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Mars
Jun 7, 2018 6:56:36 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2018 6:56:36 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this?
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Mars
Jun 10, 2018 14:45:40 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 10, 2018 14:45:40 GMT
jonbain so then why did the water evaporate on Mars? There was no gravity for some time? I never said it evaporated - you did. I said the water could have seeped underground or been deliberately removed. I said it could NOT have evaporated. Water is always going to be heavier than the void of space. In order for something to evaporate - upwards it has to be lighter than what surrounds it. A piece of wood floats on water because the wood is lighter than the water. A hot air balloon moves up because its average density is less than air. But water is not lighter or less dense than the emptiness of space - thus water could NEVER evaporate into space. So the only places it could go is: underground or if somebody removed it, see? So must be underground or who would remove it? Hmm
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Mars
Jun 19, 2018 21:01:14 GMT
Post by jonbain on Jun 19, 2018 21:01:14 GMT
I never said it evaporated - you did. I said the water could have seeped underground or been deliberately removed. I said it could NOT have evaporated. Water is always going to be heavier than the void of space. In order for something to evaporate - upwards it has to be lighter than what surrounds it. A piece of wood floats on water because the wood is lighter than the water. A hot air balloon moves up because its average density is less than air. But water is not lighter or less dense than the emptiness of space - thus water could NEVER evaporate into space. So the only places it could go is: underground or if somebody removed it, see? So must be underground or who would remove it? Hmm Whomsoever terra-formed the Earth to be hospitable?
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Mars
Jun 19, 2018 21:14:10 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2018 21:14:10 GMT
So must be underground or who would remove it? Hmm Whomsoever terra-formed the Earth to be hospitable? Wait, can you rephrase the question? I can think of 2 things it could mean but want to be sure which you mean.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:02:08 GMT
Post by jonbain on Jun 19, 2018 22:02:08 GMT
Whomsoever terra-formed the Earth to be hospitable? Wait, can you rephrase the question? I can think of 2 things it could mean but want to be sure which you mean. Well, its just a possibility that a portion of the water on Earth originated on Mars. But its a very likely possibility, much like, for eg the Leopards in Sri Lanka originated in India. Of course there is far more water on Earth than could have ever been on Mars. But it comes down to how the solar system actually formed, and also how the surface of the Earth came to be like it is. Conventional theories are full of illogical ideas and are clearly wrong for numerous reasons. The idea that the planets could originate from a cloud of swirling gasses would never result in all the water on Earth but little water elsewhere. The distribution of other elements in the solar system are not random at all either. Also the idea of abiogenesis is also wrong. Life is far more than mere chemicals randomly mutating. So our entire cosmology is a vast and open question. There is water in comets, but that also avoids the question as to why no comets collided with other planets and resulted in water there. So we get back to Mars. We're a bit like some snails in a garden trying to figure why all the water is in the fishpond. Its deliberate design. Of course we get to the real question: Whose design? Aliens? Angels? God of all Creation? Is there REALLY a difference between Aliens and Angels?
