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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 5, 2018 2:49:59 GMT
How do we know this? Because in the scriptures prophets, apostles, and even Christ Himself refer to the scriptures over and over when making points. We can start with the phrase “it is written” which is used in both the OT and the NT over 80 times. Here is every time it is used in the OT; Joshua 8:31 KJV [31] As Moses the servant of the Lord commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the Lord , and sacrificed peace offerings. 1 Kings 2:3 KJV [3] And keep the charge of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself: 2 Kings 23:21 KJV [21] And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the Lord your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant. 2 Chronicles 23:18 KJV [18] Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the Lord by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the Lord , to offer the burnt offerings of the Lord , as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David. 2 Chronicles 25:4 KJV [4] But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin. 2 Chronicles 31:3 KJV [3] He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit , for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the Lord . 2 Chronicles 35:12 KJV [12] And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the Lord , as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. 2 Chronicles 35:12 KJV [12] And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the Lord , as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. Ezra 3:2 KJV [2] Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God. Ezra 3:4 KJV [4] They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; Ezra 6:18 KJV [18] And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses. Nehemiah 8:15 KJV [15] And that they should publish and proclaim in all their cities, and in Jerusalem, saying, Go forth unto the mount, and fetch olive branches, and pine branches, and myrtle branches, and palm branches, and branches of thick trees, to make booths, as it is written. Nehemiah 10:34 KJV [34] And we cast the lots among the priests, the Levites, and the people, for the wood offering, to bring it into the house of our God, after the houses of our fathers, at times appointed year by year, to burn upon the altar of the Lord our God, as it is written in the law: Nehemiah 10:36 KJV [36] Also the firstborn of our sons, and of our cattle, as it is written in the law, and the firstlings of our herds and of our flocks, to bring to the house of our God, unto the priests that minister in the house of our God: Isaiah 65:6 KJV [6] Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, Jeremiah 25:13 KJV [13] And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations. Daniel 9:13 KJV [13] As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. As you can see, throughout the OT the scriptures are used as an authority. Why is this? Well because the scriptures are God’s word. 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: And in case you had any doubts about the word “inspiration”, God’s word is preserved for ever. Psalm 12:6-7 KJV [6] The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. [7] Thou shalt keep them, O Lord , thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. His word is right. Psalm 33:4 KJV [4] For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth. He spoke heaven and everything therein into existence, Psalm 33:6 KJV [6] By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. ..along with everything else. Genesis 1:3,6,9,11,14,20,24,26 KJV [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [11] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [14] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: [20] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [24] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. We should praise His word. Psalm 56:10 KJV [10] In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. God’s word has been published. Psalm 68:11 KJV [11] The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it . Acts 13:49 KJV [49] And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. Salvation is according to His word. Psalm 119:41 KJV [41] Let thy mercies come also unto me, O Lord , even thy salvation, according to thy word. We can only be given understanding through His word. Psalm 119:169 KJV [169] Let my cry come near before thee, O Lord : give me understanding according to thy word. Over and over the word of the Lord is preached, taught, and glorified, Acts 8:25 KJV [25] And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans. Acts 13:48 KJV [48] And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 15:35 KJV [35] Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also. Acts 15:36 KJV [36] And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. The doctrine of God is referred to as the authority, 1 Timothy 6:1-3 KJV [1] Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. [2] And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them , because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. [3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; The scriptures are referred to as an authority all throughout the NT, even by Christ Himself, Matthew 21:42 KJV [42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Matthew 22:29 KJV [29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Mark 12:10 KJV [10] And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: Mark 12:24 KJV [24] And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? Mark 14:49 KJV [49] I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. John 2:22 KJV [22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 5:39 KJV [39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 7:38 KJV [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. John 7:42 KJV [42] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? John 13:18 KJV [18] I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. John 