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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 25, 2018 19:41:02 GMT
Praised which ones? He just called Himself the bread of life because He gives life basically.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 19:44:34 GMT
Praised which ones? He just called Himself the bread of life because He gives life basically. Oh, yeah? What about bread itself? Don't you want to say that He's been talking just about metaphysically bread?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 25, 2018 19:52:21 GMT
Praised which ones? He just called Himself the bread of life because He gives life basically. Oh, yeah? What about bread itself? Don't you want to say that He's been talking just about metaphysically bread? He gives life so is bread of life plus He said to do the Lord's Super to accept Him as bread of life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 20:01:50 GMT
Oh, yeah? What about bread itself? Don't you want to say that He's been talking just about metaphysically bread? He gives life so is bread of life plus He said to do the Lord's Super to accept Him as bread of life. Aha, so He gives his life as a bread, right? The bread is Christ, right?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 25, 2018 20:15:43 GMT
He gives life so is bread of life plus He said to do the Lord's Super to accept Him as bread of life. Aha, so He gives his life as a bread, right? The bread is Christ, right? Yes, gives it to those who obey and follow Him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 20:38:00 GMT
Aha, so He gives his life as a bread, right? The bread is Christ, right? Yes, gives it to those who obey and follow Him. 1. Aha. According to your words - Christ is the bread - I will name Christ a cheater, because He cheated all the 5000 people by either giving them himself to torn up into pieces, or there were several Christ (there were several breads!). 2. Bread is a product of tradition. So, Christ gave Himself just like a new tradition (New Testament). That's why traditions must be continued.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 25, 2018 22:00:16 GMT
Yes, gives it to those who obey and follow Him. 1. Aha. According to your words - Christ is the bread - I will name Christ a cheater, because He cheated all the 5000 people by either giving them himself to torn up into pieces, or there were several Christ (there were several breads!). 2. Bread is a product of tradition. So, Christ gave Himself just like a new tradition (New Testament). That's why traditions must be continued. Not according to my words . Jesus said it Himself. John 6:35 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. How is bread a tradition? But if you mean live by Jesus and follow what He said in the bible then sure. That is the tradition then since it's in the bible to live and do what He said in scipture.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 22:30:44 GMT
1. Aha. According to your words - Christ is the bread - I will name Christ a cheater, because He cheated all the 5000 people by either giving them himself to torn up into pieces, or there were several Christ (there were several breads!). 2. Bread is a product of tradition. So, Christ gave Himself just like a new tradition (New Testament). That's why traditions must be continued. Not according to my words . Jesus said it Himself. John 6:35 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. How is bread a tradition? But if you mean live by Jesus and follow what He said in the bible then sure. That is the tradition then since it's in the bible to live and do what He said in scipture. Everything has its own tradition just as it has its origins. One things differ from another by the art which means being made by humans. Bread belongs to the things which is being made by human. What does it mean: being made by human? It means there were people who did thir work to get the product/item/tool, etc. What does it mean: they did their job? It means: they were looking for info, gathered it, classified and released it. All the steps are important big steps which required not low energy to it. So, all the steps can be called: the history. Now, do you understand what do I mean and what have I wanted to say, or still you don't? The one denying the history as the work and the culture, automatically denies the product itself. By the way, this explanations of it belong to Hegel and Marx. So, it's not only the wish or desire to deny traditions, but it is the clear political position behind it.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 27, 2018 23:08:45 GMT
