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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 12, 2018 3:20:07 GMT
A side by side comparison of Roman Catholic teachings and Biblical doctrine. Roman Catholic Teachings
1)The bishops, with the pope as their head, rule the universal Church.
2)God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.
3)The pope is infallible in his teaching.
4)Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God.
5)Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.
6)Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.
7)Initial justification is by means of baptism.
8)Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works.
9)Grace is merited by good works.
10)Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments.
11)No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.
12)The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.
13)Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic church around the world.
14)The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the sacrifice of the Mass.
15)Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin.
16)The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.
| Biblical Doctrine
1)Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).
2)God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).
3)God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).
4)Scripture alone is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Mark 7:1-13).
5)Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18,19).
6)Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13,14; 1 Peter 5:7).
7)Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).
8)God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause (Ephesians 2:8-10).
9)Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).
10)Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:10).
11)The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).
12)There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
13)The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12,13).
14)The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).
15)The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).
16)The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3). |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 19, 2018 20:56:17 GMT
this is comedy Considering you appear in more photos with her than your wife on this forum, and you preach "love"...yes it is a comedy. I’m not married lolololol
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2018 20:56:32 GMT
cult n. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. Who’s our leader? Christ? this is ridiculous I agree, you trying to start a cult is ridiculous. It's people like you that cause various people to lose faith in God. The views you and Elizabeth take are extremist in the respect "only a small number" (both of you implied) are "sheep not goats" and will be saved. Such a small number is an extreme and by default you fall under the same judgement you accuses other's of. Elizabeth, but most specifically you, claim to be authorities in your own right and in these respect fall under an authoritarian form. It is by definition, your definition, a cult you are forming...I am only going off of the definition you apply. Let's do this easier. Who said the following verse? Just 2 choices so should be easy. Matthew 22:14 14 “For many are called, but few are chosen. A) Jesus B) Elizabeth
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 19, 2018 20:57:27 GMT
Guess what, neither you or I are Greek scholars. So the scholars are wrong and you are right? God is right
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 19, 2018 20:58:02 GMT
this is comedy Considering you appear in more photos with her than your wife on this forum, and you preach "love"...yes it is a comedy. I should let you keep going with that one, woulda been hilarious
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2018 20:59:11 GMT
This is why you must used scripture only. Ephesians 2 21.in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. Church has 2 definitions. A building and the sheep. I cannot preach in the church but don't need to stay silent outside of it. As Paul said let them wait till later to speak but not in the church. Later means outside the building. The greek speaks for itself. Ephesians observes the metaphor of the holy temple
"Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit."
Let's try it easier. Who did Paul write Ephesians to? Just 2 choices. A) A building that is found in Ephasus that contains people B) something else
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2018 21:01:05 GMT
Let's do it easier. 1. Where do Catholics meet together? With other Catholics2. What is that place: a building or a pineapple or a school bus or a dungeon or a lobster? With other Catholics and Christians...services are not in buildings all of the time. The church does not equal a building....and the greek, as I have said multiple times, does not reference a building. Don't ignore the Greek. That's an F for this question. Because I asked for a place when I said where not with whom they meet with. Ephesians met in a building in Ephasus. And others meet in other buldings where they live.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2018 21:02:55 GMT
Considering you appear in more photos with her than your wife on this forum, and you preach "love"...yes it is a comedy. I should let you keep going with that one, woulda been hilarious Did he just say you're married? When did this happen?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 19, 2018 21:05:48 GMT
I should let you keep going with that one, woulda been hilarious Did he just say you're married? When did this happen? I have no idea I didn’t even know about this I’d like to know where he got that information from... I mean my Facebook is public on here... maybe he thinks I was married to one of my sisters? They’re both in my Facebook profile pic shrug Or he’s just trying to be the comedian that he is
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2018 21:09:16 GMT