17:12 KJV [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 19:24 KJV [24] They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. John 19:28 KJV [28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. John 19:36 KJV [36] For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. John 19:37 KJV [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. John 20:9 KJV [9] For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead. Romans 4:3 KJV [3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Romans 10:11 KJV [11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Corinthians 15:4 KJV [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Galatians 3:22 KJV [22] But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Isn’t this just overwhelming? Seems very very clear that doctrine, the scriptures, the word of the Lord, God’s word is the authority. It is written... Matthew 4:4 KJV [4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:6 KJV [6] And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Matthew 4:7 KJV [7] Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:10 KJV [10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 21:13 KJV [13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. Mark 7:6 KJV [6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Mark 9:12 KJV [12] And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. John 6:45 KJV [45] It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Acts 1:20 KJV [20] For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Acts 7:42 KJV [42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Acts 13:33 KJV [33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Romans 1:17 KJV [17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 3:4 KJV [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. There are a lot more verses that I have not shared here that refer to what is written as the authority. So there can only be one conclusion, and that is the Bible is the authority, not theologians, not church fathers, not ecumenical councils, not any church, not any creed, not any man, but God’s word. The Holy Bible.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 5, 2018 3:01:23 GMT
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 5, 2018 8:18:25 GMT
I should have included this one,
1 Corinthians 4:6 KJV [6] And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 5, 2018 8:39:15 GMT
Revelation 1:3 KJV [3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 5, 2018 9:20:04 GMT
Yes ... but do not forget that the Bible that we know is an inseparable part of the Holy Church tradition ... The Scriptures from the apostles were passed on to them to the disciples! 11 And he appointed some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 for the performance of the saints, for the work of ministry, for the building up of the Body of Christ (the Church) Ephesians 4: 11-16 In the epistles of Paul there are mentions that he appointed bishops ... of course he did according to the will of God! Apostolic succession presupposes not only a visible expression in the context of episcopal consecrations (ordinations), but also the transfer of the gracious gifts of the Holy Spirit upon which the hierarchical ministry of the Church is based. According to the Holy Scripture, the holy Apostles, who received the fullness of this ministry from the Lord Himself, after the descent of the Holy Spirit (John 20: 21-23; Mt 28: 19-20; Mk.16: 15-16; Luke 24:47 (Acts 14:23, 20:28, 2 Timothy 1: 6, etc.) and commanded to transmit through the Sacrament of Episcopal ordination the fullness of the gracious gifts of the church hierarchy (1 Timothy 5: 22; Titus 1: 5). Apostolic succession is attested by the oldest ecclesiastical Tradition: St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Clement of Rome, bl. Hieronymus, Tertullian, and others. One who denies this fact can not be a Christian, because he thus rejects the action of the Holy Spirit! "That if I slow down, you knew how to act in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and confirmation of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15). and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it (Matthew 16) There is no point in adding more, someone who knows the history of the Church and the history of Christianity knows that the Bible was never separate from the church and the canon of Bible texts was decided by the Church according to the will of God!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 5, 2018 9:32:06 GMT
DKTrav88 Taking the Scriptures from the Church, but rejecting the Church itself is a split ... I repeat the Bible is not a separate thing from Church traditions (I mean a straight line without splits, one who knows that will understand) This is what the Apostle Peter wrote about you: "as he says about this and in all the messages in which there is something unintelligible, that the ignorant and unconfirmed, to their own perdition, transform, like the other Scriptures" (2 Pet. 3:16). "The deeds of the flesh are known, they are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, magic, enmity, quarrels, envy, anger, quarrels, disagreements, [temptations,] heresies, hatreds, murders, drunkenness, brutality and the like. you, as before, foretold that those who do so will not inherit the Kingdom of God "(Galatians 5: 19-21). Note heretics, even if they do not drink, do not smoke, do not swear with mate - the Kingdom of God will not inherit! The biggest schism occurred after 1054 when the Vatican separated from a single Universal Church, which was created by God through the apostles! This Church was forever the guardian of Scripture and Tradition! But the Vatican made the sin of the split, everyone knows! biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-13.htm You did not answer how you keep this place from the Scriptures ... I remind you that there is nowhere a clear text from the Scripture that abolished it. Just hypocrisy to say that you are all doing according to the Scriptures, you just take these places from the Bible, which promises you eternal life, but does not understand the others!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 5, 2018 9:36:44 GMT
