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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 6, 2018 10:44:31 GMT
Truly Salvation and Truth have reached these people. Amen!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 4:02:44 GMT
This is gonna get ugly anytime now .. wonder if Queen ever looses it and gets banned by a moderator . The thing about my account is that it's the only account that can't be banned, the only account that can't be deleted, and the only one that can't be disabled by another account. I didn't do this. Proboards did it. But I try to be as nice as possible Well u are Queen having autonomous power, its so heart warming to realize that even gifted with such a privilege u have always been kind to the inhabitants of Arktos, so u deserve it totally. Like totally !!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 8, 2018 4:17:22 GMT
The thing about my account is that it's the only account that can't be banned, the only account that can't be deleted, and the only one that can't be disabled by another account. I didn't do this. Proboards did it. But I try to be as nice as possible Well u are Queen having autonomous power, its so heart warming to realize that even gifted with such a privilege u have always been kind to the inhabitants of Arktos, so u deserve it totally. Like totally !!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 7:23:30 GMT
Listen, guys, I'll go crazy reading your discussion of the incence without any historical and cultural influence. An incence appeared in liturgy after using smoke of ladan, and the last one were using everywhere to avoid different smells of something. By the same reasons the covers on Potyr (the main vessel in liturgy) were using to prevent attacks of insects, because then many insects were spread.
I'll try to be short: you're discussing about an empty subject. The Orthodox church still uses and doesn't remove traditional components, because they're trying to be as closely as it possible to the times. We can say the same about bells in a church, and about an architect form of any church - those features come from past.
Try to understand psychological position of the church: they're follow the first apostles traditions, so an authority of Gospels comes from the apostles by their understanding, and of this reason they care. Comparing any confessions to the Orthodox without this factor won't give any fruits.
Imagine, that there were two brothers. Their father told him to stay in the field working untill he would come and check their work. One son took a work, and was working good durin daylight; the other one took a look around trying to see did the father watch them or not. This 'the other one' son having seen that nobody was watching them, laid down on grasp and took a nap. All that time the father was watching 'em, but a lazy son didn't noticed it. When the time had come, the lazy one woke up and took a work just like he was working hard. The father came and he thanked his loyal son, but the lazy son was punished by him, because not only of the lack of loyalty, but because he didn't believe his own father.
So, what's the moral and how it concerns witn the Orthodox? The moral: be loyal to your father (and also, your mother, your close relatives), and keep what they have said to you. The Orthodox is trying to stay as the loyal son listening to the cores of this parable.
Well, this parable is mine, but I think it can show the relations of the Church to the traditions in another plain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 8:10:26 GMT
diamond seems to be provoking his cousin christians perhaps, dktrav and elizabeth would soon sniff on this thread . diamond still has unfinished business to take care off , i personally think , they can take it to PM instead of draining the thread here
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 8, 2018 10:11:49 GMT
@unknown Dude Americans do not understand me and leave the his answer. I and other people here wrote to them where the Bible mentions things about which I write to them, but they are not tuned to us understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 12:59:07 GMT
@unknown Dude Americans do not understand me and leave the his answer. I and other people here wrote to them where the Bible mentions things about which I write to them, but they are not tuned to us understanding. А я думаю тут надо быть более оптимистичным. Сейчас я уже не помню точно имён, но один из первых монахов-отшельников на территории Америки, который был и проповедником Православия (т.е. это XVII-XVIII века), чтобы завоевать внимание индейцев, жил в пещере, спал на камнях, под голову клал кирпич, а укравался доской. Кроме того, есть один очень прекрасный образец, который нужно - да и вообще, нужно использовать образцы положительные в беседах с друзьями - и можно привести, это арх. Иоанн Сан-Францизский и Шанхайский, который учился у нас, здесь, в Харькове. Надо просто больше приобщать людей не к разговорам - мы всё равно из них ничего не заключим, а к чему-то практическому. Я убеждён в этом на все 100%. John_of_Shanghai_and_San_Francisco
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 9, 2018 17:10:57 GMT
@unknown Dude Americans do not understand me and leave the his answer. I and other people here wrote to them where the Bible mentions things about which I write to them, but they are not tuned to us understanding. А я думаю тут надо быть более оптимистичным. Сейчас я уже не помню точно имён, но один из первых монахов-отшельников на территории Америки, который был и проповедником Православия (т.е. это XVII-XVIII века), чтобы завоевать внимание индейцев, жил в пещере, спал на камнях, под голову клал кирпич, а укравался доской. Кроме того, есть один очень прекрасный образец, который нужно - да и вообще, нужно использовать образцы положительные в беседах с друзьями - и можно привести, это арх. Иоанн Сан-Францизский и Шанхайский, который учился у нас, здесь, в Харькове. Надо просто больше приобщать людей не к разговорам - мы всё равно из них ничего не заключим, а к чему-то практическому. Я убеждён в этом на все 100%. John_of_Shanghai_and_San_FranciscoHe slept with a kirpich for a pillow? That would really hurt :( Why upset? No harm is meant in discussions but to learn how others perceive things and see how we all think differently
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 9, 2018 23:30:47 GMT
