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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 12, 2018 3:20:07 GMT
A side by side comparison of Roman Catholic teachings and Biblical doctrine. Roman Catholic Teachings
1)The bishops, with the pope as their head, rule the universal Church.
2)God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.
3)The pope is infallible in his teaching.
4)Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God.
5)Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.
6)Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.
7)Initial justification is by means of baptism.
8)Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works.
9)Grace is merited by good works.
10)Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments.
11)No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.
12)The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.
13)Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic church around the world.
14)The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the sacrifice of the Mass.
15)Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin.
16)The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.
| Biblical Doctrine
1)Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).
2)God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).
3)God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).
4)Scripture alone is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Mark 7:1-13).
5)Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18,19).
6)Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13,14; 1 Peter 5:7).
7)Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).
8)God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause (Ephesians 2:8-10).
9)Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).
10)Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:10).
11)The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).
12)There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, âfor there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be savedâ (Acts 4:12).
13)The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12,13).
14)The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).
15)The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).
16)The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 13:43:18 GMT
Matthew 7:13-14 KJV [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Continuation Luke 13:23-27 23 Then one said to Him, âLord, are there few who are saved?â And He said to them, 24 â Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.So many are trying to enter heaven but won't. So are all (dead) catholics/orthodox in hell?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 13:44:22 GMT
Contradiction between red and blue. So if the Catholics Shrink...they will become chosen? No. His sheep must actually choose Him. You think if the Pharisees shrunk God will choose them? No, God said they don't follow Him and they only think they do. Many think they follow Him but they don't. That's wht God rejected them. Yes, big group but the big group didn't follow Him. They said their tradition is right and biblical and God said no it wasn't. You said only a few out of all denomination will go to heaven. However all in some denominations will go to hell. This is where your logic contradicts.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 14:15:27 GMT
John 1:5 (KJV) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:19:29 GMT
John 1:5 (KJV) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. And how does this verse apply to the logic of the thread?
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 15:00:42 GMT
John 1:5 (KJV) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. And how does this verse apply to the logic of the thread? Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 15:08:44 GMT
And how does this verse apply to the logic of the thread? Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. How how does this verse apply to the logic of the thread?
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 15:27:30 GMT
Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. How how does this verse apply to the logic of the thread? Galatians 2:20 (KJV) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. ... John 17:17 (KJV) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. ... Logic- reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. Truth- that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 15:30:37 GMT
How how does this verse apply to the logic of the thread? Galatians 2:20 (KJV) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. ... John 17:17 (KJV) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. ... Logic- reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. And what is reasoning, considering this is what logic tends toward?Truth- that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality And what is a fact, what is a reality?How how does this verse apply to the logic of the thread?
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 15:38:35 GMT
Timothy 2:23-26 (KJV)
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 14, 2018 15:44:11 GMT
So which are they? The sheep or the goats? "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Luke 6:37 That verse is literally saying if you donât want to be judged then donât judge. All will be judged in the end as it is according to scripture. According to the scriptures, being understood through trust in the Holy Spirit, who are the sheep and who are the goats? Let scripture answer that for you, Matthew 25:31-40 KJV [31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee ? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee ? [39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? [40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:41-46 KJV [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Do you understand what this passage is saying? You said yourself already âJudge a tree by its fruitsâ, but now are you trying to say not to judge? However, God does tell us to judge more than once, but he says to judge a righteous judgment, Proverbs 31:9 KJV [9] Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. And here, Christ asks a Pharisee named Simon to judge, and tells him that he judged rightly, Luke 7:39-43 KJV [39] Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it , he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. [40] And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. [41] There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. [42] And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? [43] Simon answered and said, I suppose that he , to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. John 7:24 KJV [24] Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. The scriptures are profitable for instruction in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: What is righteousness according to the scriptures? Let the Bible define itself, James 2:23 KJV [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness. The scriptures are Godâs word, if you believe the scriptures, righteousness is imputed unto you. Christians are to be Christlike; what did Christ do? He referred to the scriptures at least 78 times. And the apostles did as well at least 209 times; that is, they referred to Godâs word and believed it, and righteousness was imputed unto them as well.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 15:45:29 GMT
