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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 21:23:09 GMT
Yeah, me too. I investigated Christianity twice, and Judaism once. I have read the Torah halfway and I had to stop, I was so bored with it to be honest. Christianity was way more interesting to read about, but there are never ending teachings, interpretations, denominations in it. So I ended up burning my mind and kept being an agnostic. It's cool we have another agnostic here. But also with Chrsitianity I'd suggest just go with the interpretation you get when you read it yourself. Just make sure the interpretation fits in all the other times that same verse gets repeated elsewhere. So that way you keep the interpretation consistent throughout the bible and it'll always make sense with that same meaning and if no other verses conflict that meaning. But just my suggestion in case you ever give it a 3rd try. Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 30, 2018 21:25:22 GMT
It's cool we have another agnostic here. But also with Chrsitianity I'd suggest just go with the interpretation you get when you read it yourself. Just make sure the interpretation fits in all the other times that same verse gets repeated elsewhere. So that way you keep the interpretation consistent throughout the bible and it'll always make sense with that same meaning and if no other verses conflict that meaning. But just my suggestion in case you ever give it a 3rd try. Shrug Yeah, only God/Jesus can do it and die for sins not a plain human. But anyway don't need this thread going off topic. It's mostly about Islam Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 21:31:35 GMT
Yeah, only God/Jesus can do it and die for sins not a plain human. But anyway don't need this thread going off topic. It's mostly about Islam Shrug It was a reply to your consistency comment. But yeah u make sense. Man can't but Jesus can. Let me find something else more interesting 😊
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 30, 2018 21:35:10 GMT
It's cool we have another agnostic here. But also with Chrsitianity I'd suggest just go with the interpretation you get when you read it yourself. Just make sure the interpretation fits in all the other times that same verse gets repeated elsewhere. So that way you keep the interpretation consistent throughout the bible and it'll always make sense with that same meaning and if no other verses conflict that meaning. But just my suggestion in case you ever give it a 3rd try. Everything has its explanation! But I do not think that you will find someone here whose answer can satisfy you!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 21:39:33 GMT
Yeah, only God/Jesus can do it and die for sins not a plain human. But anyway don't need this thread going off topic. It's mostly about Islam Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 21:42:56 GMT
Everything has its explanation! But I do not think that you will find someone here whose answer can satisfy you! Exactly when the whole basis is nothing but crowd control and clear cut flawed. Its really stupid to to even divelge your mind into it
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 30, 2018 21:53:53 GMT
Yeah, only God/Jesus can do it and die for sins not a plain human. But anyway don't need this thread going off topic. It's mostly about Islam Well, if they were actually written right it would contradict. So let's look what it really says God wants the world to be saved through His Son as the first verses says.John 3:17 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 144,000 redeeemed because they chose to follow HimRevelation 14:1-4 14 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. God wants all men to be saved by knowing the thruth.1 Timothy 2: 2-3 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. God doesn't want anyone to perish2 Peter 3:9 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. This verse has more to it. But basically they didn't want to see the truth to be saved so God didn't let them see it since it's their free will.John 12:40 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.” Still 0 contradictions. He came to save the world because He didn't want anyone to perish but not everyone wanted to be saved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 22:01:13 GMT
Well, if they were actually written right it would contradict. So let's look what it really says God wants the world to be saved through His Son as the first verses says.John 3:17 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 144,000 redeeemed because they chose to follow HimRevelation 14:1-4 14 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. God wants all men to be saved by knowing the thruth.1 Timothy 2: 2-3 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. God doesn't want anyone to perish2 Peter 3:9 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. This verse has more to it. But basically they didn't want to see the truth to be saved so God didn't let them see it since it's their free will.John 12:40 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.” Still 0 contradictions. He came to save the world because He didn't want anyone to perish but not everyone wanted to be saved. Ok agree with u there..perhaps they were trolling u guys leaving out the whole stuff. About 144, 000 rings me bell of 124,000 prophets. Thought it s only them to a saved for sure. Who are the excess 10,000
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 23:01:38 GMT
Bible is nothing, but a contradiction. BUT it doesn't mean anything.
I can prove here that Bible is good, even being super contradictionary, and men who read Bible are fools.
Here it is: a) All words have meaning; spare words (aricles 'the', etc) are helpful; b) Combinations of words have meaning in the context in #1 case: - context is consistency to a theme; - #1 case means that there is at least one person who understand this context; c) All men are different; they get different experience; d) Different experiences fill different persons's words with specific shapes of imagination; e) Meaning might depend on imagination; f) Combinations of words have meaning in the context in #2 case: - context is consistency to a theme; - #2 case means that there are at least two persons which the first one has meaning #1, and the second one has the meaning #2; g) Themes are originated from the same set of words as everything else: - Thinking is 'moving' of words; - A theme is a specific combination; h) A theme sets a specific rules; i) Rules might be different (e,h); j) Contexts might be different (b,f,i); -| Everyone understands texts as what they want it to be. (Bible as a resource has endlessly meanings; among those meaning there are many which are inconsistent with the other). (The rest of meaning is good as long as consistent meanings are good).
Including arguments above: k) A person has a meaning (d); l) He knows that he can trust just on his own experience: - He has unique experience (c); - The other ones have other experience; m) The person has true, or false meaning; m') Let's suppose he has a true one; n') If he has a true one, then the rest of meanings are: - either false ones; - among them, there can be true ones: -- If there are the other true ones meanings, then they are fail, because of inconsistency; o') The rest of meanings are false (m',n'); p') The other persons are making mistakes; n) Making mistakes is to not lead true experience: - close experience is never fail; - everything else is belief; - belief is not true experience* - Reading Bible is not the same as hearing the stories from someone about Bible; q') The other persons have not true experience (p',n); o) The other persons didn't read Bible, i.e. they are irrelevant at all to the theme; p) But everyone else did read Bible (conditional); q) The rest have the right meaning too. -| The reading Bible person is false, i.e. fool, because it's not smart to trust meaningful/false meanings.
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Post by MEGA on Jul 3, 2018 1:14:26 GMT
NOPE!Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? John 15:15-17 King James Version (KJV) 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another. ONLY HIS FRIENDS ARE INVITED TO HIS FATHERS HOUSE!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 10, 2018 2:01:15 GMT
unknown when did you get into Christian discussions?
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