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Post by jonbain on Jul 13, 2018 19:53:25 GMT
Its a bit perturbing that this forum only seems to recognize the 3 divided types of Christianism: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxy.
I happen to consider such divisions the work of Satan, and those who buy into them have vested interests in collecting tithes, and thus are sacramentarians: not True Christians.
As a mystic, I see Christ's teachings as being transcendental to church. In the parable of the good Samaritan, he clearly shows that one's actions are what are vital, not which symbols one wears.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 14, 2018 17:02:13 GMT
Of course, a member of the Church is saved by faith in Jesus Christ .. but the Bible teaches to imitate the of all faith of the pioneers of the Christian religion.. Why did I leave the video here? I can not explain everything in English well? you do not understand ??? Honestly, your style of communication is a Protestant style .. I've written to you before .. we are not part of your world and culture..let the Baptists and Methodists and so on say - Only the Bible - in result they have conflict because of the Scriptures .. it's your reality .. look at the world wide! I agree, a member of the body of Christ is saved by faith in Jesus Christ. How do you determine if your teachers are in the correct faith and how do you determine if they are teaching you correctly? As for our teachers, these are holy people who had a clear Christian image of love, goodness, zeal for the Lord nothing evil (that is, after a meeting with Christ) they fought against heresies ... for example St. Nicholas, among other things, successfully fought against the heresy of Arianism .. These are the pillars of the Faith in Christ .. they stand behind the canon of the Bible.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 14, 2018 17:26:19 GMT
Protestants believe in the invisible Church... And if he does not listen to the church, then he will be to you, like a heathen and a publican. Matthew 18:17 Where is the Church to be if it is invisible? Where to turn in such cases? Protestants say -Sola Scriptura- that God helps them understand the Bible, but for example I always see Protestants who interpret the Bible in different ways . I myself was a supporter of the neo-protestant approach before.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 14, 2018 17:41:08 GMT
Protestants believe in the invisible Church... And if he does not listen to the church, then he will be to you, like a heathen and a publican. Matthew 18:17 Where is the Church to be if it is invisible? Where to turn in such cases? Protestants say -Sola Scriptura- that God helps them understand the Bible, but for example I always see Protestants who interpret the Bible in different ways . I myself was a supporter of the neo-protestant approach before. I think we established long ago that all Protestants are not the same, yet you continue to generalize. Why?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 14, 2018 17:44:56 GMT
I agree, a member of the body of Christ is saved by faith in Jesus Christ. How do you determine if your teachers are in the correct faith and how do you determine if they are teaching you correctly? As for our teachers, these are holy people who had a clear Christian image of love, goodness, zeal for the Lord nothing evil (that is, after a meeting with Christ) they fought against heresies ... for example St. Nicholas, among other things, successfully fought against the heresy of Arianism .. These are the pillars of the Faith in Christ .. they stand behind the canon of the Bible. That didn't really answer my questions. I'll ask them a different way. How do you determine that what your teachers are teaching is truth?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 14, 2018 17:47:38 GMT
I agree, a member of the body of Christ is saved by faith in Jesus Christ. How do you determine if your teachers are in the correct faith and how do you determine if they are teaching you correctly? If you mean by "How do I know which denomination is true denomination" Protestants are There really isn't a real way to determine a "right" church, God works through many different churches to establish his sovereign will, I personally am looking for a deeper understanding of the bible and Jesus, I don't want to only worship God in keeping certain festivals and worshiping this saint or that saint (Pagans and Heathenish religions do the same), I want a deeper understanding of him with him, If a saint can do it then why can't I, but I also want to be of him, like he said in 1 John. 1 John 4:4 (KJV)
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. If you are looking for more of a deeper cultivating relationship with Christ in the spirit, then a church that focuses on the spiritual (I.E mainstream protestant churches) is the way to go. If you are looking for a more of an authoritative church then the catholic church is a way to go, Either way if your confused always remember there is always a God who is willing to answer you If you have more questions then you can ask me. Dwight L. MoodySo are you saying there is no way to determine whether a local church is a part of the body or Christ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 17:51:54 GMT
I think we established long ago that all Protestants are not the same, yet you continue to generalize. Why? Why are you looking for differences rather than common bonds?
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Post by hermitcrab on Jul 14, 2018 18:22:56 GMT
Its a bit perturbing that this forum only seems to recognize the 3 divided types of Christianism: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxy. I happen to consider such divisions the work of Satan, and those who buy into them have vested interests in collecting tithes, and thus are sacramentarians: not True Christians. As a mystic, I see Christ's teachings as being transcendental to church. In the parable of the good Samaritan, he clearly shows that one's actions are what are vital, not which symbols one wears. Actions are most certainly vital, no Orthodox Christian will ever contend this point. Faith demands a life that corresponds to faith, or it shall die. Not entirely sure what you mean by "sacramentarian". I also agree that the schisms that split various groups from the Orthodox Faith were the work of the Devil. Arius, Nestorius, many others and their various heretical doctrines were rightfully refuted for their error and summarily went into schism and thus away from the Church. Twisting the parable of the Good Samaritan to mean "there is no actual church, we're all the same really" is utterly disingenuous. The parable demonstrates a function of the Church in its responsibility to perform acts of Christian love and compassion for both believers and unbelievers.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 14, 2018 18:36:04 GMT
I think we established long ago that all Protestants are not the same, yet you continue to generalize. Why? Because they have a term -Sola Scriptura!- and do not find unity ..
