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Post by jonbain on Jul 13, 2018 19:53:25 GMT
Its a bit perturbing that this forum only seems to recognize the 3 divided types of Christianism: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxy.
I happen to consider such divisions the work of Satan, and those who buy into them have vested interests in collecting tithes, and thus are sacramentarians: not True Christians.
As a mystic, I see Christ's teachings as being transcendental to church. In the parable of the good Samaritan, he clearly shows that one's actions are what are vital, not which symbols one wears.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 19:55:09 GMT
We will be judged according to our judgements. "19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." 1 Corinthians 9 19-23 Seeking to seperate people it to in effect seeking dominion over them. Well, Jesus is doing just that He's a doctor too it says. There are bad and good doctors out there too as my example stated. That girl died at 19 because her doctor was bad and didn't care to separate her from those who were healthy for treatment. I hope he was fired! He brought the sword to seperate people from the vanity of the world and its inherent vices which bring death, and as a doctor his goal is bring unity of the individual, and his creation, through good health. Seperating one person from another is a questionable goal considering he dealt with all sinners. He did not reject or judge anyone, but rather people judged themselves. It is this freedom of choice, that was embodied in Christ, where the individual reaps as he sows in a form of self-structuring mirroring the nature of God. You and DK want to point out all those who are going to hell, but provide no means of seeing commonality... If Jesus, according to you, is seeking to dominate people....then are you and DK as followers of your god, seeking to dominate me and the other's here?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 20:12:29 GMT
Well, Jesus is doing just that He's a doctor too it says. There are bad and good doctors out there too as my example stated. That girl died at 19 because her doctor was bad and didn't care to separate her from those who were healthy for treatment. I hope he was fired! He brought the sword to seperate people from the vanity of the world and its inherent vices which bring death, and as a doctor his goal is bring unity of the individual, and his creation, through good health. Seperating one person from another is a questionable goal considering he dealt with all sinners. He did not reject or judge anyone, but rather people judged themselves. It is this freedom of choice, that was embodied in Christ, where the individual reaps as he sows in a form of self-structuring mirroring the nature of God. You and DK want to point out all those who are going to hell, but provide no means of seeing commonality... If Jesus, according to you, is seeking to dominate people....then are you and DK as followers of your god, seeking to dominate me and the other's here? Jesus judged all the time. He was especially judging Pharisees and Sadducees and wants us to judge righteously too. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:2 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Corinthians 11:31 We must even judge oursleves to make sure we follow His words or else we will be judged.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:19:59 GMT
He brought the sword to seperate people from the vanity of the world and its inherent vices which bring death, and as a doctor his goal is bring unity of the individual, and his creation, through good health. Seperating one person from another is a questionable goal considering he dealt with all sinners. He did not reject or judge anyone, but rather people judged themselves. It is this freedom of choice, that was embodied in Christ, where the individual reaps as he sows in a form of self-structuring mirroring the nature of God. You and DK want to point out all those who are going to hell, but provide no means of seeing commonality... If Jesus, according to you, is seeking to dominate people....then are you and DK as followers of your god, seeking to dominate me and the other's here? Jesus judged all the time. He was especially judging Pharisees and Sadducees and wants us to judge righteously too. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:2 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Corinthians 11:31 We must even judge oursleves to make sure we follow His words or else we will be judged. He did not judge the pharissees, but rather judged there actions. Man is the measure and cannot be measured, with the premise of this found in Christianity as man being in the image of God, however actions can be. Jesus observed the dangers of these men's actions, they were saved or condemned by there own choice. Judging oneself and judging another are to seperate things. "Judge not lest ye be judged" observes the nature of judging other's, whether they will go to heaven or hell, but not judging their actions. An action, as outward, can be observed as outward, but we cannot judge the interior of other's...rather only ours. These scripture verses have nothing to do with judging others. In effect, you are saying you seek to dominate me and other's because of your god.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 20:24:30 GMT
