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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 12, 2018 8:25:27 GMT
This is a quote I found online that an agnostic said. What do you think of his reasoning?
"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time."
Personally, I think he doesn't believe in physical things that exist before his eyes too then. If any of you are familiar with little kids, especially toddlers, all they want to do is be praised. That's why you see parents say, "Yay! You did it!" And the kid beams in happiness because loves hearing this praise all the time. So it's like that sentence the agnostic said would mean he doesn't believe in living humans being too which seek praise all the time. Definitely, wouldn't send my little nephews over to him. He won't think they're real and they could die. Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 13, 2018 6:12:11 GMT
"Which laws of science do you mean? Like watering trees and plants so they can grow and benefit the world?" I wouldn't exactly say those are laws of science... "God does not impose laws on us (other than the laws of science). We have free will and scriptures are guidebooks for how to live optimally in this world. If we choose not to follow scripture, then we simply suffer the consequences of a suboptimal society." That doesn't answer the WHY though, it's clear he doesn't impose hard laws on us, but WHY wouldn't he? If his way is best, wouldn't it be best TO do so? On top of that, what is optimal? It's all perspective really, not only that, but how does something like adultery actually make society sub-optimal? if all parties involved are consenting, so what? But he said "following" and gravity isn't something we can choose to follow or not. It's something we must accept and have no choice on. However, planting trees is a law we can choose to do which can benefit the world. Laws are laws when they can be broken and gravity can't be broken so we can't follow it just accept but whether we take care of the land or not can be a law because we can break it. Just how I see it Shrug
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Post by Freebite on Jun 14, 2018 3:29:44 GMT
"But he said "following" and gravity isn't something we can choose to follow or not. It's something we must accept and have no choice on. However, planting trees is a law we can choose to do which can benefit the world. Laws are laws when they can be broken and gravity can't be broken so we can't follow it just accept but whether we take care of the land or not can be a law because we can break it. Just how I see it Shrug" You're using law in the legal sense, he, and I was meaning law as in physical, scientific laws, like gravity.
"Because it is dysgenic, it causes evolutionary decay." Couple of things, I wasn't meaning necessarily about having kids, though it still wouldn't cause evolutionary decay as having those undesirable traits would make those that inherited them less likely to have offspring and so on so forth meaning those traits would fairly literally die off. As for that link you posted, there are things that I agree with like how having 2 attentive parents is better than having just one, but it fails to realize something, we have made our environment so suited for the modern human, that there is really no survival pressure to evolve as a species anymore. The only exception I can possibly come up with is with disease, and even then with modern medicine that pressure is minimized. The only thing driving evolution now is societal desires, so largely it will just be aesthetics, that "sexy son" that post talks about will be where humans go as a species now. So back to my original question, how does adultery hurt society if all parties are consenting?
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Post by fschmidt on Jun 14, 2018 5:04:35 GMT
Couple of things, I wasn't meaning necessarily about having kids, though it still wouldn't cause evolutionary decay as having those undesirable traits would make those that inherited them less likely to have offspring and so on so forth meaning those traits would fairly literally die off. These 2 statements contradict each other. This first is false now but will be true later. The second is true now but will be false later. Humanity has not reached a permanent plateau. Replace humans with chimps and the whole thing collapses. And human intelligence is rapidly decaying to chimp level thanks to the dysgenic effect of feminism.
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Post by Freebite on Jun 14, 2018 23:07:55 GMT
Couple of things, I wasn't meaning necessarily about having kids, though it still wouldn't cause evolutionary decay as having those undesirable traits would make those that inherited them less likely to have offspring and so on so forth meaning those traits would fairly literally die off. These 2 statements contradict each other. This first is false now but will be true later. The second is true now but will be false later. Humanity has not reached a permanent plateau. Replace humans with chimps and the whole thing collapses. And human intelligence is rapidly decaying to chimp level thanks to the dysgenic effect of feminism. They actually don't contradict each other, really, as those undesirable traits WOULD die off, but those undesirable traits, in the modern day environment, would be things like genetic disabilities not just minor changes. As for human intelligence decaying, I argue otherwise, as individuals we are in general getting slightly dumber than our ancestors, except in that our brains have been able to specialize more and more, an ancient human would need to know how to hunt, gather, fight, etc, while now its actually MUCH more effective to do one thing very well and not spend time on the rest of our skills. As for that feminism thing... what? I mean I agree the neo-nazi feminism IS a problem, I actually have the privilege of having a family member who subscribes to that way of thinking, but that is a very new thing and it's hard to say which way that will go.
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