Not according to my words . Jesus said it Himself. John 6:35 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. How is bread a tradition? But if you mean live by Jesus and follow what He said in the bible then sure. That is the tradition then since it's in the bible to live and do what He said in scipture. Everything has its own tradition just as it has its origins. One things differ from another by the art which means being made by humans. Bread belongs to the things which is being made by human. What does it mean: being made by human? It means there were people who did thir work to get the product/item/tool, etc. What does it mean: they did their job? It means: they were looking for info, gathered it, classified and released it. All the steps are important big steps which required not low energy to it. So, all the steps can be called: the history. Now, do you understand what do I mean and what have I wanted to say, or still you don't? The one denying the history as the work and the culture, automatically denies the product itself. By the way, this explanations of it belong to Hegel and Marx. So, it's not only the wish or desire to deny traditions, but it is the clear political position behind it. Jesus came to be a human. He isn't a human noe but back to being God. So, when He was here He was in human flesh so He delivered the message as a human but the message came from God not a human because He's not like us but is God. So, Him making sure what He said is written down is Him making sure the God's word is written down and not anything that human added as their own. So, when Jesus taught to do the Lord's supper for example He wanted to make sure it was done correctly. And if you read after the gospels in Corinthians that it said how to do the Lord's Supper and it says it's done as Jesus taught it. So Christians only tradition is do to it like Jesus. Jesus didn't kiss any images or icons and He didn't teach it nor did any book in the bible say to do it. So this tradition isn't God's. When people made these new traditions they did deny the history. Because that's not what Jesus said to do. Or else someone must prove me wrong with verses. So yes history of the foundation of Christianity is important. But it's only in the bible where it was made.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 4:56:40 GMT
Everything has its own tradition just as it has its origins. One things differ from another by the art which means being made by humans. Bread belongs to the things which is being made by human. What does it mean: being made by human? It means there were people who did thir work to get the product/item/tool, etc. What does it mean: they did their job? It means: they were looking for info, gathered it, classified and released it. All the steps are important big steps which required not low energy to it. So, all the steps can be called: the history. Now, do you understand what do I mean and what have I wanted to say, or still you don't? The one denying the history as the work and the culture, automatically denies the product itself. By the way, this explanations of it belong to Hegel and Marx. So, it's not only the wish or desire to deny traditions, but it is the clear political position behind it. Jesus came to be a human. He isn't a human noe but back to being God. So, when He was here He was in human flesh so He delivered the message as a human but the message came from God not a human because He's not like us but is God. So, Him making sure what He said is written down is Him making sure the God's word is written down and not anything that human added as their own. So, when Jesus taught to do the Lord's supper for example He wanted to make sure it was done correctly. And if you read after the gospels in Corinthians that it said how to do the Lord's Supper and it says it's done as Jesus taught it. So Christians only tradition is do to it like Jesus. Jesus didn't kiss any images or icons and He didn't teach it nor did any book in the bible say to do it. So this tradition isn't God's. When people made these new traditions they did deny the history. Because that's not what Jesus said to do. Or else someone must prove me wrong with verses. So yes history of the foundation of Christianity is important. But it's only in the bible where it was made. I'm sorry, Elizabeth, but what was that? Don't you deny the history of making of any product? Sure, your words of Christ are according to Bible, but I ain't talking about here. Jesus or God, whatever cannot change rules of nature, and the history of product is the key to understanding the product. There is no other way to do it. Take a look, you want to understand what is this: Gog and Magog. You know what the bread, or clothes, or boots mean, but this, or any other not often names, is different. To understand it you go to library or Goggle it; actually, your actions of finding info is a part of whole understanding the notion. If there would be no answer on this question you would have to dealt with science work of finding the concept, and until it would be finished the work wouldn't be completed and you didn't have the meaning. Your researches are the same as in 'the bread' case - to find its history. This scientific task can't be avoided after Hegel. His award was for understanding the role of history in finding understanding of notions. Hegel proved that it would be no possible for a notion (a meaning) to be regardless its history; the meaning and the history of its creation iis the same. For now, Bible is almost completed in understanding of notions and meanings; and the knowledge of this fact doesn't equal to 'everyone reading Bible knows meanings'. To have the lib and to know context of the books is not the same. That's why even Christ couldn't deny it concerning that He went to Synagogue and He was well-educated even being a simple Carpenter; if He would not know anything being a man, He would not teach anything, because his teaching is wise things, not mumbo-jumbo.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 28, 2018 5:34:47 GMT