John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 15:52:14 GMT
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Luke 6:37 That verse is literally saying if you donât want to be judged then donât judge. All will be judged in the end as it is according to scripture. According to the scriptures, being understood through trust in the Holy Spirit, who are the sheep and who are the goats? Let scripture answer that for you, Matthew 25:31-40 KJV [31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee ? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee ? [39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? [40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:41-46 KJV [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Do you understand what this passage is saying? You said yourself already âJudge a tree by its fruitsâ, but now are you trying to say not to judge? However, God does tell us to judge more than once, but he says to judge a righteous judgment, Proverbs 31:9 KJV [9] Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. And here, Christ asks a Pharisee named Simon to judge, and tells him that he judged rightly, Luke 7:39-43 KJV [39] Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it , he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. [40] And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. [41] There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. [42] And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? [43] Simon answered and said, I suppose that he , to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. John 7:24 KJV [24] Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. The scriptures are profitable for instruction in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: What is righteousness according to the scriptures? Let the Bible define itself, James 2:23 KJV [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness. The scriptures are Godâs word, if you believe the scriptures, righteousness is imputed unto you. Christians are to be Christlike; what did Christ do? He referred to the scriptures at least 78 times. And the apostles did as well at least 209 times; that is, they referred to Godâs word and believed it, and righteousness was imputed unto them as well. Then don't say Catholics are in hell if it does not say directly so in scripture. Judge a tree by its fruits? It appears as if you are saying, if not implying, only you and a select few are going to heaven where everyone else is going to hell. How is that not the ultimate form of judgement?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:03:20 GMT
Timothy 2:23-26 (KJV) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. Are they foolish questions? 1 John 4:1 Verse Concepts Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. So my question is this...how do you verses apply to the thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:06:32 GMT
John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. I am glad you are so wise...tell me is there a correct answer to this thread and if so what is it?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 14, 2018 16:07:27 GMT
That verse is literally saying if you donât want to be judged then donât judge. All will be judged in the end as it is according to scripture. According to the scriptures, being understood through trust in the Holy Spirit, who are the sheep and who are the goats? Let scripture answer that for you, Matthew 25:31-40 KJV [31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee ? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee ? [39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? [40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:41-46 KJV [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Do you understand what this passage is saying? You said yourself already âJudge a tree by its fruitsâ, but now are you trying to say not to judge? However, God does tell us to judge more than once, but he says to judge a righteous judgment, Proverbs 31:9 KJV [9] Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. And here, Christ asks a Pharisee named Simon to judge, and tells him that he judged rightly, Luke 7:39-43 KJV [39] Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it , he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. [40] And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. [41] There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. [42] And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? [43] Simon answered and said, I suppose that he , to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. John 7:24 KJV [24] Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. The scriptures are profitable for instruction in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: What is righteousness according to the scriptures? Let the Bible define itself, James 2:23 KJV [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness. The scriptures are Godâs word, if you believe the scriptures, righteousness is imputed unto you. Christians are to be Christlike; what did Christ do? He referred to the scriptures at least 78 times. And the apostles did as well at least 209 times; that is, they referred to Godâs word and believed it, and righteousness was imputed unto them as well. Then don't say Catholics are in hell if it does not say directly so in scripture. Judge a tree by its fruits? It appears as if you are saying, if not implying, only you and a select few are going to heaven where everyone else is going to hell. How is that not the ultimate form of judgement? Did I say Catholics are in hell? Though, it wouldnât surprise me at all if there were. I donât know for sure who is saved and who isnât, only God does, I can only use scripture as a reference to figure out who is and who isnât, but I will never know for sure is many cases, I donât have the book of life from revelations sitting in front of me nor do I have access to it. YOU said âjudge a tree by its fruitsâ, not I. I was quoting you. âIt appearsâ, thatâs because youâre either not reading the scriptures or you donât understand them. I know that I am saved, not that you have to believe me, I donât care if you do or not, but the scriptures do say, Matthew 7:13-14 KJV [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Luke 13:23-24 KJV [23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, [24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Does this not say there are few that will go to heaven? âare there few that are saved?â âwide is the gate, broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go thereatâ âstrait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth to life, and FEW there be which find it.â Could not be more clear in what it says(I didnât write it).
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