This passage seems to fit his idea, so he uses it. The resulting sermon deals with the need for passing on godly values from one generation to the next. Just because King Uzziah went to the temple every week didn’t mean that his son would continue the practice. In the same way, many young people today tragically turn from their parents’ training, and church attendance drops off. The sermon ends with a question: “How many blessings did Jotham fail to receive, simply because he neglected church?”
Exegesis - First, the interpreter reads the passage and, to fully understand the context, he reads the histories of both Uzziah and Jotham (2 Chronicles 26-27; 2 Kings 15:1-6, 32-38). In his observation, he discovers that King Uzziah was a good king who nevertheless disobeyed the Lord when he went to the temple and offered incense on the altar—something only a priest had the right to do (2 Chronicles 26:16-20). Uzziah’s pride and his contamination of the temple resulted in his having “leprosy until the day he died” (2 Chronicles 26:21).
The processes of eisegesis and exegesis;
The process of exegesis involves, 1) observation: what does the passage say? 2) interpretation: what does the passage mean? 3) correlation: how does the passage relate to the rest of the Bible? and, 4) application: how should this passage affect my life?
Eisegesis, on the other hand, involves, 1) imagination: what idea do I want to present? 2) exploration: what Scripture passage seems to fit with my idea? and, 3) application: what does my idea mean? Notice that, in eisegesis, there is no examination of the words of the text or their relationship to each other, no cross-referencing with related passages, and no real desire to understand the actual meaning. Scripture serves only as a prop to the interpreter’s idea.
When interpreting scripture one of these processes is used. The one that should be used is exegesis. Those who believe in sola scriptura are supposed to use the process of exegesis when reading the scriptures. The process of eisegesis is what leads to false interpretations and false doctrines that we see so prevalent today in so many churches, denominations, and institutions, which ultimately leads to unbelief.
Feel free to share any examples of eisegesis and exegesis that you’ve seen.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 18, 2018 17:19:12 GMT
Nicely written. I'll do examples maybe when fully awake though. Napping
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 18, 2018 19:31:21 GMT
The creation account in Genesis, Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Eisegesis - These days in Genesis represent billions of years, hence we can interpret the creation account as actually being the Big Bang theory. Exegesis - the word day in context, as used for the six Days of Creation(each Day with a number and the phrase "evening and morning"), means these days are approximately 24-hour periods, ordinary days. (Genesis 1:5 ...And the evening and the morning were the first day.) (Genesis 1:8 ...And the evening and the morning were the second day.) (Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.) (Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.) (Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.) (Genesis 1:31 ...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.)
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 0:19:01 GMT
The creation account in Genesis, Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Eisegesis - These days in Genesis represent billions of years, hence we can interpret the creation account as actually being the Big Bang theory. Exegesis - the word day in context, as used for the six Days of Creation(each Day with a number and the phrase "evening and morning"), means these days are approximately 24-hour periods, ordinary days. (Genesis 1:5 ...And the evening and the morning were the first day.) (Genesis 1:8 ...And the evening and the morning were the second day.) (Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.) (Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.) (Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.) (Genesis 1:31 ...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.) Not wanting to start an argument or anything (but if we do end up in one lets keep it civil and not call each other heretics please; it is possible to debate in a polite manner) but you are right to use Exegesis to interpret the word of God. I would just ask why you use it for one passage in Genesis but not... that other one. You know the one www.wordofhisgrace.org/wp/genesis-6-angels/ Read carefully please.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 0:40:36 GMT
I don't understand who thinks sons of God are angels. They are people.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John:1:12
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans:8:14
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1 John:3:1
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Philippians:2:15
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:14:03 GMT
I don't understand who thinks sons of God are angels. They are people. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John:1:12 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans:8:14 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1 John:3:1 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Philippians:2:15 All of those verses you quoted are in the New Testament, the word translated "Sons of God" in the New Testament is not the same word or even in the same language as the word translated, "Sons of God" in the old testament; and even if we're going by the English translation those verses are written in a different context than the verses in question in the old testament. Every time the word, "Sons of God", the original Hebrew by the way is B'nai Ha Elohim, is used in the old testament it refers to angles. Take this verse for instance biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm in context here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NASB The Sons of God are shouting for joy when God is laying the foundations of the earth before mankind was even created. The only other times the words B'nai Ha Elohim are used in the old testament they are referring to the verse we are debating and to a meeting of the heavenly host at the beginning of Job where Satan a fallen angle is present. To deny that the sons of God refered to here are angels takes some serious mental gymnastics.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:16:56 GMT