DKTrav88Taking the Scriptures from the Church, but rejecting the Church itself is a split ... I repeat the Bible is not a separate thing from Church traditions (I mean a straight line without splits, one who knows that will understand) This is what the Apostle Peter wrote about you: "as he says about this and in all the messages in which there is something unintelligible, that the ignorant and unconfirmed, to their own perdition, transform, like the other Scriptures" (2 Pet. 3:16). "The deeds of the flesh are known, they are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, magic, enmity, quarrels, envy, anger, quarrels, disagreements, [temptations,] heresies, hatreds, murders, drunkenness, brutality and the like. you, as before, foretold that those who do so will not inherit the Kingdom of God "(Galatians 5: 19-21). Note heretics, even if they do not drink, do not smoke, do not swear with mate - the Kingdom of God will not inherit! The biggest schism occurred after 1054 when the Vatican separated from a single Universal Church, which was created by God through the apostles! This Church was forever the guardian of Scripture and Tradition! But the Vatican made the sin of the split, everyone knows! The scripture wasn't from the church but from God since the church didn't write the bible but the Holy Spirit did to make sure it's correct. Church doesn't make rules but only God does. Otherwise we reject any church or person since it's not from God Shrug
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 5, 2018 9:43:43 GMT
DKTrav88 Taking the Scriptures from the Church, but rejecting the Church itself is a split ... I repeat the Bible is not a separate thing from Church traditions (I mean a straight line without splits, one who knows that will understand) This is what the Apostle Peter wrote about you: "as he says about this and in all the messages in which there is something unintelligible, that the ignorant and unconfirmed, to their own perdition, transform, like the other Scriptures" (2 Pet. 3:16). "The deeds of the flesh are known, they are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, magic, enmity, quarrels, envy, anger, quarrels, disagreements, [temptations,] heresies, hatreds, murders, drunkenness, brutality and the like. you, as before, foretold that those who do so will not inherit the Kingdom of God "(Galatians 5: 19-21). Note heretics, even if they do not drink, do not smoke, do not swear with mate - the Kingdom of God will not inherit! The biggest schism occurred after 1054 when the Vatican separated from a single Universal Church, which was created by God through the apostles! This Church was forever the guardian of Scripture and Tradition! But the Vatican made the sin of the split, everyone knows! The scripture wasn't from the church but from God since the church didn't write the bible but the Holy Spirit did to make sure it's correct. Church doesn't make rules but only God does. Otherwise we reject any church or person since it's not from God Read carefully The Church is the pillar of truth! The Spirit of God working through it always, if you do not understand it, then you have just another faith, religion ... in other words, the version of events!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 5, 2018 9:51:54 GMT
The scripture wasn't from the church but from God since the church didn't write the bible but the Holy Spirit did to make sure it's correct. Church doesn't make rules but only God does. Otherwise we reject any church or person since it's not from God Read carefully The Church is the pillar of truth! The Spirit of God working through it always, if you do not understand it, then you have just another faith, religion ... in other words, the version of events!Not every church is the pillar of truth. There are many churches and religions! One must not be deceived. 2 Peter 2:1-2 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.You're too trusting of things! Be cautious.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 5, 2018 10:22:19 GMT
Read carefully The Church is the pillar of truth! The Spirit of God working through it always, if you do not understand it, then you have just another faith, religion ... in other words, the version of events!Not every church is the pillar of truth. There are many churches and religions! One must not be deceived. 2 Peter 2:1-2 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.You're too trusting of things! Be cautious. I know the history and I know which church has always resisted schisms and temptations! Do not worry. That to every kind tree bringeth good fruit, and a thin tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree can not bring forth evil fruit, neither can a good tree bring forth evil fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you must know them. Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord!" Will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven.(Matthew 7- 15_21)Protestants says - Sola Scriptura- but at the same time understand the Scriptures each in its own way! Protestants often claim that they simply believe in the Bible. However, a closer look at their treatment of the Bible raises a number of questions. For example, why do Protestants write so many books about their faith and, in general, the Christian life, if, indeed, all that is needed is only the Bible? If one Bible was enough to understand it, then why would Protestants not limit themselves to spreading the Bible alone? And if it is self-sufficient, then why does not the reading of the Bible lead to an unambiguous result, that is why all Protestants do not believe in the same thing? What is the purpose of many Protestant Bible studies, if all we need is the Bible itself? Why do they distribute their countless treatises and other materials? Why do they even teach or preach