Jesus judged all the time. He was especially judging Pharisees and Sadducees and wants us to judge righteously too. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:2 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Corinthians 11:31 We must even judge oursleves to make sure we follow His words or else we will be judged. He did not judge the pharissees, but rather judged there actions. Man is the measure and cannot be measured, with the premise of this found in Christianity as man being in the image of God, however actions can be. Jesus observed the dangers of these men's actions, they were saved or condemned by there own choice. Judging oneself and judging another are to seperate things. "Judge not lest ye be judged" observes the nature of judging other's, whether they will go to heaven or hell, but not judging their actions. An action, as outward, can be observed as outward, but we cannot judge the interior of other's...rather only ours. These scripture verses have nothing to do with judging others. In effect, you are saying you seek to dominate me and other's because of your god. Judging their actions is judging and it's judging righteously. And we must follow that example. And when Jesus was judging them he was telling His disciples to separate from them too. All those verses talk about judging . And last one says if you don't judge then you'll be judged. So, it's not a requirement to judge but be prepared to be judged I don't care to dominate you one bit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:31:36 GMT
He did not judge the pharissees, but rather judged there actions. Man is the measure and cannot be measured, with the premise of this found in Christianity as man being in the image of God, however actions can be. Jesus observed the dangers of these men's actions, they were saved or condemned by there own choice. Judging oneself and judging another are to seperate things. "Judge not lest ye be judged" observes the nature of judging other's, whether they will go to heaven or hell, but not judging their actions. An action, as outward, can be observed as outward, but we cannot judge the interior of other's...rather only ours. These scripture verses have nothing to do with judging others. In effect, you are saying you seek to dominate me and other's because of your god. Judging their actions is judging and it's judging righteously. And we must follow that example. And when Jesus was judging them he was telling His disciples to separate from them too. All those verses talk about judging . And last one says if you don't judge then you'll be judged. So, it's not a requirement to judge but be prepared to be judged I don't care to dominate you one bit But your god does (as you claim) and you follow him, so either you are lying or a hypocrite (lying to yourself)....either way. The premise is relative to judging the action of other's and not the person themselve, which when categorizing people into specific faith in effect does. Seperating oneself from a lifestyle is different than seperating oneself from a person. Jesus did not seperate himself from sinners, but seperated himself from there way of life. He did not judge the sinner but rather the sin. In these respects either Catholics and Orthodox can go to heaven according to this standard, or they cannot as you claim a judgement over people by putting them in categories. In one respects a label means nothing, in another it does. Who are you to judge what is scriptural and what is not scriptural considering whatever authority you claim as your own, must in effect be given to others.?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:33:25 GMT
He did not judge the pharissees, but rather judged there actions. Man is the measure and cannot be measured, with the premise of this found in Christianity as man being in the image of God, however actions can be. Jesus observed the dangers of these men's actions, they were saved or condemned by there own choice. Judging oneself and judging another are to seperate things. "Judge not lest ye be judged" observes the nature of judging other's, whether they will go to heaven or hell, but not judging their actions. An action, as outward, can be observed as outward, but we cannot judge the interior of other's...rather only ours. These scripture verses have nothing to do with judging others. In effect, you are saying you seek to dominate me and other's because of your god. Judging their actions is judging and it's judging righteously. And we must follow that example. And when Jesus was judging them he was telling His disciples to separate from them too. All those verses talk about judging . And last one says if you don't judge then you'll be judged. So, it's not a requirement to judge but be prepared to be judged I don't care to dominate you one bit Since this caught my eye. U both are running parallel... Referring a completely different and a specific version of judgement according as how u two interpret it.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 14, 2018 20:41:40 GMT
Judging their actions is judging and it's judging righteously. And we must follow that example. And when Jesus was judging them he was telling His disciples to separate from them too. All those verses talk about judging . And last one says if you don't judge then you'll be judged. So, it's not a requirement to judge but be prepared to be judged I don't care to dominate you one bit Since this caught my eye. U both are running parallel... Referring a completely different and a specific version of judgement according as how u two interpret it. Judging is discerning. Malachi 3:18 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. 1 Corinthians 2:14 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. If we cannot judge, then are we supposed to be accepting of evil? Are we supposed to welcome evil into our lives with open arms?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:42:57 GMT