I don't understand who thinks sons of God are angels. They are people. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John:1:12 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans:8:14 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1 John:3:1 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Philippians:2:15 edit
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 1:19:16 GMT
God's people are called sons of God in scripture. Angels are called as stars in scripture. Stars didn't mate with ungodly daughters of men. It was God's people who mated with ungodly people and upset God. God wants you to marry godly people not ungodly to raise a godly family.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 1:21:21 GMT
I don't understand who thinks sons of God are angels. They are people. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John:1:12 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans:8:14 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1 John:3:1 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Philippians:2:15 All of those verses you quoted are in the New Testament, the word translated "Sons of God" in the New Testament is not the same word or even in the same language as the word translated, "Sons of God" in the old testament; and even if we're going by the English translation those verses are written in a different context than the verses in question in the old testament. Every time the word, "Sons of God", the original Hebrew by the way is B'nai Ha Elohim, is used in the old testament it refers to angles. Take this verse for instance biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm in context here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NASB The Sons of God are shouting for joy when God is laying the foundations of the earth before mankind was even created. The only other times the words B'nai Ha Elohim are used in the old testament they are referring to the verse we are debating and to a meeting of the heavenly host at the beginning of Job where Satan a fallen angle is present. To deny that the sons of God refered to here are angels takes some serious mental gymnastics. It's the same thing because sons of God would present themselves to God in the temple. They were only males then because only males were told to enter the temple. But nonetheless they were God's people.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:22:59 GMT
God's people are called sons of God in scripture. Angels are called as stars in scripture. Stars didn't mate with ungodly daughters of men. It was God's people who mated with ungodly people and upset God. God wants you to marry godly people not ungodly to raise a godly family. <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72000000000003px; height: 4.920000000000016px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59644518" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1616px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63123608" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 185px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_74558598" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1616px; top: 185px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_17917764" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38000000000011px; height: 4.920000000000016px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_65520837" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1599px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_43105357" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 186px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_83466780" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1599px; top: 186px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_48301115" scrolling="no"></iframe> Then explain why the sons of God were present while God was creating the earth according to the clear words of the scripture. Again for your viewing pleasure biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm Read all the translations of this same verse listed and it becomes clearer that my position is correct. Job 38:7 clearly and concisely disproves your notion.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 1:26:11 GMT
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job:38:7 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? Job:38:8
The stars (angels) and sons of God (God's children) praised God the verses say. 2 distinct beings. Plus, verse says womb..so it's after the creation of people ans seas and stuff already which is why sons of God are people.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 20, 2018 1:26:11 GMT
The creation account in Genesis, Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Eisegesis - These days in Genesis represent billions of years, hence we can interpret the creation account as actually being the Big Bang theory. Exegesis - the word day in context, as used for the six Days of Creation(each Day with a number and the phrase "evening and morning"), means these days are approximately 24-hour periods, ordinary days. (Genesis 1:5 ...And the evening and the morning were the first day.) (Genesis 1:8 ...And the evening and the morning were the second day.) (Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.) (Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.) (Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.) (Genesis 1:31 ...