anything? Why not just read the Bible to people? The answer is that (although they usually do not admit this, but instinctively feel it), the Bible, taken by itself, can not be fully understood. And in fact, every Protestant sect has its own tradition, although again, in general, it is not called by its name. It is not by chance that all Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the same thing, and all "Southern Baptists" more or less believe in the same thing, but the faith of the former differs significantly from the faith of the latter. Neither Jehovah's Witnesses nor Baptists, as a rule, came to their own views as a result of independent reading of the Bible; rather, they were taught to believe so according to the generally accepted - in one or another sect - tradition. Therefore, the question really is not whether we only believe in the Bible or use tradition as well, but in what tradition we use to interpret the Bible. Which tradition can be trusted - the Apostolic Tradition of the Orthodox Church or the eclectic traditions of Protestantism, which have no deep roots and only appeared during the time of the Protestant Reformation. For many Protestants - especially among evangelicals and charismatics - the word "tradition" or "tradition" is derogatory, and call something relevant to the legend is tantamount to to call it "the flesh," "spiritually dead," "destructive" and (or) "legalistic". And when they read the New Testament, it seems obvious to them that the Bible sharply condemns tradition as something contrary to Scripture. Ancient Christians, in their understanding, are very reminiscent of evangelicals or charismatics of the 20th century. The fact that the Christians of the first century on the Nativity of Christ had liturgical worship or adhered to some tradition, it seems inconceivable to them, but it seems that such things entered the Church later, "when it was spoiled."
When Protestants are beginning to seriously study the history of the early Church and the writings of early Christian fathers and see significantly different picture than the one they are accustomed himself to imagine - for them it is tantamount to strike (as it was for me at the time). It turns out, for example, that the first Christians did not carry their Bible with them every Sunday to the temple for study; in fact, it was so difficult to get a copy of at least some of the Scriptures (because it took time and certain materials to make it!) that very few people had their own copies. Most often, individual copies of Scripture were kept by specially appointed members of the Church or at the place where the Church gathered for worship. Moreover, most churches did not have the full composition of the books of the Old Testament and even more so - the New Testament (which was not even completed almost until the end of the first century). This does not mean that the ancient Christians did not study the Scriptures. They studied it very seriously, but not individually, but together. And for most of the first century, Christians limited themselves to studying the Old Testament. But how did they recognize the gospel, the life and teachings of Christ, in general, Who is Christ, the order of worship, etc.? They had only oral tradition, which they received from the apostles. Of course, many in the Ancient Church heard these things directly from the apostles themselves, but there were many more who did not hear them, especially near the end of the first century, when all the apostles had already passed away. Later generations had access to the writings of the apostles through the medium of the New Testament, but as for the Christian faith, in this the Ancient Church relied almost entirely on oral tradition. This dependence on the Tradition is also evident in the New Testament writings themselves. For example, St.. The apostle Paul warns the Thessalonians: "Now, brothers, stand and hold the traditions that you have been taught by either a word or a message" (2 Thessalonians 2, 15). Here the word "tradition" is a translation of the Greek word "paradosiV", which, though differently translated in some Protestant versions of the Bible, is the same word, what is the use Orthodox Greeks, when they speak of Tradition, and few biblical scholars dispute this its meaning. The word literally means "what is transferred." This is the same word that is used in a negative sense, when it comes to the false teachings of the Pharisees (Mark 7: 3, 5, 8.), As well as when it is said about the credibility of the Christian doctrine (1 Cor 11: 2; 2 Fec.. 2, 15). On the other hand, the apostle Paul, speaking of the Christian tradition, said: "I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions (paradoseiV) as I passed (paredwka - verb corresponding to the noun paradosiV) you" (1 Cor 11, 23). It is these words that the Orthodox Church refers to when it speaks of the apostolic Tradition: "... for the faith that was once given to the saints" (Jude 3). Its source is Christ, it was handed to Him personally by the apostles through all that He said and did, and if to write about all this in detail, "then the world itself would not contain the books written" (John 21, 25). The apostles gave their knowledge to the whole Church, and the Church, being the guardian of this treasure, thus became "the pillar and the assurance of truth" (1 Tim 3, 15). Protestants strongly oppose the Holy Tradition simply because the only form that they encountered is the perverted Tradition characteristic of Roman Catholicism. In contrast to the Roman Catholic point of view on Tradition, which for them is personified by the papacy and admits the introduction of new dogmas previously unknown to the Church (such as the infallibility of the pope - if one takes one of the most odious examples), the Orthodox do not believe that Tradition is growing or even Something changes. Of course, when the Church encounters heresy, it is forced to define more precisely the boundary between truth and error, but the Truth itself does not change.
