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Post by AmericanCharm on Jun 28, 2018 3:07:13 GMT
Some people have referred to Metal/Rock music as the Devils music. As a Metal head/rocker I have heard this plenty of times and certain aspects of the music may lead one to have that impression. Some bands sing about Hell and Lucifer. Embracing darker colors and rebellious nature.
There are some interesting passages that have caught my interest in the past about Lucifer, his musical abilities, and connection with music. I’d like to hear the opinions of some believers on this subject.
Ezekiel 28:13- Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Tabrets and pipes are musical instruments.
Isaiah 14:11-12- "Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols [stringed instruments like a harp]: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
In Job 38:7 it’s says “When the MORNING STARS sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
It sounds as though Lucifer was created with the tabrets and pipes in him and was certainly capable of making music. Also hypothetically looking at it as if I were a believer (as I am not, I look at this as I would look at mythology) this could appear that Lucifer was a song maker for the "sons of God" choir.
Furthermore before Satan fell he was described as “the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty” and “He was persuasive enough to convince one-third of the angels to join him in his rebellion” (Revelation 12:4). He was described as perfect in all ways in until iniquity got him.
After he fell it is stated “Even after his fall from heaven, not even Michael the archangel dared to stand up to him without the Lord’s help (Jude 9)”. Now after he fell he didn’t lose the abilities god gave him. So he kept the tabrets and pipes. But is it possible (hypothetical question to believers) that instead of using them to bring glory to God he used them to turn humankind against the creator?
One only has to look at the messages behind much of rap/hip hop and even metal/rock as well to a much lesser degree to find plenty of things promoting “sinful” behavior.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 28, 2018 21:22:52 GMT
Thank you for your very detailed answer. And I'm sorry for another question. What do you think about of helping the other persons who believes in something? What do I mean, for example there are some good believers who believes in God, and they sick of some disease. And they would want you (or me, or someone else) to become a believer. I think that each of believers want to see someone's taking his side, if this believer loves people (or just this man in example), and he believes that his faith is true. So, to please this believer you (or me, or someone else) need to become a believer to help him. What did you do in such occasion? Would you become a believer to save someone's life? I think a lot of believers do look at things that way that because they care about someone they want them to follow the same faith as them because they believe it is correct, they believe that is how they can be saved. But I would not become a believer to please someone just because they are sick or dying even if I loved them very much. I cannot manufacture faith, and I can’t believe something out of principle. I am either convinced or I am not. Yeah, doing it to please someone isn't the right way. You're not fully in that belief then. But yeah it's a personal matter what someone believes and it should be completely to the person to decide.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 21:48:31 GMT
I think a lot of believers do look at things that way that because they care about someone they want them to follow the same faith as them because they believe it is correct, they believe that is how they can be saved. But I would not become a believer to please someone just because they are sick or dying even if I loved them very much. I cannot manufacture faith, and I can’t believe something out of principle. I am either convinced or I am not. Yeah, doing it to please someone isn't the right way. You're not fully in that belief then. But yeah it's a personal matter what someone believes and it should be completely to the person to decide. Elizabeth, imagine that you really love someone, and this man does not agree on you at some point. This point is very important one. For example, you love someone and tell him: "Do be careful driving car being drunk", and this person doesn't want you to listen no matters what. He says that - this is the breakout between yours and his meanings; he says that it's his necessary way to believe to drive being drunk is good. What would you do? In this case: would you try to save him by enlightening him with the truth (about danger of drunk wheeling), or you would leave him alone?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 28, 2018 22:05:12 GMT
Yeah, doing it to please someone isn't the right way. You're not fully in that belief then. But yeah it's a personal matter what someone believes and it should be completely to the person to decide. Elizabeth, imagine that you really love someone, and this man does not agree on you at some point. This point is very important one. For example, you love someone and tell him: "Do be careful driving car being drunk", and this person doesn't want you to listen no matters what. He says that - this is the breakout between yours and his meanings; he says that it's his necessary way to believe to drive being drunk is good. What would you do? In this case: would you try to save him by enlightening him with the truth (about danger of drunk wheeling), or you would leave him alone? Of course I will enlighten as I do by sharing Christianity since I know they'll get hurt otherwise. But whether they listen or not is not in my powers. You can only enlighten and hope for the best. Shrug
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 28, 2018 22:09:10 GMT
I just want to say that I don't recommend using "Lucifer" and "Satan" as synonyms. Thank you for your attention. Lucifer means bringer of light...but satan has no light.. he lost it when he fell! -no wonder, for satan himself masquerades as an angel of light-2 Cor. 11:14.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 28, 2018 22:11:16 GMT
Elizabeth, imagine that you really love someone, and this man does not agree on you at some point. This point is very important one. For example, you love someone and tell him: "Do be careful driving car being drunk", and this person doesn't want you to listen no matters what. He says that - this is the breakout between yours and his meanings; he says that it's his necessary way to believe to drive being drunk is good. What would you do? In this case: would you try to save him by enlightening him with the truth (about danger of drunk wheeling), or you would leave him alone? Of course I will enlighten as I do by sharing Christianity since I know they'll get hurt otherwise. But whether they listen or not is not in my powers. You can only enlighten and hope for the best. but before you warn anyone, you have to be sure whether it is true or not. you can't be presumptuous. Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 28, 2018 22:13:56 GMT
Of course I will enlighten as I do by sharing Christianity since I know they'll get hurt otherwise. But whether they listen or not is not in my powers. You can only enlighten and hope for the best. but before you warn anyone, you have to be sure whether it is true or not. you can't be presumptuous. That's why I use Jesus' words only as in the Word of God. They're 100% true since God can't lie. Nothing else will come close!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 28, 2018 22:20:30 GMT
but before you warn anyone, you have to be sure whether it is true or not. you can't be presumptuous. That's why I use Jesus' words only as in the Word of God. They're 100% true since God can't lie. Nothing else will come close! Words it is true but one guy also followed the instructions of their pills and got poisoned sigh ....Why? he did not understand the key of this instruction...it was in the shelf life...the pills were over 2 years old!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 28, 2018 22:28:43 GMT
That's why I use Jesus' words only as in the Word of God. They're 100% true since God can't lie. Nothing else will come close! Words it is true but one guy also followed the instructions of their pills and got poisoned sigh ....Why? he did not understand the key of this instruction...it was in the shelf life...the pills were over 2 years old! That's why they must study scripture. And if they really want to understand it then God will make them understand it. But if they don't want to open their eyes then nothing will ever matter to how much they read it. Shrug
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 28, 2018 22:30:53 GMT
Words it is true but one guy also followed the instructions of their pills and got poisoned ....Why? he did not understand the key of this instruction...it was in the shelf life...the pills were over 2 years old! That's why they must study scripture. And if they really want to understand it then God will make them understand it. But if they don't want to open their eyes then nothing will ever matter to how much they read it. Not just to read, but to read right. As a result of incorrect reading you might think that the devil is just a musician! Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 28, 2018 22:47:09 GMT
That's why they must study scripture. And if they really want to understand it then God will make them understand it. But if they don't want to open their eyes then nothing will ever matter to how much they read it. Not just to read, but to read right. As a result of incorrect reading you might think that the devil is just a musician! Shrug That's why I said you need God's help to understand as scripture says.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 29, 2018 6:59:22 GMT
Not just to read, but to read right. As a result of incorrect reading you might think that the devil is just a musician! That's why I said you need God's help to understand as scripture says. We must not forget about the boy who used the instruction badly!
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