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Mars
Jun 19, 2018 22:11:36 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2018 22:11:36 GMT
Wait, can you rephrase the question? I can think of 2 things it could mean but want to be sure which you mean. Well, its just a possibility that a portion of the water on Earth originated on Mars. But its a very likely possibility, much like, for eg the Leopards in Sri Lanka originated in India. Of course there is far more water on Earth than could have ever been on Mars. But it comes down to how the solar system actually formed, and also how the surface of the Earth came to be like it is. Conventional theories are full of illogical ideas and are clearly wrong for numerous reasons. The idea that the planets could originate from a cloud of swirling gasses would never result in all the water on Earth but little water elsewhere. The distribution of other elements in the solar system are not random at all either. Also the idea of abiogenesis is also wrong. Life is far more than mere chemicals randomly mutating. So our entire cosmology is a vast and open question. There is water in comets, but that also avoids the question as to why no comets collided with other planets and resulted in water there. So we get back to Mars. We're a bit like some snails in a garden trying to figure why all the water is in the fishpond. Its deliberate design. Of course we get to the real question: Whose design? Aliens? Angels? God of all Creation? Is there REALLY a difference between Aliens and Angels? But how does water travel from one spinning object in space to another? We also have gravity to keep things from flying away elsewhere. If water was on Mars I'd assume it just disappeared. I mean we lost bodies of water on earth too. Like the Tethys Sea disappeared and some other ones no longer exist Shrug
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Mars
Jun 20, 2018 21:53:19 GMT
Post by jonbain on Jun 20, 2018 21:53:19 GMT
Well, its just a possibility that a portion of the water on Earth originated on Mars. But its a very likely possibility, much like, for eg the Leopards in Sri Lanka originated in India. Of course there is far more water on Earth than could have ever been on Mars. But it comes down to how the solar system actually formed, and also how the surface of the Earth came to be like it is. Conventional theories are full of illogical ideas and are clearly wrong for numerous reasons. The idea that the planets could originate from a cloud of swirling gasses would never result in all the water on Earth but little water elsewhere. The distribution of other elements in the solar system are not random at all either. Also the idea of abiogenesis is also wrong. Life is far more than mere chemicals randomly mutating. So our entire cosmology is a vast and open question. There is water in comets, but that also avoids the question as to why no comets collided with other planets and resulted in water there. So we get back to Mars. We're a bit like some snails in a garden trying to figure why all the water is in the fishpond. Its deliberate design. Of course we get to the real question: Whose design? Aliens? Angels? God of all Creation? Is there REALLY a difference between Aliens and Angels? But how does water travel from one spinning object in space to another? We also have gravity to keep things from flying away elsewhere. If water was on Mars I'd assume it just disappeared. I mean we lost bodies of water on earth too. Like the Tethys Sea disappeared and some other ones no longer exist What I am saying is that Earth and Mars are likely cultivated by Beings way more powerful than us. But we are realizing that power for ourselves. However in a society of greed its all we can do to stop humanity devolving into animals. Deceit is everywhere. Have you accepted yet that the lunar landings were certainly faked?
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Mars
Sept 29, 2018 13:41:45 GMT
Post by jonbain on Sept 29, 2018 13:41:45 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this? Found some new recent info on this: www.newsweek.com/water-mars-huge-lake-detected-below-red-planets-surface-major-milestone-1041265Just as I predicted they would find it there! Told ya so! Now consider: Mars gravity is 3/8 of Earth. So caves there would be much larger than here. Likely there are not just lakes below the surface, but entire oceans. Also they are protected from radiation down there by the rock overhead, so likely the Martian oceans contain at least microbial life. On Earth we have a magnetosphere which protects us from radiation, but Mars does not (apparently). Life thrives in lakes in caves below the surface in Antarctica. Now its just a matter of protecting astronauts from radiation, ensuring that NASA confess to faking the lunar landings, and waking humanity out of its stupor.