Did he just say you're married? When did this happen? I have no idea I didn’t even know about this I’d like to know where he got that information from... I mean my Facebook is public on here... maybe he thinks I was married to one of my sisters? They’re both in my Facebook profile pic shrug So funny. Once someone was saying my aunt was cheating on her husband because another guy was living in their house. But it was my aunt's own brother who came to visit from Ukraine and stayed in their house . The people even told the husband and he's like, "No, my wife isn't cheating on me with her little brother." it's too funny when people come to odd conclusions.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 19, 2018 21:11:40 GMT
I have no idea I didn’t even know about this I’d like to know where he got that information from... I mean my Facebook is public on here... maybe he thinks I was married to one of my sisters? They’re both in my Facebook profile pic shrug So funny. Once someone was saying my aunt was cheating on her husband because another guy was living in their house. But it was my aunt's own brother who came to visit from Ukraine and stayed in their house . The people even told the husband and he's like, "No, my wife isn't cheating on me with her little brother." it's too funny when people come to odd conclusions. Lolololol geez, that’s crazy. I’d really like to hear why he thought I was married though, I’m curious
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:12:52 GMT
Considering you appear in more photos with her than your wife on this forum, and you preach "love"...yes it is a comedy. I’m not married lolololol good, then I mixed you up with another member.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:20:44 GMT
I agree, you trying to start a cult is ridiculous. It's people like you that cause various people to lose faith in God. The views you and Elizabeth take are extremist in the respect "only a small number" (both of you implied) are "sheep not goats" and will be saved. Such a small number is an extreme and by default you fall under the same judgement you accuses other's of. Elizabeth, but most specifically you, claim to be authorities in your own right and in these respect fall under an authoritarian form. It is by definition, your definition, a cult you are forming...I am only going off of the definition you apply. Let's do this easier. Who said the following verse? Just 2 choices so should be easy. Matthew 22:14 14 “For many are called, but few are chosen. A) Jesus B) Elizabeth Considering "you" are quoting scripture the answer is B. Under the answer of A the context of the scripture would be as: Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come. 4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’ 5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9 So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests. 11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless. 13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” In which case it talks about the rejection of God's message, resulting in the rejection of the people. "You reap what you so" can be applied here as people formed the judgements upon which they were judged by. God did not reject these people, they rejected God and hence rejected themselves.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 19, 2018 21:22:18 GMT
The church which you belong to has nothing to do with getting into Heaven. The truth is this… The only ones who are going to inherit The Kingdom, are the ones who are friends with the man who holds the keys , for He’s only letting his friends inside. And Peter was given those keys... I don't think so. Matthew 16:18-19 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven Matthew 16:22 - 24 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. ... He says he will , doesn't say he actually gave them. He calls Peter "Satan" in the next verse, why would Jesus Give the Keys to the Kingdom to Satan? He wouldn't. And when Jesus says "and upon this rock I will build my church" he is referring to himself, Jesus is the rock. The gates of hell shall not prevail against Him and His church "The Church of Christ" because Jesus holds the keys to the gates of hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:24:43 GMT
With other Catholics and Christians...services are not in buildings all of the time. The church does not equal a building....and the greek, as I have said multiple times, does not reference a building. Don't ignore the Greek. That's an F for this question. Because I asked for a place when I said where not with whom they meet with. Ephesians met in a building in Ephasus. And others meet in other buldings where they live. Yes and I gave a place...a group of people considering services are not limited to a building or not. Take for example "He went into the army". The army is not a building but rather a group of people which, as an organization, exists as a place in itself. A place is merely a localization of something or someone, and in respects is not limited to a building. People meet people, or go to people in buildings, however as the Greek observes the Church refers to people not an actual building. In regards to "meeting in a building" quote your source considering services and meetings were in a variety of places (catacombs, public, "buildings" of course, etc.).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:29:36 GMT