We can say that, in a sense, Tradition is expanding. Since the Church exists in history, it does not forget the experience it has accumulated on the historical path, remembers its saints and preserves the writings of those who were the exact spokesman of its faith; but the very faith was "once delivered to the saints" (Jude 3).
How can we know that the Apostolic Tradition was intact in the Church? It can be briefly answered that God saved him in the Church, because He promised to do it. Christ said that He will build His Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it (Matthew 16, 18). The head of the Church is Christ Himself (Eph 4:16), and the Church is His body (Ephesians 1, 22-23), and He promised to be with His Church "even until the end of the age" (Matthew 28, 20). Christ did not promise that His Church will always prosper or that it will be the most numerous; in fact, He promised absolutely the opposite (Matthew 7, 13-14, 10, 22, John 15, 20). Nor did Christ promise that there will be no sinners in the Church (Matthew 13: 24-30) or that she will not have to contend with false shepherds or wolves in sheep's clothing (John 10: 1-13, 7, 15). But He really promised the Church to be unshakable and ultimately triumphant, in which He will invariably be present and will be instructed "to all truth" by the Holy Spirit (John 16, 13). If the Church lost or distorted the Apostolic Tradition, then the Truth would have to cease to be Truth - for the Church is the pillar and the affirmation of truth (1 Timothy 3, 15).
The general Protestant conception of church history, which says that, since the time of Constantine, the Church fell into apostasy and remained in such a state until the onset of the Reformation, it takes all these and many other biblical truths to be meaningless. If the Church ceased to exist even for one day, then on the same day it would be overcome by the gates of hell. And if this were so, then Christ, describing the growth of the Church in the parable of the mustard seed (Matthew 13, 31-32), would necessarily say that the originally grown plant was cut down and a new seed was sown in its place; but instead he used the image of a mustard seed, which, being small at first, then grows more than all the cereals and becomes a tree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:41:45 GMT
How do we know this? Because in the scriptures prophets, apostles, and even Christ Himself refer to the scriptures over and over when making points. We can start with the phrase “it is written” which is used in both the OT and the NT over 80 times. Here is every time it is used in the OT; Joshua 8:31 KJV [31] As Moses the servant of the Lord commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the Lord , and sacrificed peace offerings. 1 Kings 2:3 KJV [3] And keep the charge of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself: 2 Kings 23:21 KJV [21] And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the Lord your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant. 2 Chronicles 23:18 KJV [18] Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the Lord by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the Lord , to offer the burnt offerings of the Lord , as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David. 2 Chronicles 25:4 KJV [4] But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin. 2 Chronicles 31:3 KJV [3] He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit , for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the Lord . 2 Chronicles 35:12 KJV [12] And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the Lord , as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. 2 Chronicles 35:12 KJV [12] And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the Lord , as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. Ezra 3:2 KJV [2] Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God. Ezra 3:4 KJV [4] They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; Ezra 6:18 KJV [18] And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses. Nehemiah 8:15 KJV [15] And that they should publish and proclaim in all their cities, and in Jerusalem, saying, Go forth unto the mount, and fetch olive branches, and pine branches, and myrtle branches, and palm branches, and branches of thick trees, to make booths, as it is written. Nehemiah 10:34 KJV [34] And we cast the lots among the priests, the Levites, and the people, for the wood offering, to bring it into the house of our God, after the houses of our fathers, at times appointed year by year, to burn upon the altar of the Lord our God, as it is written in the law: Nehemiah 10:36 KJV [36] Also the firstborn of our sons, and of our cattle, as it is written in the law, and the firstlings of our herds and of our flocks, to bring to the house of our God, unto the priests that minister in the house of our God: Isaiah 65:6 KJV [6] Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, Jeremiah 25:13 KJV [13] And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations. Daniel 9:13 KJV [13] As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. As you can see, throughout the OT the scriptures are used as an authority. Why is this? Well because the scriptures are God’s word. 