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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 7, 2018 8:24:27 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 7, 2018 8:48:20 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears. Anglo-Saxon invaders were unfair to the local inhabitants of the islands. Always!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 7, 2018 20:31:13 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears. Anglo-Saxon invaders were unfair to the local inhabitants of the islands. Always! Most modern day Anglo Saxons today are still majority native in their blood. About one third of their DNA comes back to the Angles, Jutes, and Saxons. www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35344663
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 7, 2018 20:37:13 GMT
Yes, the Celtic had a great genocide, this is the dark side of the history of these islands.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 8, 2018 7:25:06 GMT
Yes, the Celtic had a great genocide, this is the dark side of the history of these islands. Yeah it was such a genocide that it was once assumed that the Germanic invaders had just wiped out completely the previous Celts. Language changed, pottery and art styles changed, religion changed from Christianity to Anglo Saxon Paganism etc. It is said that there are more Native American words in American English than there were Celtic words in English during the Anglo Saxon period. And sure enough the genetics show that they do have a lot of Anglo Saxon blood in them as do the Welsh and the Scots for that matter. But just by looking at the English one can tell that they still are a majority Celtic in descent.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 9, 2018 13:39:30 GMT
Yes, the Celtic had a great genocide, this is the dark side of the history of these islands. Yeah it was such a genocide that it was once assumed that the Germanic invaders had just wiped out completely the previous Celts. Language changed, pottery and art styles changed, religion changed from Christianity to Anglo Saxon Paganism etc. It is said that there are more Native American words in American English than there were Celtic words in English during the Anglo Saxon period. And sure enough the genetics show that they do have a lot of Anglo Saxon blood in them as do the Welsh and the Scots for that matter. But just by looking at the English one can tell that they still are a majority Celtic in descent. This is the result of Irish, Welsh, Scottish migration to England ... but many immigrants from modern Germany settled in England too ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Post by jonbain on Jun 9, 2018 13:58:04 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears. Don't forget that many of us felt the need to move to the new world to get away from sassenach culture and its tendency to turn everything possible into a monetary monopoly. Then they followed us. Air nèamh tha sinn a 'riaghladh.
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Jun 9, 2018 14:29:39 GMT
They are part of my ancestry.
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Post by artyom on Jun 15, 2018 16:48:11 GMT
If I'm correct, the Romans did more to wipe away the celtic culture than the Anglo-Saxons. After all Celts were rewarded with titles who'd adopt Roman culture, clothing, religion, etc.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 8, 2019 23:36:04 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears. Nagological Warfare of Reality's Female WarlordsBATTLE OF WATLING (Roman Britannia, 60 AD) Romans, organized and efficient: 10,000 Britons, led by crazy Queen Boadicea: 230,000 Roman fatalities: 400 Brit victims of ancient Feminism: 80,000
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Post by tamara on Sept 16, 2020 12:36:57 GMT
I find the history of the Celts very interesting
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Post by joustos on Sept 16, 2020 17:45:47 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears. I have made some studies (unfortunately not very extensive) of the peoples you mention, but I will say, to begin with, that originally Celts and Britons were biologically and culturally distinct peoples. For the ancient Greeks, the Celts [Keltoi] and Celtic hybrids lived in a wide area by the Black Sea. They used to be hired in Athens as policemen and, like modern Irishmen, they had the reputation that they indulged in drinking [wine or beer]. I will add that biologically they were Caucasians, but whereas the Greeks were Mediterranids (darker in complexion), the Celts were Fulvians (blond or blondish), akin to the "Germanics" (Angles, Franks [and Merovingians], Longobards, etc.) Judging from Scottish Gaelic, the Celts spoke an Indo-European language. In my manuscript, "Indo-European and Its Speakers", I concluded that "indo-european" is a language that can be etymologically derived from Classical Greek. (Thus I proved that, contrarily to current opinion, Etruscan -- which I translated --, Basque, Anglo-Saxon, and other languages are Indo-European.) The Britons are harder to fathom from sources that do not exist. Fortunately I was born in a southern Italian town which, as I discovered through its language, was founded by Italic [Magna Graecian] Greeks, not by the older colonizing Helladic Greeks (Hellenes). Anway, my town, like some of the ancient Greek colonies, is in the region which today is called Calabria. In Roman times, it was called Brutium, namely the land of the Brutii, who spoke a variation of Oscan (akin to Latin but, I found out, more difficult to understand). Our contemporary Bruzi [Brutii] are, like the Greeks, Mediterranids, not Fulvians. The name "Brutii" seems to be based on the Greek word "Bryt-" (pronounced as either Broot- or Brit-, as in Britones/Britons), specifically: "Brytikos" (= drunken with beer, from Brytos, a kind of beer made from barley). At one time, there was a family of Brytikoi in Athens. It may have gone there from Brutium, from Britain, or God knows from where. What I would like to compare is the unmixed language of the Brutii (of which there may be no writings), or of known Oscan, and the unmixed language of the Britons in Britannia (Great Britain) or in Britanny. The population of Great Britain clearly shows a mixture of Brits, Celts, and Anglo-Saxons.// Sorry for my limited information.