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Sept 29, 2018 16:36:20 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Sept 29, 2018 16:36:20 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this? Found some new recent info on this: www.newsweek.com/water-mars-huge-lake-detected-below-red-planets-surface-major-milestone-1041265Just as I predicted they would find it there! Told ya so! Now consider: Mars gravity is 3/8 of Earth. So caves there would be much larger than here. Likely there are not just lakes below the surface, but entire oceans. Also they are protected from radiation down there by the rock overhead, so likely the Martian oceans contain at least microbial life. On Earth we have a magnetosphere which protects us from radiation, but Mars does not (apparently). Life thrives in lakes in caves below the surface in Antarctica. Now its just a matter of protecting astronauts from radiation, ensuring that NASA confess to faking the lunar landings, and waking humanity out of its stupor. Ok, but even if it is a lake, how does that mean there's life? The definition of a lake is just a body of water not a body of water with life. We might get puddles during rain but doesn't mean fish magically appear in it nor does it mean that when the rain water came the fish fell from the sky too. It can just be water with no life. Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 29, 2018 19:21:52 GMT
Found some new recent info on this: www.newsweek.com/water-mars-huge-lake-detected-below-red-planets-surface-major-milestone-1041265Just as I predicted they would find it there! Told ya so! Now consider: Mars gravity is 3/8 of Earth. So caves there would be much larger than here. Likely there are not just lakes below the surface, but entire oceans. Also they are protected from radiation down there by the rock overhead, so likely the Martian oceans contain at least microbial life. On Earth we have a magnetosphere which protects us from radiation, but Mars does not (apparently). Life thrives in lakes in caves below the surface in Antarctica. Now its just a matter of protecting astronauts from radiation, ensuring that NASA confess to faking the lunar landings, and waking humanity out of its stupor. Ok, but even if it is a lake, how does that mean there's life? The definition of a lake is just a body of water not a body of water with life. We might get puddles during rain but doesn't mean fish magically appear in it nor does it mean that when the rain water came the fish fell from the sky too. It can just be water with no life. Shrug From the article, “But he warned the radar data doesn’t necessarily prove the lake exists. It’s worth considering what other options might explain the results, he said. “I doubt that the whole community will be convinced at first look,” Mangold said.” So they aren’t even sure that it’s a lake with liquid water yet. They aren’t sure what it is yet, if it’s even anything at all. They thought they found water on mars a while back, but it was an acid fog that was literally melting the rock causing flows of sludge. What they found is most likely something related to that.
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Mars
Sept 29, 2018 20:27:21 GMT
Post by Lone Wanderer on Sept 29, 2018 20:27:21 GMT
I just hope humans don't turn Earth into a lifeless planet. I doubt even a 100% colonized Mars would be a good home for our kind. Save the Earth for all creatures and colonize Mars for space adventurers.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 29, 2018 22:09:26 GMT
I just hope humans don't turn Earth into a lifeless planet. I doubt even a 100% colonized Mars would be a good home for our kind. Save the Earth for all creatures and colonize Mars for space adventurers. Well, as long as humans stop hating and killing each other then we will be ok. But discrimination and hate is strong on Earth Sad
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Mars
Oct 13, 2018 12:34:01 GMT
Post by jonbain on Oct 13, 2018 12:34:01 GMT
Found some new recent info on this: www.newsweek.com/water-mars-huge-lake-detected-below-red-planets-surface-major-milestone-1041265Just as I predicted they would find it there! Told ya so! Now consider: Mars gravity is 3/8 of Earth. So caves there would be much larger than here. Likely there are not just lakes below the surface, but entire oceans. Also they are protected from radiation down there by the rock overhead, so likely the Martian oceans contain at least microbial life. On Earth we have a magnetosphere which protects us from radiation, but Mars does not (apparently). Life thrives in lakes in caves below the surface in Antarctica. Now its just a matter of protecting astronauts from radiation, ensuring that NASA confess to faking the lunar landings, and waking humanity out of its stupor. Ok, but even if it is a lake, how does that mean there's life? The definition of a lake is just a body of water not a body of water with life. We might get puddles during rain but doesn't mean fish magically appear in it nor does it mean that when the rain water came the fish fell from the sky too. It can just be water with no life. True. I am not suggesting abiogenesis at all. Life cannot just manifest out of random lifeless atoms. But there are numerous experiments that show that all manner of seeds can survive in space. Its only big squishy beings like us that die in space. My point is that if life exists on one planet (any planet), then meteorite impacts can catapult and spread primitive life throughout the galaxy. It may even take 1 million years to travel between the stars, but that's not such a big deal in astronomical terms. So chances are that if life can survive on Mars, its related to life on Earth, and not all that different. But because Mars has 38% Earth's gravity, its more likely that life will travel from Mars to Earth. But life has this incredible ability to adapt to such a wide variety of environments, that the odds are that it will be found in several places in the solar system. This of course will be very embarrassing for evolutionary theory which has blindly held the dogmatic belief that life on Earth follows a linear pattern from atoms to Humans. The odds are very much against this, and in favor of a much more interactive process between the countless worlds out there. And when you do the stats, chances are that conscious living beings would play the dominant role in deliberate terraforming. But this begs the question, eh?
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