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: And in case you had any doubts about the word “inspiration”, God’s word is preserved for ever. Psalm 12:6-7 KJV [6] The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. [7] Thou shalt keep them, O Lord , thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. His word is right. Psalm 33:4 KJV [4] For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth. He spoke heaven and everything therein into existence, Psalm 33:6 KJV [6] By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. ..along with everything else. Genesis 1:3,6,9,11,14,20,24,26 KJV [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [11] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [14] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: [20] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [24] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. We should praise His word. Psalm 56:10 KJV [10] In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. God’s word has been published. Psalm 68:11 KJV [11] The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it . Acts 13:49 KJV [49] And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. Salvation is according to His word. Psalm 119:41 KJV [41] Let thy mercies come also unto me, O Lord , even thy salvation, according to thy word. We can only be given understanding through His word. Psalm 119:169 KJV [169] Let my cry come near before thee, O Lord : give me understanding according to thy word. Over and over the word of the Lord is preached, taught, and glorified, Acts 8:25 KJV [25] And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans. Acts 13:48 KJV [48] And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 15:35 KJV [35] Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also. Acts 15:36 KJV [36] And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. The doctrine of God is referred to as the authority, 1 Timothy 6:1-3 KJV [1] Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. [2] And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them , because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. [3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; The scriptures are referred to as an authority all throughout the NT, even by Christ Himself, Matthew 21:42 KJV [42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Matthew 22:29 KJV [29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Mark 12:10 KJV [10] And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: Mark 12:24 KJV [24] And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? Mark 14:49 KJV [49] I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. John 2:22 KJV [22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 5:39 KJV [39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 7:38 KJV [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. John 7:42 KJV [42] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? John 13:18 KJV [18] I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. John 17:12 KJV [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 19:24 KJV [24] They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. John 19:28 KJV [28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. John 19:36 KJV [36] For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. John 19:37 KJV [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. John 20:9 KJV [9] For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead. Romans 4:3 KJV [3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Romans 10:11 KJV [11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Corinthians 15:4 KJV [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Galatians 3:22 KJV [22] But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Isn’t this just overwhelming? Seems very very clear that doctrine, the scriptures, the word of the Lord, God’s word is the authority. It is written... Matthew 4:4 KJV [4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:6 KJV [6] And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Matthew 4:7 KJV [7] Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:10 KJV [10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 21:13 KJV [13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. Mark 7:6 KJV [6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Mark 9:12 KJV [12] And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. John 6:45 KJV [45] It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Acts 1:20 KJV [20] For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Acts 7:42 KJV [42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Acts 13:33 KJV [33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Romans 1:17 KJV [17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 3:4 KJV [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. There are a lot more verses that I have not shared here that refer to what is written as the authority. So there can only be one conclusion, and that is the Bible is the authority, not theologians, not church fathers, not ecumenical councils, not any church, not any creed, not any man, but God’s word. The Holy Bible. The written word is merely a transmission of a non-written revelation, where the word becomes an extension of the premise revelation itself. These new revelations, while reverting back to some scriptures in themselves (such as Christs ministry), inevitably reflect prior non-written revelations. We can see this premise in genesis where the first commandment was one of the first moral law, hence tradition, and not scripture as "Do no eat of the fruit...". The revelation of the genesis is the premise of tradition extending into scripture and not-vice versa. In these respects, because of Genesis, the scripture is premised from tradition and not vice versa.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 5, 2018 19:17:31 GMT
