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Post by Elizabeth on May 25, 2018 8:48:03 GMT
Can someone summarize this weirdo Calvin's stuff for me? He's starting to get annoying showing up in here where he's not wanted... Diamond keeps mentioning Calvin a lot. And the only Calvin I know is Calvin and Hobbes comics  I read like 3 books already. They're so funny look...(click to enlarge)    But ok the Calvin that Diamond likes to talk about. Who is he? Why is he important? I think best to replace him with Calvin and Hobbes though. XD |
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 25, 2018 9:16:26 GMT
Can someone summarize this weirdo Calvin's stuff for me? He's starting to get annoying showing up in here where he's not wanted... Diamond actually agrees with Calvin on a few things, like original sin. So that must mean diamond is a supporter of Calvin and believes Calvin and not the scriptures, right? Never mind what the scripture says when John Calvin said it too!  But to answer your question, here are some of the things Calvin believed; - Original sin and the fall of man - Christ died for all people - Doctrine of predestination - Justification by faith alone - Infant baptism Among other things, Calvin also, - respected the work of the ecumenical councils, - denied the papal claim to primacy, - viewed Scripture as being equivalent to an utterance of God given from heaven, - and rejected the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation I think diamond would agree with some of these, he must be a follower of John Calvin facepalm |
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Post by Elizabeth on May 25, 2018 9:40:38 GMT
Can someone summarize this weirdo Calvin's stuff for me? He's starting to get annoying showing up in here where he's not wanted... Diamond actually agrees with Calvin on a few things, like original sin. So that must mean diamond is a supporter of Calvin and believes Calvin and not the scriptures, right? Never mind what the scripture says when John Calvin said it too! But to answer your question, here are some of the things Calvin believed; - Original sin and the fall of man - Christ died for all people - Doctrine of predestination - Justification by faith alone - Infant baptism Among other things, Calvin also, - respected the work of the ecumenical councils, - denied the papal claim to primacy, - viewed Scripture as being equivalent to an utterance of God given from heaven, - and rejected the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation I think diamond would agree with some of these, he must be a follower of John Calvin facepalm I don't think Calvin read the scripture. He's almost as funny as my Calvin and Hobbes comics. Shrug |
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 25, 2018 10:02:04 GMT
Diamond actually agrees with Calvin on a few things, like original sin. So that must mean diamond is a supporter of Calvin and believes Calvin and not the scriptures, right? Never mind what the scripture says when John Calvin said it too! But to answer your question, here are some of the things Calvin believed; - Original sin and the fall of man - Christ died for all people - Doctrine of predestination - Justification by faith alone - Infant baptism Among other things, Calvin also, - respected the work of the ecumenical councils, - denied the papal claim to primacy, - viewed Scripture as being equivalent to an utterance of God given from heaven, - and rejected the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation I think diamond would agree with some of these, he must be a follower of John Calvin I don't think Calvin read the scripture. He's almost as funny as my Calvin and Hobbes comics.  He definitely had mixed views. He took some doctrines from the Bible, but then took some doctrines from the Catholic Church as well. He by far wasn't right about everything and I knew that before I even looked into what he believed. I have to wonder why I keep getting called a Calvinist and a Lutheran when I don't agree with either of them on so many things, because so much of what they believed was not Biblical. |
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Post by Elizabeth on May 25, 2018 10:07:26 GMT
I don't think Calvin read the scripture. He's almost as funny as my Calvin and Hobbes comics. He definitely had mixed views. He took some doctrines from the Bible, but then took some doctrines from the Catholic Church as well. He by far wasn't right about everything and I knew that before I even looked into what he believed. I have to wonder why I keep getting called a Calvinist and a Lutheran when I don't agree with either of them on so many things, because so much of what they believed was not Biblical. He seems Catholic or Orthodox. I don't know. He shares baby baptism idea with them and other things Shrug but he stuck to councils...it should disqualify him as protestant. I don't consider him protestant... |
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 25, 2018 10:18:39 GMT
He definitely had mixed views. He took some doctrines from the Bible, but then took some doctrines from the Catholic Church as well. He by far wasn't right about everything and I knew that before I even looked into what he believed. I have to wonder why I keep getting called a Calvinist and a Lutheran when I don't agree with either of them on so many things, because so much of what they believed was not Biblical. He seems Catholic or Orthodox. I don't know. He shares baby baptism idea with them and other things but he stuck to councils...it should disqualify him as protestant. I don't consider him protestant... Yea, I dont see him as protestant either. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin#ControversiesIt seems a lot of the theologians of his time were at odds with him and each other over specific doctrines. None of them ever completely agreed. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 25, 2018 10:26:18 GMT
Calvin's teaching gave a historical basis to Protestantism, so I mentioned it!
I'm afraid you absolutely do not understand my position here! Just about your thinking absolutely leaving in the other direction ... I understand that on the other side of the world other realities, but it's just the result - Mixed!
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Post by Elizabeth on May 25, 2018 10:29:38 GMT
Calvin's teaching gave a historical basis to Protestantism, so I mentioned it! I'm afraid you absolutely do not understand my position here! Just about your thinking absolutely leaving in the other direction ... I understand that on the other side of the world other realities, but it's just the result - Mixed! Calvin isn't important. Forget about him! XD Try reading Calvin and Hobbes. The kid Calvin is so funny with his tiger Hobbes |
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 25, 2018 10:31:23 GMT
The fact that modern Protestants constantly disagree with their predecessors speaks only of the fact that the split in the church, continues to gain momentum and the end and edge of this is not visible.
This is the result when a person himself began to teach the Bible without referring to the experience of the Church.
Result turns sectarian doctrine + tithing! $$$
Business!
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 25, 2018 10:46:41 GMT
The fact that modern Protestants constantly disagree with their predecessors speaks only of the fact that the split in the church, continues to gain momentum and the end and edge of this is not visible. This is the result when a person himself began to teach the Bible without referring to the experience of the Church. Result turns sectarian doctrine + tithing! $$$ Business! Mega churches aren't Christian, much less Protestant. False prophets are everywhere. Your issue is you believe the orthodox church is infallible, which isn't true at all. I even showed you a fallacy today, that being your belief that praying to saints in heaven and them mediating and making intercession for saints on earth isn't scriptural, and you would not repent of it. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 25, 2018 11:09:40 GMT
The term Bible itself was introduced by Greek Orthodox priests!
You do not have the arguments and experience to have serious reasons for doubting the Church!
You just have a parallel teaching ... under the mask of the Church!
The church is a place of repentance and prayer, and not a monsieur of human compulsion, it is not human to be afraid of human judgment!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 9, 2018 10:45:58 GMT
Can someone summarize this weirdo Calvin's stuff for me? He's starting to get annoying showing up in here where he's not wanted... Diamond keeps mentioning Calvin a lot. And the only Calvin I know is Calvin and Hobbes comics  I read like 3 books already. They're so funny look...(click to enlarge) But ok the Calvin that Diamond likes to talk about. Who is he? Why is he important? I think best to replace him with Calvin and Hobbes though. XD As I understand it the thing that makes John Calvin distinct is a major focus on predestination. Basically God chooses who to save and who not to save and nobody can do a thing about it. Either you are of the elect and destined for heaven or you are not and destined for hell. Romans 9 is the basis for this belief in predestination. |
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I read like 3 books already. They're so funny look...(click to enlarge)
I read like 3 books already. They're so funny look...(click to enlarge)