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.) Not wanting to start an argument or anything (but if we do end up in one lets keep it civil and not call each other heretics please; it is possible to debate in a polite manner) but you are right to use Exegesis to interpret the word of God. I would just ask why you use it for one passage in Genesis but not... that other one. You know the one www.wordofhisgrace.org/wp/genesis-6-angels/ Read carefully please. "I would just ask why you use it for one passage in Genesis but not... that other one." I considered it already and am still considering it; this thread is meant to be ongoing with examples of exegesis and eisegesis posted from time to time. My position against your view of Genesis 6:1-4 would be that you're using extra-Biblical sources to interpret the passage and that it would be eisegesis because it is injecting the idea of spirits(angels) being able to procreate with human beings, an idea which is not found anywhere in the Bible. Without the interjection of the book of Enoch, this idea that fallen angels mated with women on earth to create a race of giants would not exist, as the book of Enoch states, if I remember correctly(because I've read it before), that Satan and his angels landed on mount Hermon, in the middle east, which is near Damascus, again if I remember correctly. My view would be that all men were giants in the days of Noah and before his days and that sons of God were not fallen angels, as sons of God in the New Testament are believers. I don't accept the book of Enoch as Biblical canon because there are many strange things in it that do not align with the Biblical canon; a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.. in other words, a small amount of corruption corrupts all of that which has been corrupted, a bucket of pure water is no longer pure when one drop of impure water is put in it.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:26:17 GMT
All of those verses you quoted are in the New Testament, the word translated "Sons of God" in the New Testament is not the same word or even in the same language as the word translated, "Sons of God" in the old testament; and even if we're going by the English translation those verses are written in a different context than the verses in question in the old testament. Every time the word, "Sons of God", the original Hebrew by the way is B'nai Ha Elohim, is used in the old testament it refers to angles. Take this verse for instance biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm in context here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NASB The Sons of God are shouting for joy when God is laying the foundations of the earth before mankind was even created. The only other times the words B'nai Ha Elohim are used in the old testament they are referring to the verse we are debating and to a meeting of the heavenly host at the beginning of Job where Satan a fallen angle is present. To deny that the sons of God refered to here are angels takes some serious mental gymnastics. It's the same thing because sons of God would present themselves to God in the temple. They were only males then because only males were told to enter the temple. But nonetheless they were God's people. That verse says nothing about any temple, it is talking about God laying the foundations of the earth IE creating it while the sons of God sang for joy. Its right there before your eyes in the Bible.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2018 1:30:39 GMT
God's people are called sons of God in scripture. Angels are called as stars in scripture. Stars didn't mate with ungodly daughters of men. It was God's people who mated with ungodly people and upset God. God wants you to marry godly people not ungodly to raise a godly family. <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72000000000003px; height: 4.920000000000016px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59644518" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1616px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63123608" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 185px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_74558598" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.72000000000003" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.72px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1616px; top: 185px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_17917764" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38000000000011px; height: 4.920000000000016px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_65520837" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1599px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_43105357" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 186px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_83466780" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.38000000000011" height="4.920000000000016" style="position: absolute; width: 33.38px; height: 4.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1599px; top: 186px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_48301115" scrolling="no"></iframe> Then explain why the sons of God were present while God was creating the earth according to the clear words of the scripture. Again for your viewing pleasure biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm Read all the translations of this same verse listed and it becomes clearer that my position is correct. Job 38:7 clearly and concisely disproves your notion. Job backs me up. Angels cannot be both stars and sons of God. We are sons of God. The sons of God presented themselves in the temple constantly. Only men of God were allowed to do that in the temple. They were the sons of God.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 20, 2018 1:34:26 GMT
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job:38:7 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? Job:38:8 The stars (angels) and sons of God (God's children) praised God the verses say. 2 distinct beings. Plus, verse says womb..so it's after the creation of people already which is why sons of God are people. No it is saying that the sea broke forth as if it had issued out of the womb. It's using whats called a metaphor. The sea burst forth like water breaking from a woman's womb when a woman's water breaks, easy to understand. Water was created before mankind so this is before mankind. The morning stars and Sons of God is a poetic device where one repeats oneself in a different way used all the time in Hebrew poetry and even modern poetry. The sons of God are are shouting for joy when God was laid the foundations of the earth. God is asking Job where he was when, that is at the time, that God laid the foundations of the earth and the sons of God were shouting for joy. Also you are leaving out the fact that there was only one man even right after god created the earth Adam, and only Adam. Sons is plural. Where did all these other sons come from?
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