How do we know this? Because in the scriptures prophets, apostles, and even Christ Himself refer to the scriptures over and over when making points. We can start with the phrase “it is written” which is used in both the OT and the NT over 80 times. Here is every time it is used in the OT; Joshua 8:31 KJV [31] As Moses the servant of the Lord commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the Lord , and sacrificed peace offerings. 1 Kings 2:3 KJV [3] And keep the charge of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself: 2 Kings 23:21 KJV [21] And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the Lord your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant. 2 Chronicles 23:18 KJV [18] Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the Lord by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the Lord , to offer the burnt offerings of the Lord , as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David. 2 Chronicles 25:4 KJV [4] But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin. 2 Chronicles 31:3 KJV [3] He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit , for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the Lord . 2 Chronicles 35:12 KJV [12] And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the Lord , as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. 2 Chronicles 35:12 KJV [12] And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the Lord , as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. Ezra 3:2 KJV [2] Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God. Ezra 3:4 KJV [4] They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; Ezra 6:18 KJV [18] And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses. Nehemiah 8:15 KJV [15] And that they should publish and proclaim in all their cities, and in Jerusalem, saying, Go forth unto the mount, and fetch olive branches, and pine branches, and myrtle branches, and palm branches, and branches of thick trees, to make booths, as it is written. Nehemiah 10:34 KJV [34] And we cast the lots among the priests, the Levites, and the people, for the wood offering, to bring it into the house of our God, after the houses of our fathers, at times appointed year by year, to burn upon the altar of the Lord our God, as it is written in the law: Nehemiah 10:36 KJV [36] Also the firstborn of our sons, and of our cattle, as it is written in the law, and the firstlings of our herds and of our flocks, to bring to the house of our God, unto the priests that minister in the house of our God: Isaiah 65:6 KJV [6] Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, Jeremiah 25:13 KJV [13] And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations. Daniel 9:13 KJV [13] As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. As you can see, throughout the OT the scriptures are used as an authority. Why is this? Well because the scriptures are God’s word. 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: And in case you had any doubts about the word “inspiration”, God’s word is preserved for ever. Psalm 12:6-7 KJV [6] The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. [7] Thou shalt keep them, O Lord , thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. His word is right. Psalm 33:4 KJV [4] For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth. He spoke heaven and everything therein into existence, Psalm 33:6 KJV [6] By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. ..along with everything else. Genesis 1:3,6,9,11,14,20,24,26 KJV [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [11] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [14] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: [20] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [24] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. We should praise His word. Psalm 56:10 KJV [10] In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. God’s word has been published. Psalm 68:11 KJV [11] The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it . Acts 13:49 KJV [49] And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. Salvation is according to His word. Psalm 119:41 KJV [41] Let thy mercies come also unto me, O Lord , even thy salvation, according to thy word. We can only be given understanding through His word. Psalm 119:169 KJV [169] Let my cry come near before thee, O Lord : give me understanding according to thy word. Over and over the word of the Lord is preached, taught, and glorified, Acts 8:25 KJV [25] And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans. Acts 13:48 KJV [48] And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 15:35 KJV [35] Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also. Acts 15:36 KJV [36] And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. The doctrine of God is referred to as the authority, 1 Timothy 6:1-3 KJV [1] Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. [2] And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them , because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. [3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; The scriptures are referred to as an authority all throughout the NT, even by Christ Himself, Matthew 21:42 KJV [42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Matthew 22:29 KJV [29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Mark 12:10 KJV [10] And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: Mark 12:24 KJV [24] And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? Mark 14:49 KJV [49] I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. John 2:22 KJV [22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 5:39 KJV [39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 7:38 KJV [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. John 7:42 KJV [42] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? John 13:18 KJV [18] I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. John 17:12 KJV [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 19:24 KJV [24] They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. John 