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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 6, 2018 10:44:31 GMT
Truly Salvation and Truth have reached these people. Amen!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 6, 2018 11:16:53 GMT
This is really sad. God wants there to be evangelists so them leaving is terrible but it proves they were not worthy to be evangelists. Shrug
Ephesians 4:11 11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists...
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 7, 2018 12:47:26 GMT
True evangelists in the church, everything else is a false teacher, you do not have enough strength to admit it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 13:36:31 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2018 18:25:05 GMT
True evangelists in the church, everything else is a false teacher, you do not have enough strength to admit it. Admit what? That evangelists are part of God's body? They are since God mentioned they are.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 7, 2018 18:30:41 GMT
These evangelicals did not leave the Gospel, they went to the Antiochian Church of one of the most ancient Churches! There, too, he preaches the Gospels.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2018 18:55:32 GMT
These evangelicals did not leave the Gospel, they went to the Antiochian Church of one of the most ancient Churches! There, too, he preaches the Gospels. An evangelist is a missionary. I don't think your church sends people on missionary trips around the country/world like my church does. You stay in one place when scripture says to preach to all nations. Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 19:22:03 GMT
Why are you arguing?
I'm sure that none of these discussion aren't pleasure to the Lord. I think that the most important to any Christian is to do something good, not to sew any nets.
Love each other, my children!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2018 19:26:49 GMT
Why are you arguing? I'm sure that none of these discussion aren't pleasure to the Lord. I think that the most important to any Christian is to do something good, not to sew any nets. Love each other, my children! It's not arguing. It's this... 2 Timothy 3:16 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. So still loving each other
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 7, 2018 20:13:28 GMT
Why are you arguing? I'm sure that none of these discussion aren't pleasure to the Lord. I think that the most important to any Christian is to do something good, not to sew any nets. Love each other, my children! Ephesians 4:11-15 KJV [11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 20:27:32 GMT
Why are you arguing? I'm sure that none of these discussion aren't pleasure to the Lord. I think that the most important to any Christian is to do something good, not to sew any nets. Love each other, my children! It's not arguing. It's this... 2 Timothy 3:16 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. So still loving each other All right, Elizabeth, but can you answer me on this question then: Imagine, that I'm your brother. We're writhing letters to each other. One day, your friend ask you about the letters, and who writes them, and you answer that it is my bro. The friend ask you to give him a letter, just to see what is in it. You give it to him, because you trust your friend. He reads one, and suddenly he becomes angry. He asks you to give him a couple of letters more, because he's found something unusual there. You're shruggling, but you give him few letters. After his reading he stand up and tells you that the letters haven't been written by your brother. You're really impressed, and with rolling eyes you ask him how has he concluded it? He gives you the tip: in the letter which he's read there are some lines: Dear, Lisa!I was so missed you! Every time I remember your red hair, I can't feel sadness, and start crying. Your eyes are so pure and so beautiful!... I can't forget that last time we've been spending together!... And another letter: Ellie! Sweetheart! Please, stop bothering me for a time, you know how busy I am. If you don't I will sail to the farthest lands, and you never find me there! So, for your safety and my sanity, stop lettering me for a time, ok?And the next another letter :Lizzizzizzy! Hi, dear! Do you know who's speaking with you now? (Of course with letters.) It's a captain!..I'm so glad to get a new degree on this little boat, - I know I know, you will get angry at me, because I've named the boat 'little', but I've made of funny, that's all! Your close friend tells you that it can't be one person, there are at least three of them. Let's imagine, that he's concluded it studying the style of three letters. The next tip is about of names: if there is just one author of three letters, then he has to use one name, not different. You can object it by saying that all three names are just a variety of your name, and your friend will agree on it, but he never agrees on that you need to follow those instructions. He claims that the instructions of the author/authors of the letters are strangely not similar one to another. It looks like that the one, or the ones use not solid tactics by giving you weird instructions. Well, what I wanted to give you by this example? I wanted to say that you never sure about the instructions if the ones are just an inspirations of God. If 2 Timothy 3:16 is true, than Joseph Smith, 麻原 彰晃, Sun Myung Moon, Venyamin Yankelman and the interpretations of the others are truth too. So, interpretations of extremists and dangerous men would be right to scriptures. They would take this verse as a hymn, and would go to kill people. I'm not sure that Christ's approved debates. Christ said to stop any debates among His apostles, among His followers. Maybe the apostles were cheating by writing it, because the whole New Testament was written just by apostles which were mistaken mostly - if the scriptures was inspirited. ______ I can say: "Elizabeth, I love you!", and you will ask me: "What made me tell it to you?", and will say: "It was an inspiration of God!". Therefore, if my words are truth, then you need to grant the will of God, else - the God has been cheating, or it hasn't been an inspiration. So, I can argue here too in the same style, I can object the apostles words by saying that their words are either not an inspiration, or God are cheating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 20:31:37 GMT
Why are you arguing? I'm sure that none of these discussion aren't pleasure to the Lord. I think that the most important to any Christian is to do something good, not to sew any nets. Love each other, my children! Ephesians 4:11-15 KJV [11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Matthew 21:12-13 KJV [12] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, [13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. John 2: 13-16 KJV [13] And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. [14] And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: [15] And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; [16] And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 7, 2018 20:41:37 GMT
Ephesians 4:11-15 KJV [11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Matthew 21:12-13 KJV [12] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, [13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. John 2: 13-16 KJV [13] And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. [14] And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: [15] And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; [16] And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. Why did you quote this scripture?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2018 20:58:47 GMT
It's not arguing. It's this... 2 Timothy 3:16 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. So still loving each other Well, what I wanted to give you by this example? I wanted to say that you never sure about the instructions if the ones are just an inspirations of God. If 2 Timothy 3:16 is true, than Joseph Smith, 麻原 彰晃, Sun Myung Moon, Venyamin Yankelman and the interpretations of the others are truth too. So, interpretations of extremists and dangerous men would be right to scriptures. They would take this verse as a hymn, and would go to kill people. Well, Jesus' institutions are only in the bible. And Jesus is said to be God in the bible. Sure, if people don't want to accept that then it's all good. We all have free will And Joseph Smith and Sun Myung Moon and whoever didn't say they were God and said their own thing but if people wish to say they are and spread their word then so be it. We have the free will to listen or not. He approved correcting. Jesus had constant debates with the Pharisees and they lost each time and wouldn't repent. Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 21:08:16 GMT
Matthew 21:12-13 KJV [12] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, [13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. John 2: 13-16 KJV [13] And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. [14] And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: [15] And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; [16] And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. Why did you quote this scripture? John 8: 6-7 NIV [6] They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. [7] When they kept on questioning him...
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