А я думаю тут надо быть более оптимистичным. Сейчас я уже не помню точно имён, но один из первых монахов-отшельников на территории Америки, который был и проповедником Православия (т.е. это XVII-XVIII века), чтобы завоевать внимание индейцев, жил в пещере, спал на камнях, под голову клал кирпич, а укравался доской. Кроме того, есть один очень прекрасный образец, который нужно - да и вообще, нужно использовать образцы положительные в беседах с друзьями - и можно привести, это арх. Иоанн Сан-Францизский и Шанхайский, который учился у нас, здесь, в Харькове. Надо просто больше приобщать людей не к разговорам - мы всё равно из них ничего не заключим, а к чему-то практическому. Я убеждён в этом на все 100%. John_of_Shanghai_and_San_FranciscoHe slept with a kirpich for a pillow? That would really hurt :( Why upset? No harm is meant in discussions but to learn how others perceive things and see how we all think differently ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE)Его предки земляки моих... unknown
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 21:16:11 GMT
А я думаю тут надо быть более оптимистичным. Сейчас я уже не помню точно имён, но один из первых монахов-отшельников на территории Америки, который был и проповедником Православия (т.е. это XVII-XVIII века), чтобы завоевать внимание индейцев, жил в пещере, спал на камнях, под голову клал кирпич, а укравался доской. Кроме того, есть один очень прекрасный образец, который нужно - да и вообще, нужно использовать образцы положительные в беседах с друзьями - и можно привести, это арх. Иоанн Сан-Францизский и Шанхайский, который учился у нас, здесь, в Харькове. Надо просто больше приобщать людей не к разговорам - мы всё равно из них ничего не заключим, а к чему-то практическому. Я убеждён в этом на все 100%. John_of_Shanghai_and_San_FranciscoHe slept with a kirpich for a pillow? That would really hurt :( Why upset? No harm is meant in discussions but to learn how others perceive things and see how we all think differently (^_^) I wanted to say that seeing only hard discussions I was going to be upset. Blamy discussions bring me down. To solve such questions the participants need to be cool-minded, and be staying in cold-blood. Instead of heavy and abusing conversations I'd like to advice positively discussions. So, such discussions are reversed: we need to find good examples of each other, and we're trying to find good points of each other, and also, we're trying to get more info about the opposite religion. I don't know for sure, but the role of the followers of Christ are wide, because people constantly repeat to do the same mistakes, and this is not ok for any Christians I think. There will never be any reunion between Christians if today we see no toward steps. And for my opinion it is a big drama for every Christian, and for Christ firstly. The words of Christ have the great weight, and any spare word which is dropped not for a good, I think, won't give any good harvester in hearts of listeners. The wars between the followers destroy the core principle of Christianity - love. Instead of accusation, to appear some love will be good. I put an example of that monk, because he was trying to show something good. Here's another example of love from Macarius of Egypt: The followers of Macarius were walking down the hills, and suddenly had met a heretic bearing a heavy hog on his shoulders. They started to laugh at him, accusing him in his heresy. The heretic was strong, so he easily beat 'em down by his arms. After some time Macarius was walking the same road. Finding his followers laying down on grasp he had seen the heretic. He turned to him saying: 'Oh, forgive my followers their words, they are youth and not smart. You must be tired bearing this hog, let me help you". The heretic was surprised, but he nodded. Some months later the heretic became to Christianity. So, this is an example of how to use love instead of hatred. I don't know, maybe it could come in handy.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 13, 2018 22:00:10 GMT
He slept with a kirpich for a pillow? That would really hurt :( Why upset? No harm is meant in discussions but to learn how others perceive things and see how we all think differently (^_^) I wanted to say that seeing only hard discussions I was going to be upset. Blamy discussions bring me down. To solve such questions the participants need to be cool-minded, and be staying in cold-blood. Instead of heavy and abusing conversations I'd like to advice positively discussions. So, such discussions are reversed: we need to find good examples of each other, and we're trying to find good points of each other, and also, we're trying to get more info about the opposite religion. I don't know for sure, but the role of the followers of Christ are wide, because people constantly repeat to do the same mistakes, and this is not ok for any Christians I think. There will never be any reunion between Christians if today we see no toward steps. And for my opinion it is a big drama for every Christian, and for Christ firstly. The words of Christ have the great weight, and any spare word which is dropped not for a good, I think, won't give any good harvester in hearts of listeners. The wars between the followers destroy the core principle of Christianity - love. Instead of accusation, to appear some love will be good. I put an example of that monk, because he was trying to show something good. Here's another example of love from Macarius of Egypt: The followers of Macarius were walking down the hills, and suddenly had met a heretic bearing a heavy hog on his shoulders. They started to laugh at him, accusing him in his heresy. The heretic was strong, so he easily beat 'em down by his arms. After some time Macarius was walking the same road. Finding his followers laying down on grasp he had seen the heretic. He turned to him saying: 'Oh, forgive my followers their words, they are youth and not smart. You must be tired bearing this hog, let me help you". The heretic was surprised, but he nodded. Some months later the heretic became to Christianity.So, this is an example of how to use love instead of hatred. I don't know, maybe it could come in handy. Thank God!
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Post by KGrim on Nov 11, 2019 3:29:58 GMT
Elizabeth, incense is used for prayer only during the liturgy. The Orthodox liturgy is an updated form of the Old Testament Liturgy. In private prayers we usually don't use incense. The use of incense my not be necessary in of itself, BUT if we have the means for our liturgical service then by all means we will use it. Its kinds like going to church in your Sunday best. If you got a good set of clothes what would be your excuse going to church in less? Would you say, "Cause Jesus never said I had to wear my Sunday best?" Yet think, you're assembling before your King in prayer. If you were a pauper that didn't have good clothes then you would have an excuse, but if you have good clothes you should want to wear them, making the best presentation of yourself. Its thoughtfulness. Same goes with incense. If you have it, use it, show God you care. Also, incense had a practical function in the early church. People didn't bath as much so they stunk and needed something to cover the smell up.
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