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Post by jonbain on Sept 17, 2020 19:25:53 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears. You echo many of my thoughts on the matter.
I have come to realize that much of Celtic culture became joined with Norse in the north-west of Scotland, and i suspect these two cultures are not all that different from one another
in pre-historical terms. It becomes clear that western culture can actually be separated into 2 blocks of ethic/culture.
On the one hand the Saxon/Roman, and on the other we have the
Celtic/Norse. Of course in post-tribal society (nationalism) these cultures are perhaps more chosen than inherited.
The first is hierarchical, the latter is egalitarean, epitomized by legends such as Arthur's round table which still inspire ideas of liberty; whereas the saxon/roman culture tends towards authoritarian ideals.
It is important to remember that most of the historical record was made by the story-writers who were biased in favor of their tribes: Saxon and Roman. Whereas most western music and poetry originates with the Celts, certainly a more oral process.
Its of course impossible to draw a sharp line between them all in contemporary society, and the tendency might be to
construct these ideas according to a more idealistic purpose.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 3, 2020 4:06:39 GMT
The Celtic Britons or Brythonic people were the natives of what is now England, Wales, and Cornwall, as well as Lowland Scotland before the Anglo Saxons came in and wiped out their culture in England driving them into Wales, Cornwall, and to exile Brittany in France. Being the greater part of a descent from the British Isles from the English and Lowland Scots I theorize that these people are probably the people I am most descended from. They probably had a rich fascinating culture, mythology, religious customs, cosmology, societal structure, oral history, mode of dress, primitive architecture, priestly class (the druids) and would be a fascinating people to study. Unfortunately they didn't write any of these things down as like most Celtic people they thought writing things down was a lesser way of passing things on to the next generation and preferred to tell things orally. The Romans came in an conquered these tribes and Romanized them culturally and most written sources come from people outside this ethnic group. I would really like to study these people so if anyone can point me in the direction of any good books, websites, ancient texts from the Romans or Greeks, scholarly articles, or anything regarding them and if anyone has anything to teach me about these people I'm all ears. You echo many of my thoughts on the matter.
I have come to realize that much of Celtic culture became joined with Norse in the north-west of Scotland, and i suspect these two cultures are not all that different from one another
in pre-historical terms. It becomes clear that western culture can actually be separated into 2 blocks of ethic/culture.
On the one hand the Saxon/Roman, and on the other we have the
Celtic/Norse. Of course in post-tribal society (nationalism) these cultures are perhaps more chosen than inherited.
The first is hierarchical, the latter is egalitarean, epitomized by legends such as Arthur's round table which still inspire ideas of liberty; whereas the saxon/roman culture tends towards authoritarian ideals.
It is important to remember that most of the historical record was made by the story-writers who were biased in favor of their tribes: Saxon and Roman. Whereas most western music and poetry originates with the Celts, certainly a more oral process.
Its of course impossible to draw a sharp line between them all in contemporary society, and the tendency might be to
construct these ideas according to a more idealistic purpose.
What I wrote wasn't really for purposes of opinion but just what historically happened. My thoughts on the matter is that the division in Western culture is not as you've described it (Roman and Saxon vs Celtic and Norse) but instead between the Mediterranean world and the North Sea, or to put it in ancient terms, the Roman Empire vs the Northern (Celtic and Germanic) Barbarians. The Roman Empire was (at least in its later years) an authoritarian, oligarchic, slave empire and its economy was based upon slaves, mostly from Northern Europe, who were made to farm Roman plantations called Latifundia and were treated in such a barbaric manner that more slaves had to be continuously imported because they died faster than they reproduced. These Latifundia and the system of manorialism that came out of it evolved into European feudalism when the empire collapsed and people were forced to take refuge under these rich high born aristocrats for protection. Feudalism was then spread throughout Western Europe by means of France under Charlemagne's empire (Charlemagne was a Germanic Frank who ruled over a Latin people and used Roman institutional machinery to rule his kingdom) and then by the Normans to England. This is where the authoritarian tendencies (where they exist) of Germany and England come from, the Latin world and not their own native traditions. You simply cannot separate the continental Germanics and the Anglo Saxons from the Norse peoples nor can you wholly separate them from the Celtic peoples either. The Germanic peoples the Norse, continental Germans, and Anglo Saxons all originated culturally from Scandinavia and shared a common heritage. They shared a warrior culture, a linguistic family, pagan Germanic religion, the institution of the "thing" where freemen gathered before their chief to decide on matters in a semi democratic manner, the longhouse style of architecture, military tactics, the Germanic concept of freiheit (freedom) which is the idea that all freemen were born with political freedom as a birthright, equal before the law, and had rights that must be respected on pain of banishment (the Anglo Saxons gave this concept to my country the United States). They also shared a literary tradition. Beowulf is an Anglo Saxon word that means bear and the epic poem Beowulf is a story about a Geatish (Swedish king) who slays a troll that haunts a Danish Mead Hall and torments