Jesus came to be a human. He isn't a human noe but back to being God. So, when He was here He was in human flesh so He delivered the message as a human but the message came from God not a human because He's not like us but is God. So, Him making sure what He said is written down is Him making sure the God's word is written down and not anything that human added as their own. So, when Jesus taught to do the Lord's supper for example He wanted to make sure it was done correctly. And if you read after the gospels in Corinthians that it said how to do the Lord's Supper and it says it's done as Jesus taught it. So Christians only tradition is do to it like Jesus. Jesus didn't kiss any images or icons and He didn't teach it nor did any book in the bible say to do it. So this tradition isn't God's. When people made these new traditions they did deny the history. Because that's not what Jesus said to do. Or else someone must prove me wrong with verses. So yes history of the foundation of Christianity is important. But it's only in the bible where it was made. I'm sorry, Elizabeth, but what was that? Don't you deny the history of making of any product? Sure, your words of Christ are according to Bible, but I ain't talking about here. Jesus or God, whatever cannot change rules of nature, and the history of product is the key to understanding the product. There is no other way to do it. Take a look, you want to understand what is this: Gog and Magog. You know what the bread, or clothes, or boots mean, but this, or any other not often names, is different. To understand it you go to library or Goggle it; actually, your actions of finding info is a part of whole understanding the notion. If there would be no answer on this question you would have to dealt with science work of finding the concept, and until it would be finished the work wouldn't be completed and you didn't have the meaning. Your researches are the same as in 'the bread' case - to find its history. This scientific task can't be avoided after Hegel. His award was for understanding the role of history in finding understanding of notions. Hegel proved that it would be no possible for a notion (a meaning) to be regardless its history; the meaning and the history of its creation iis the same. For now, Bible is almost completed in understanding of notions and meanings; and the knowledge of this fact doesn't equal to 'everyone reading Bible knows meanings'. To have the lib and to know context of the books is not the same. That's why even Christ couldn't deny it concerning that He went to Synagogue and He was well-educated even being a simple Carpenter; if He would not know anything being a man, He would not teach anything, because his teaching is wise things, not mumbo-jumbo. Yes, the history of Christianity is in the New Testament. That's when Christianity came into being and started. So anyone wanting to go to the beginning must got to NT and if they want to learn how NT came to being then that's in the history of OT. I will move this to a new thread. I feel bad ruining Romeo's thread with religion. XD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 7:20:30 GMT
I'm sorry, Elizabeth, but what was that? Don't you deny the history of making of any product? Sure, your words of Christ are according to Bible, but I ain't talking about here. Jesus or God, whatever cannot change rules of nature, and the history of product is the key to understanding the product. There is no other way to do it. Take a look, you want to understand what is this: Gog and Magog. You know what the bread, or clothes, or boots mean, but this, or any other not often names, is different. To understand it you go to library or Goggle it; actually, your actions of finding info is a part of whole understanding the notion. If there would be no answer on this question you would have to dealt with science work of finding the concept, and until it would be finished the work wouldn't be completed and you didn't have the meaning. Your researches are the same as in 'the bread' case - to find its history. This scientific task can't be avoided after Hegel. His award was for understanding the role of history in finding understanding of notions. Hegel proved that it would be no possible for a notion (a meaning) to be regardless its history; the meaning and the history of its creation iis the same. For now, Bible is almost completed in understanding of notions and meanings; and the knowledge of this fact doesn't equal to 'everyone reading Bible knows meanings'. To have the lib and to know context of the books is not the same. That's why even Christ couldn't deny it concerning that He went to Synagogue and He was well-educated even being a simple Carpenter; if He would not know anything being a man, He would not teach anything, because his teaching is wise things, not mumbo-jumbo. Yes, the history of Christianity is in the New Testament. That's when Christianity came into being and started. So anyone wanting to go to the beginning must got to NT and if they want