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Post by jonbain on Jul 13, 2018 19:53:25 GMT
Its a bit perturbing that this forum only seems to recognize the 3 divided types of Christianism: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxy.
I happen to consider such divisions the work of Satan, and those who buy into them have vested interests in collecting tithes, and thus are sacramentarians: not True Christians.
As a mystic, I see Christ's teachings as being transcendental to church. In the parable of the good Samaritan, he clearly shows that one's actions are what are vital, not which symbols one wears.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 14, 2018 20:53:13 GMT
@eodnhoj7 Yes, I follow Jesus. If it offends you that isn't my problem. And one of God's missions on earth was to divide. Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.Luke 12:51 Did I just not say it's actions not appearance with this verse? Hmm... Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John:7:24 Yes, and when they didn't change their actions He told us to depart from them like when Pharisees didn't want to change then Jesus told His disciples to beware of these bad people. Bad company ruins good morals. All this is written in bible. Well, I just hope they know Jesus is the way if they plan to go to heaven... Says to judge righteously. The way God judges. I don't do anything different. Just means you've an issue with Jesus not me. According to scripture you are not even allowed to teach or preach to men. All I am saying is that your action of saying which faith will go to hell or not is wrong. That's just a cheap and untrue way of telling her to shut up. Scripture doesn't say women are not allowed to teach or preach, but in the church.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 14, 2018 20:54:54 GMT
So, should I welcome the devil into my life? Your judgements of other's act like him...based off your fruits I just assumed he already was welcome. You're judging me bruh You're not allowed to do that bruh
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 20:58:54 GMT
@eodnhoj7 Yes, I follow Jesus. If it offends you that isn't my problem. And one of God's missions on earth was to divide. Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.Luke 12:51 Did I just not say it's actions not appearance with this verse? Hmm... Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John:7:24 Yes, and when they didn't change their actions He told us to depart from them like when Pharisees didn't want to change then Jesus told His disciples to beware of these bad people. Bad company ruins good morals. All this is written in bible. Well, I just hope they know Jesus is the way if they plan to go to heaven... Says to judge righteously. The way God judges. I don't do anything different. Just means you've an issue with Jesus not me. According to scripture you are not even allowed to teach or preach to men. All I am saying is that your action of saying which faith will go to hell or not is wrong. Incorrect. It says I'm not allowed to teach at all when in church so that's men and women. But I'm on a forum. Have a good day
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 21:05:52 GMT
According to scripture you are not even allowed to teach or preach to men. All I am saying is that your action of saying which faith will go to hell or not is wrong. That's just a cheap and untrue way of telling her to shut up. Scripture doesn't say women are not allowed to teach or preach, but in the church. No, it's ok. Just tells me he doesn't know bible where women are still alowed to teach Titus 2 2 But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine: 2 that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; 3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— 4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.If a women doesn't teach this by scripture then men will have horrible futures wives
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Post by x on Jul 14, 2018 23:00:32 GMT
If you mean by "How do I know which denomination is true denomination" Protestants are There really isn't a real way to determine a "right" church, God works through many different churches to establish his sovereign will, I personally am looking for a deeper understanding of the bible and Jesus, I don't want to only worship God in keeping certain festivals and worshiping this saint or that saint (Pagans and Heathenish religions do the same), I want a deeper understanding of him with him, If a saint can do it then why can't I, but I also want to be of him, like he said in 1 John. 1 John 4:4 (KJV)
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. If you are looking for more of a deeper cultivating relationship with Christ in the spirit, then a church that focuses on the spiritual (I.E mainstream protestant churches) is the way to go. If you are looking for a more of an authoritative church then the catholic church is a way to go, Either way if your confused always remember there is always a God who is willing to answer you If you have more questions then you can ask me. Dwight L. MoodySo are you saying there is no way to determine whether a local church is a part of the body or Christ? 1. Does it believe that the bible is the true word of God and doesn't anything that is not in the bible. 2. Does it believe that Jesus came in the in the flesh and is both God and Human? 3. Does it follow the teaching of Jesus and not try to get away from what Jesus say because Jesus said in John 14:15 John 14:15 (KJV) 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. There's more to it but that's basically what it boils down to