Judging their actions is judging and it's judging righteously. And we must follow that example. And when Jesus was judging them he was telling His disciples to separate from them too. All those verses talk about judging . And last one says if you don't judge then you'll be judged. So, it's not a requirement to judge but be prepared to be judged I don't care to dominate you one bit Since this caught my eye. U both are running parallel... Referring a completely different and a specific version of judgement according as how u two interpret it. God is beyond all good and evil, with all good being found in and through him with no evil (deficiency) present. Man, as an image or extension of god, follows this similiar premise but it subject to the judgments he makes (you reap what you sow) and in effect judges himself through an inherent seperation from the creator. To seperate others is to seperate oneself, to unifying oneself (through God as the ultimate source of unity through which we extend) is to unifying oneself and others. Man, made in the image of God, is the means of truth, hence what we understand of Gods can be observed as but not limited to "the ultimate means as origin".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:43:59 GMT
Since this caught my eye. U both are running parallel... Referring a completely different and a specific version of judgement according as how u two interpret it. Judging is discerning. Malachi 3:18 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. 1 Corinthians 2:14 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. If we cannot judge, then are we supposed to be accepting of evil? Are we supposed to welcome evil into our lives with open arms? People yes, evil no. Every person has inherent good and bad, through their actions. Accept what is good and reject what is evil. If you disagree with a person over there faith, accept them because of the good they do. Are you and Elizabeth completely innocent?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 20:44:48 GMT
@eodnhoj7 Yes, I follow Jesus. If it offends you that isn't my problem. And one of God's missions on earth was to divide. Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.Luke 12:51 Did I just not say it's actions not appearance with this verse? Hmm... Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John:7:24 Yes, and when they didn't change their actions He told us to depart from them like when Pharisees didn't want to change then Jesus told His disciples to beware of these bad people. Bad company ruins good morals. All this is written in bible. Well, I just hope they know Jesus is the way if they plan to go to heaven... Says to judge righteously. The way God judges. I don't do anything different. Just means you've an issue with Jesus not me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:48:09 GMT
@eodnhoj7 Yes, I follow Jesus. If it offends you that isn't my problem. And one of God's missions on earth was to divide. Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.Luke 12:51 Did I just not say it's actions not appearance with this verse? Hmm... Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John:7:24 Yes, and when they didn't change their actions He told us to depart from them like when Pharisees didn't want to change then Jesus told His disciples to beware of these bad people. Bad company ruins good morals. All this is written in bible. Well, I just hope they know Jesus is the way if they plan to go to heaven... Says to judge righteously. The way God judges. I don't do anything different. Just means you've an issue with Jesus not me. According to scripture you are not even allowed to teach or preach to men. All I am saying is that your action of saying which faith will go to hell or not is wrong.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 14, 2018 20:48:14 GMT
Judging is discerning. Malachi 3:18 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. 1 Corinthians 2:14 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. If we cannot judge, then are we supposed to be accepting of evil? Are we supposed to welcome evil into our lives with open arms? People yes, evil no. Every person has inherent good and bad, through their actions. Accept what is good and reject what is evil. If you disagree with a person over there faith, accept them because of the good they do. Are you and Elizabeth completely innocent? So, should I welcome the devil into my life?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:48:31 GMT
What john doe basically means if we take out all the fancy linguistic skills. Which makes sense too is that. We are all equal in God's eye. Creating divisions and dividing people into categories, surely does not make sense and not the work of God but people.
Elizabeth is referring to elevating your soul through virtues and good deeds to be separated from those who dont live by God's codes of conduct. This particular division of living the life this way, is her difference and landing her into a specific category (division)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:52:46 GMT
People yes, evil no. Every person has inherent good and bad, through their actions. Accept what is good and reject what is evil. If you disagree with a person over there faith, accept them because of the good they do. Are you and Elizabeth completely innocent? So, should I welcome the devil into my life? Your judgements of other's act like him...based off your fruits I just assumed he already was welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 20:52:51 GMT
Dk trav to the support again. Even when Elizabeth was handling it pretty well. what a good Christian being
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