And Peter was given those keys... I don't think so. Matthew 16:18-19 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven Matthew 16:22 - 24 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. ... He says he will , doesn't say he actually gave them. He calls Peter "Satan" in the next verse, why would Jesus Give the Keys to the Kingdom to Satan? He wouldn't. And when Jesus says "and upon this rock I will build my church" he is referring to himself, Jesus is the rock. The gates of hell shall not prevail against Him and His church "The Church of Christ" because Jesus holds the keys to the gates of hell. "Upon this rock I will build my Church" is a reference to Peter...Peter literally translates to rock. The Church, as people, is the Body of Christ...this can be observed in the argument below.Considering Peter existed long before us, and "God always keeps his promises", he by default gave the keys to Peter before Peter left. Peter was given the keys...along with the other apostles: www.justforcatholics.org/a46.htmQuestion: Only Peter, not the other apostles, was given the keys to the kingdom of heaven. This means that Peter had supreme authority in the church. Answer: The Lord Jesus told Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven" (Matthew 16:19). Catholic apologists often allude to this passage as important biblical evidence for the papacy. Undoubtedly the Lord entrusted Peter with authority in the church; yet he was never made a pope. To prove the papacy it must be shown that Jesus delegated supreme power to Peter to rule over the entire church, and that this authority is passed on to his alleged successors, the bishops of Rome. Catholic apologists note that since the Lord gave the "keys of the kingdom" to the apostle Peter alone, he must have a unique and superior authority. A Catholic writer states: "Since 'the keys' were confided to Peter alone, we understand that our Lord conferred upon Peter a particular authority within the whole company of the Apostles." [1] Was Peter's authority really "particular" or, to be more exact, "superior"? No, not really, for the Lord goes on to explain how this authority is exercised, saying, "and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Elsewhere, the Lord gave the same authority of binding and loosing to all the apostles (Matthew 18:18; John 20:23). Therefore Peter had an equivalent (not superior) authority to the other apostles. In Matthew 16, Peter is representative of the other apostles and all the Church, who follow him in confessing Jesus the Christ, the Son of the living God. Therefore the whole Church shares the power of the keys. Sometimes Matthew 16 is compared to Isaiah 22:22: "The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; So he shall open, and no one shall shut; And he shall shut, and no one shall open." A Catholic apologist argues, "Christ also gave Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 16:19), a direct reference to Is. 22:22 where the servant Eliakim is granted, using the symbol of the keys, the authority of his master to become the Prime Minister, as it were, of the Davidic Kingdom. Here in Matthew we have Christ using the same language and the same symbol of the keys to grant His authority to His servant Peter, making Peter the Prime Minister of His Kingdom." [2] It is doubtful whether Matthew 16 is at all a direct reference to Isaiah 22. For example, Isaiah speaks about "the key" (singular) while Matthew of "the keys" (plural). There is in fact a direct reference to Isaiah 22 in the New Testament but it is found in Revelations 3:7: "These things says He who is holy, He who is true, 'He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens.'" The person holding the "key of David" is the Lord Jesus Christ, and not Peter or the bishop of Rome. While it is true that Christ did confer authority on Peter, it is also true that this authority was not unique to Peter, nor was it supreme over the other apostles and the entire church. The power of the keys was granted to the whole church to be exercised in the forgiveness of sins. The apostle Peter was the first to open the way of salvation by the preaching of the gospel, first to the Jews at Pentecost and later on to the Gentiles at Cornelius house. The church continues to exercise that authority through the gospel, proclaiming forgiveness to those who believe in Christ, and withholding forgiveness to unbelievers. The church is also duty bound to discipline obstinate sinful members; she also enjoys the happy privilege to restore penitents to full fellowship. Such was the interpretation of the power of the keys by the Church Fathers. The Catholic Encyclopaedia admits: "In the Fathers the references to the promise of Matthew 16:19, are of frequent occurrence. Almost invariably the words of Christ are cited in proof of the Church's power to forgive sins. The application is a natural one, for the promise of the keys is immediately followed by the words: "Whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth", etc. Moreover, the power to confer or to withhold forgiveness might well be viewed as the opening and shutting of the gates of heaven." [3] The Fathers generally attributed the "keys" as the prerogative of the church, not the exclusive power of any individual, whether the bishop of Rome or anyone else. They interpreted this authority in reference to the forgiveness of sins, as the scriptural text does, and not as supreme jurisdictional authority of one bishop over the entire church, as the Roman Church does. The following excerpt from Augustine illustrates the Fathers' interpretation of the keys. He writes: "He has given, therefore, the keys to His Church, that whatsoever it should bind on earth might be bound in heaven, and whatsoever it should loose on earth might be loosed in heaven; that is to say, that whosoever in the Church should not believe that his sins are remitted, they should not be remitted to him; but that whosoever should believe and should repent, and turn from his sins, should be saved by the same faith and repentance on the ground of which he is received into the bosom of the Church." [4] Writing in the fifth century, Augustine knew nothing of the Roman Catholic claim that Peter or the bishops of Rome had the exclusive right to the power of the keys. Augustine saw Peter as the representative of the Church; therefore the keys are given by Christ to His Church. Moreover, the Church binds and looses people from sin through the personal response of faith and repentance of the individual, on account of which a person is received in the Church. That is what Evangelicals believe. Roman bishops have usurped this passage and gave it a novel interpretation to bolster their proud claims to universal and supreme jurisdiction. This idea is foreign to the Fathers, and more importantly, it contrary to sound exegesis of the biblical text.
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