the Danish king Hrothgar. The culture depicted in the poem though taking place in Scandinavia is very similar to the Anglo Saxon culture of the time it was written with mead halls, shield thanes, and creatures like dragons, orcs, elves, and trolls being in it or mentioned. The Anglo Saxons wrote an epic poem about Scandinavia because they considered them to be their ancestors and they absolutely were. Other stories shared by the Germanic tribes were stories like the one about Siegfried and the Dragon which is the German version of the Norse story about Sigurd and the Dragon. There is also a poem which was recorded as far South as Bavaria in Germany called Muspilli en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muspilli which repurposes the Norse end of the world Ragnarok into a tale of the Christian end of the world. Loki from Norse myths seems to be recast as the antichrist and Surtr is recast as Satan. This is only scratching the surface and the common culture of the Germanic tribes is beyond dispute. The Celtic peoples (who probably shared a common origin in the primordial sense even more than just the common Indo European origin of most European peoples) were very similar to the Germanics. They shared the warrior culture, the concept of freedom, and had a very similar religion. Examples of commonalities between the Celtic and the Germanic religions were the gods such as Odin and Lugos, Taranis and Thor, the Morrigan and the Valkyries, the Daoine Sidhe and the Alfar, the world tree which the Celts called Bile, the Norse called Yggdrasil, and the Anglo Saxons called Irminsul. There are many similarities and the best source to read about them all is the book "Myths and Symbols of Pagan Europe" www.goodreads.com/book/show/915212.Myths_and_Symbols_in_Pagan_Europe which shows the religious similarities of the Celts, Vikings, and Germans. The tribes of the North as earlier stated had the concept of freiheit but the Romans and Latins had a different concept called libertas (liberty) and it was a hierarchical concept. The idea was that liberty would be meaningless if applied to everyone and was supposed to be a privilege of certain people. The higher you were on the societal latter the more liberties you had and the lower you were on the social latter the less liberties you had going down to the slaves which had none. This liberty was a hegemonic liberty associated with the power to rule (you had liberties over someone rather than liberty from something, freedom to, not freedom from). This concept of libertas was forced upon the free Northern tribes through the French form of feudalism. The Franks (from whom the country of France gets its name) conquered Roman Gaul at the fall of the Roman Empire but unlike say, the Saxons in Britain, they conquered a culture that they saw as superior to their own and thus they Romanized themselves rather than Germanizing France. Under Charlemagne the French spread their empire over the entirety of Western Europe and the conquests of the Germans at this time including your hated Saxons were extremely and excessively brutal like the Bloody Verdict of Verden en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden where 4,500 Saxons were killed by Charlemagne. The French style of Feudalism was also spread to England (which was probably the freest and most prosperous country in Europe at the time) in 1066 by the Norman tyrant William the Conquering Bastard. The Normans had originally been Scandinavian vikings but they were offered land by the King of France in Normandy to defend against other vikings and had completely adopted French and Latin culture though keeping the viking lust for conquest. When the Normans conquered England they tied peasants to the lord's land and created a hierarchical structure so oppressive that even today people with Norman last names are still 10% wealthier than people with Saxon last names, dominate the families going to Oxford and Cambridge and other elite Universities, and own 70% of the land in England www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/last-1000-years-families-owned-england/ England is still run by Normans. The imperialism of the British also started with the Normans with their conquest of Wales, attempted conquest of Scotland, and the beginnings of their barbarous actions in Ireland. The Norman/Latin concept of libertas was also spread to the Deep South (and the Tidewater region) of the United states. The founders of the Deep South came to set up a society based upon Rome with a majority of the population enslaved and the franchise and political power limited only to the plantation owning aristocrats. On the eve of the Civil War they argued that they were racially superior than Yankees because while Yankees came from Anglo Saxon slave peasants, they were the descendants of the Norman lords or slave masters. If you don't believe me here's the essay in Antebellum South Carolina newspaper De Bow's review entitled "Southern Civilization; or, The Norman in America" for your reading pleasure. quod.lib.umich.edu/m/moajrnl/acg1336.1-32.002/* It is also very true that the slave lords in America were connected to the Norman aristocracy of England. Many of them were the second sons of these aristocrats who could not inherit property in England so came to America to rule their own estate. The crescent moon of the South Carolina flag is the heraldic symbol for the second sons of English gentry. So in conclusion I believe that freedom in the West is a tradition of the Celtic and Germanic tribes of Northern Europe while hierarchical authoritarianism (though hierarchical authoritarianism is not the only kind of authoritarianism in the West, there is collectivist and conformist Puritanical kind of social authoritarianism, and in this respect Scandinavians and Yankees can be just as authoritarian as others but that is a subject for another time) is a product of the Classical Mediterranean world spread by Rome but started in Greece from whence Roman culture was highly influenced.
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Post by jonbain on Oct 19, 2020 9:44:56 GMT
Just one point: the word 'Germanic' is an entirely roman construct.
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