19:28 KJV [28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. John 19:36 KJV [36] For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. John 19:37 KJV [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. John 20:9 KJV [9] For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead. Romans 4:3 KJV [3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Romans 10:11 KJV [11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Corinthians 15:4 KJV [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Galatians 3:22 KJV [22] But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Isn’t this just overwhelming? Seems very very clear that doctrine, the scriptures, the word of the Lord, God’s word is the authority. It is written... Matthew 4:4 KJV [4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:6 KJV [6] And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Matthew 4:7 KJV [7] Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:10 KJV [10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 21:13 KJV [13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. Mark 7:6 KJV [6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Mark 9:12 KJV [12] And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. John 6:45 KJV [45] It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Acts 1:20 KJV [20] For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Acts 7:42 KJV [42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Acts 13:33 KJV [33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Romans 1:17 KJV [17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 3:4 KJV [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. There are a lot more verses that I have not shared here that refer to what is written as the authority. So there can only be one conclusion, and that is the Bible is the authority, not theologians, not church fathers, not ecumenical councils, not any church, not any creed, not any man, but God’s word. The Holy Bible. The written word is merely a transmission of a non-written revelation, where the word becomes an extension of the premise revelation itself. These new revelations, while reverting back to some scriptures in themselves (such as Christs ministry), inevitably reflect prior non-written revelations. We can see this premise in genesis where the first commandment was one of the first moral law, hence tradition, and not scripture as "Do no eat of the fruit...". The revelation of the genesis is the premise of tradition extending into scripture and not-vice versa. In these respects, because of Genesis, the scripture is premised from tradition and not vice versa. I don’t think I ever made the vice versa claim. Today, scripture IS the authority.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 5, 2018 20:14:51 GMT
DKTrav88 If for you Scripture authority why do not you keep this place? biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-13.htm Above, I wrote that you need the right key for understanding the Scriptures, and your wrong hints on the Roman tradition do not work! It was the Roman tradition that became the causal Reformation ... but that does not mean that other historical Churches are like the Vatican! Although I understand perfectly well that American historical education is very superficial! Full Fast Food in religion ... but as fast food hurts your health, so fast approach to the Bible (hope that humans mind can directly understand everything) is harmful to the soul and salvation also. Amen!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 5, 2018 20:57:08 GMT
The written word is merely a transmission of a non-written revelation, where the word becomes an extension of the premise revelation itself. These new revelations, while reverting back to some scriptures in themselves (such as Christs ministry), inevitably reflect prior non-written revelations. We can see this premise in genesis where the first commandment was one of the first moral law, hence tradition, and not scripture as "Do no eat of the fruit...". The revelation of the genesis is the premise of tradition extending into scripture and not-vice versa. In these respects, because of Genesis, the scripture is premised from tradition and not vice versa. I don’t think I ever made the vice versa claim. Today, scripture IS the authority. Technically, scripture was always the authority. Anyway not thinking so isn't even following Christ.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 5, 2018 21:05:06 GMT
DKTrav88 If for you Scripture authority why do not you keep this place? biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-13.htm Above, I wrote that you need the right key for understanding the Scriptures, and your wrong hints on the Roman tradition do not work! It was the Roman tradition that became the causal Reformation ... but that does not mean that other historical Churches are like the Vatican! Although I understand perfectly well that American historical education is very superficial! Full Fast Food in religion ... but as fast food hurts your health, so fast approach to the Bible (hope that humans mind can directly understand everything) is harmful to the soul and salvation also. Amen! Yes, the right key for understanding is very important. Luckily, it tells us in scripture what the right key is. Job 32:8 "But it is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding.Proverbs 28:5 Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things.Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments; His praise endures forever.Psalm 119:104 From Your precepts I get understanding;Therefore I hate every false way.So only one key and we must hate all other false ways.
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