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 18:44:55 GMT
WHY THE HELL THIS THREAD IS IN HERE ???? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHRISTIANITY SECTION Starting to hope it just burns away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 18:47:49 GMT
WHY THE HELL THIS THREAD IS IN HERE ???? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHRISTIANITY SECTION Starting to hope it just burns away. It will just fragment away, much like a fire fragments an object, and in effect "burn up".
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 14, 2018 18:56:27 GMT
As for our teachers, these are holy people who had a clear Christian image of love, goodness, zeal for the Lord nothing evil (that is, after a meeting with Christ) they fought against heresies ... for example St. Nicholas, among other things, successfully fought against the heresy of Arianism .. These are the pillars of the Faith in Christ .. they stand behind the canon of the Bible. That didn't really answer my questions. I'll ask them a different way. How do you determine that what your teachers are teaching is truth? Tradition always preceded writing. Remember that the canon was finally formulated in 3-4 centuries. The apostles left their teaching in the local churches, and their disciples reported everything. The Fathers of the Church did not contribute anything, but simply accepted what they had been handed over .. (Greek Ιερά Παράδοση) Is your view that this is a mistake and that the Church did not follow the Bible? The apostle Paul, for his part, writes that glory will be given to God in the Church in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, from age to age (Ephesians 3:21). That is, the Church, created by Christ and spread through the apostles, will exist throughout all subsequent generations and glorify God. The Protestants' assurances that this Church seemed to have disappeared for a whole 1,500 years, directly contradict these biblical words. There is another promise that the Lord has given. He said: Behold, I am with you always, to the very end of the age (Matthew 28:20). The Lord not only promises that the Church will in itself be stable, He promises that He will be with His Church all the days until the end of the age. Here, as we see, there is not a word that the Lord is going to pause from the II to the XVI century. Or, especially, for the XIX century. There is another interesting question to the Protestants. You say that only the Bible is holy to you, and that it is from the Bible that you have come to the conclusion that from the second century the true Church disappeared, having become infected with paganism. And who and when approved the canon of the New Testament? Who decreed that from the many monuments of ancient Christianity these books are the Holy Scripture, part of the Bible? Answer: it happened in 364 at the Laodicean Council of that same Church, which you consider to be deviant in paganism and whose historical continuation is the Orthodox Church. No one can name the earlier date of the canon of the New Testament, as we know it now. If the True Church did not exist in the 4 century, then the Bible, which was compiled(canon) and preserved by this historic Church, is also deprived of authority.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 14, 2018 19:03:50 GMT
Continue to answer your question! DKTrav88The Epistle of St. Clement of Rome, a disciple of the Apostles. Fl. 4: 3:Then read the documents that were written in the II century. And I read them, including those written directly by disciples of the apostles, such as St. Polycarp of Smyrna, St. Ignatius the God-bearer. That is, - I emphasize, - these texts were written by those who personally knew the apostles and received Christian teaching from them. After that, go to the III century and read all the Christian texts of that time. Then he moved to the IV century and so on. You will see that throughout all these centuries the Church has remained the same in its teaching. The wording of the dogma could change, but the creed itself is now in the Orthodox Church the same as it was at the time of the apostles and their disciples. Of course, I do not ask anyone to take my word for it. If I talk with Protestants, I suggest that they check. Take the texts and check. Everything is in the public domain! Have a good day!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 19:16:03 GMT
I think we established long ago that all Protestants are not the same, yet you continue to generalize. Why? Why are you looking for differences rather than common bonds? Because bible tells us to. It then wants us to correct or rebuke them. Jesus tried to correct Pharisees and Sadducees but they weren't willing so Jesus said they'll receive damnation. And not just regular damnation but greater. And Paul always went to correct and strengthen the churches to make sure they do the will of God. If you don't look for those differences you'll die. People dislike a doctor so they find another. I just read on the news that a certain female was supposed to be rejected for treatment in normal situations but they didn't care about all her issues. They went with the treatment and now she's buried in the grave. Smh
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 19:39:50 GMT
Why are you looking for differences rather than common bonds? Because bible tells us to. It then wants us to correct or rebuke them. Jesus tried to correct Pharisees and Sadducees but they weren't willing so Jesus said they'll receive damnation. And not just regular damnation but greater. And Paul always went to correct and strengthen the churches to make sure they do the will of God. If you don't look for those differences you'll die. People dislike a doctor so they find another. I just read on the news that a certain female was supposed to be rejected for treatment in normal situations but they didn't care about all her issues. They went with the treatment and now she's buried in the grave. Smh We will be judged according to our judgements. "19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." 1 Corinthians 9 19-23 Seeking to seperate people it to in effect seeking dominion over them.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 14, 2018 19:44:31 GMT
Because bible tells us to. It then wants us to correct or rebuke them. Jesus tried to correct Pharisees and Sadducees but they weren't willing so Jesus said they'll receive damnation. And not just regular damnation but greater. And Paul always went to correct and strengthen the churches to make sure they do the will of God. If you don't look for those differences you'll die. People dislike a doctor so they find another. I just read on the news that a certain female was supposed to be rejected for treatment in normal situations but they didn't care about all her issues. They went with the treatment and now she's buried in the grave. Smh We will be judged according to our judgements. "19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." 1 Corinthians 9 19-23 Seeking to seperate people it to in effect seeking dominion over them. Well, Jesus is doing just that He's a doctor too it says. There are bad and good doctors out there too as my example stated. That girl died at 19 because her doctor was bad and didn't care to separate her from those who were healthy for treatment. I hope he was fired!
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