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Post by jonbain on Jul 14, 2018 23:07:14 GMT
Ah, but I have not seen the answer to this yet. Please repeat. Its always good to reword ideas, refine terminology, include implied details. Especially if others are not in agreement as yet. Catholics and Orthodox were part of the one Church that the apostles founded.. As a result, the apostles founded 5 main Local Churches, which became patriarchates, constituting the Unified Holy Catholic(Universal) Apostolic Church: 1) The Jerusalem Local Church was founded on the day of Pentecost, at the moment of the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles (Acts 2: 1-41). The first bishop of the Jerusalem Orthodox Church is the apostle James, who is also the author of the first rank of the Liturgy, which is still served in the Jerusalem Orthodox Church. List of the apostolic succession of the Jerusalem Orthodox Church 2) The Antiochian Local Church was founded by the Apostles Peter and Paul. List of the Apostolic Succession of the Antiochian Orthodox Church 3) The Alexandrian Local Church was founded by the apostle Mark in the year 42. List of the apostolic succession of the Alexandrian Orthodox Church 4) The Constantinople Local Church, founded in 37 in the city of Byzantium by the Apostle Andrew, who ordained to the bishops the Apostle Stachys , who was at the Department from 38 to 54 (Rom. 16: 9) 5) The Roman Local Church was founded by the apostle Peter In 1054, one of the five Local Churches - the Roman one, having distorted the apostolic doctrine of the Trinity and having introduced this heresy into the Creed, fell away from the One Apostolic Universal Church, falling under the anathema of the apostle Paul (Galatians 1: 8-9) After that, Rome went its own way .. Thank-you. That is quite fascinating. Do you have more info on the bit "distorted the apostolic doctrine of the Trinity and having introduced this heresy" What exactly is this distortion?
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Post by jonbain on Jul 14, 2018 23:14:01 GMT
Its a bit perturbing that this forum only seems to recognize the 3 divided types of Christianism: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxy. I happen to consider such divisions the work of Satan, and those who buy into them have vested interests in collecting tithes, and thus are sacramentarians: not True Christians. As a mystic, I see Christ's teachings as being transcendental to church. In the parable of the good Samaritan, he clearly shows that one's actions are what are vital, not which symbols one wears. Actions are most certainly vital, no Orthodox Christian will ever contend this point. Faith demands a life that corresponds to faith, or it shall die. Not entirely sure what you mean by "sacramentarian". I also agree that the schisms that split various groups from the Orthodox Faith were the work of the Devil. Arius, Nestorius, many others and their various heretical doctrines were rightfully refuted for their error and summarily went into schism and thus away from the Church. Twisting the parable of the Good Samaritan to mean "there is no actual church, we're all the same really" is utterly disingenuous. The parable demonstrates a function of the Church in its responsibility to perform acts of Christian love and compassion for both believers and unbelievers. Well the oxford dictionary defines 'sacramentarian' as 'not a true believer. Essentially it is people that follow the sacrament - they go to the building: church, perhaps even become ordained as priests, but they see religion much like psychology uses the ancient Greek mythology - as metaphors. At core they are really aTheists. I certainly did not twist the parable to imply that there is no church, that we are all the same. The parable does however show that someone of the profession 'rabbi' (priest) can be an unbeliever at heart, whereas a person who does not attend to a building called 'church', can still have a deep-seated faith in righteousness. Thus the True Christian may be a 'thief in the night' or have any guise, whereas Satan can wear robes and crosses.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 14, 2018 23:23:47 GMT
WHY THE HELL THIS THREAD IS IN HERE ???? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHRISTIANITY SECTION BECAUSE I AM A MYSTIC CHRISTIAN WHOSE FAITH COMES FROM PHILOSOPHY AND THUS I DO NOT FIT INTO THE OTHER THREE CATEGORIES
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Post by jonbain on Jul 14, 2018 23:31:17 GMT
WHY THE HELL THIS THREAD IS IN HERE ???? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHRISTIANITY SECTION Starting to hope it just burns away. why do you want my thread to burn away? I just noticed plenty of room for an open discussion on church and faith that was not biased towards any of the categories in the 'Christian' section. After all I have never even been inside the same church-building twice and feel that True Christianity transcends church. Not that I intend to hurt ir discredit the church itself. But I see the churches I have had interaction with as little more than libraries. They are custodians of the message, but they are not Christianity in a spiritual sense.
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Post by hermitcrab on Jul 14, 2018 23:52:36 GMT
Starting to hope it just burns away. why do you want my thread to burn away? I just noticed plenty of room for an open discussion on church and faith that was not biased towards any of the categories in the 'Christian' section. After all I have never even been inside the same church-building twice and feel that True Christianity transcends church. Not that I intend to hurt ir discredit the church itself. But I see the churches I have had interaction with as little more than libraries. They are custodians of the message, but they are not Christianity in a spiritual sense. The Church is a very real institution, both in the divine and physical sense. It is not an abstract mental concept.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 15, 2018 0:08:31 GMT
Starting to hope it just burns away. why do you want my thread to burn away? I just noticed plenty of room for an open discussion on church and faith that was not biased towards any of the categories in the 'Christian' section. After all I have never even been inside the same church-building twice and feel that True Christianity transcends church. Not that I intend to hurt ir discredit the church itself. But I see the churches I have had interaction with as little more than libraries. They are custodians of the message, but they are not Christianity in a spiritual sense. Not your thread. Just the continuous arguments with diamond and dk and people messaging me to add more restrictions on them. You can carry on of course
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 1:00:56 GMT
WHY THE HELL THIS THREAD IS IN HERE ???? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHRISTIANITY SECTION BECAUSE I AM A MYSTIC CHRISTIAN WHOSE FAITH COMES FROM PHILOSOPHY AND THUS I DO NOT FIT INTO THE OTHER THREE CATEGORIESOH CAPS LOCK WITH A CAPS LOCK AIN !! dude u can either be a christian or a mystic . pick one ! and the theme of your thread really makes your point across well . . True christian . btw i like what u wrote but if u feel the inclination to reply with a definitive post that oh noo there is a new thing in the market called mystic christian . i dont wana hear about the interracial relationship . . ok
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 15, 2018 8:32:55 GMT
Thank-you. That is quite fascinating. Do you have more info on the bit "distorted the apostolic doctrine of the Trinity and having introduced this heresy" What exactly is this distortion? The Holy Spirit comes only from the Father ... Catholics claim that it comes from the Son, too!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 15, 2018 8:38:57 GMT
BECAUSE I AM A MYSTIC CHRISTIAN WHOSE FAITH COMES FROM PHILOSOPHY AND THUS I DO NOT FIT INTO THE OTHER THREE CATEGORIES OH CAPS LOCK WITH A CAPS LOCK AIN !! dude u can either be a christian or a mystic . pick one ! and the theme of your thread really makes your point across well . . True christian . btw i like what u wrote but if u feel the inclination to reply with a definitive post that oh noo there is a new thing in the market called mystic christian . i dont wana hear about the interracial relationship . . ok In simply fact, there is no point in this topic at all .. but one guy will continue to create his 'Christian' themes here, and then if something does not like it he writes ... -you are following me- one demagogy. I'm just writing a fact aboit this!
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Post by jonbain on Jul 16, 2018 19:54:06 GMT
why do you want my thread to burn away? I just noticed plenty of room for an open discussion on church and faith that was not biased towards any of the categories in the 'Christian' section. After all I have never even been inside the same church-building twice and feel that True Christianity transcends church. Not that I intend to hurt ir discredit the church itself. But I see the churches I have had interaction with as little more than libraries. They are custodians of the message, but they are not Christianity in a spiritual sense. The Church is a very real institution, both in the divine and physical sense. It is not an abstract mental concept. Well I never said they were not real, nor did I say they lacked substance or Divinity. A church certainly consists of abstract concepts, and more than this too, like physicality and divinity, sure. But True Christianity is more than just people in buildings singing in unison, which is often all I that I see going on in the churches I have visited.
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