to learn how NT came to being then that's in the history of OT. I will move this to a new thread. I feel bad ruining Romeo's thread with religion. XD Agree with the 'transportation' of it. The history of Christianity is not in the New Testament, that I've been trying to explain you all the time. How can you after all I've said write that the history of Christianity there?!.. ?? Certainly, NT has shown the most bright example of Christianity, but it's not completed, and it cannot be as long as it uses terms that doesn't have in it. I've already told ya, there's no explanations of Gog and Magog in Bible, just like many others. Do you know, for example, that Paul's to Titus has a note of using wine, but the procedure itself is coming from Romanian soldier? Or, do you know that Corinthian 1&2 is just Corinthian 2&4? The New Testament is fulfilled with interpolations. I can be absolutely sure, but my lecturer of the Ancient Greek told me that the words of Christ to a crime 'You'll be in Heaven with me' is an interpolation of IX century. You can check different book to find more authority researchers on it. So, how way are you going to take the NT by itself to understanding I really don't know... Ok, if we're limited ourselves just on Bible, that why all the researches in Nature? We'd rather to go to caves, and live with candles and bonfires. Take a look at Paul's stories in Areopagh, the place where the Greeks are conversating with each other about some issues, he's been trying to explain the Greeks the life & Resurrection of Christ. And we can find many other verses on good opinion about improving things, making them better. And, as Diamond said in one of the threads (I don't remember exactly), that some places in Gospels as well as in Bible generally can't be explained even theologically by itself. All these places 30 coins, etc - are just meaning to external from Bible. I was beating my head trying to explain you that we couldn't understand many words and notions in Bible without external researches including historical analysis. If Bible would have everything in it, there would be no need in all these debates as well as any debates on it in general. Even "The Origins" of Euclidian, of Einsteins' works are discussible, but these books are less contradictional than Bible? Some places in Bible are horrible, and without studying it deeper we will have serious problems with the law, and will admire that Bible is the most extremist literature ever! Have a Psalms 136: 8-9: "blessed is he who will break the babes against the stone"; Exodus 10:20: "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go"; Mathews 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". Without external contexts it is empty. Either we go to study it harder, or we need to admire Bible as the most cruel literature that is needed to be banned. Don't agree on me Elizabeth, anyway I love you and dktrav88 too
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 28, 2018 8:05:35 GMT
Yes, the history of Christianity is in the New Testament. That's when Christianity came into being and started. So anyone wanting to go to the beginning must got to NT and if they want to learn how NT came to being then that's in the history of OT. I will move this to a new thread. I feel bad ruining Romeo's thread with religion. XD Agree with the 'transportation' of it. The history of Christianity is not in the New Testament, that I've been trying to explain you all the time. How can you after all I've said write that the history of Christianity there?!.. ?? Certainly, NT has shown the most bright example of Christianity, but it's not completed, and it cannot be as long as it uses terms that doesn't have in it. I've already told ya, there's no explanations of Gog and Magog in Bible, just like many others. Do you know, for example, that Paul's to Titus has a note of using wine, but the procedure itself is coming from Romanian soldier? Or, do you know that Corinthian 1&2 is just Corinthian 2&4? The New Testament is fulfilled with interpolations. I can be absolutely sure, but my lecturer of the Ancient Greek told me that the words of Christ to a crime 'You'll be in Heaven with me' is an interpolation of IX century. You can check different book to find more authority researchers on it. So, how way are you going to take the NT by itself to understanding I really don't know... Ok, if we're limited ourselves just on Bible, that why all the researches in Nature? We'd rather to go to caves, and live with candles and bonfires. Take a look at Paul's stories in Areopagh, the place where the Greeks are conversating with each other about some issues, he's been trying to explain the Greeks the life & Resurrection of Christ. And we can find many other verses on good opinion about improving things, making them better. And, as Diamond said in one of the threads (I don't remember exactly), that some places in Gospels as well as in Bible generally can't be explained even theologically by itself. All these places 30 coins, etc - are just meaning to external from Bible. I was beating my head trying to explain you that we couldn't understand many words and notions in Bible without external researches including historical analysis. If Bible would have everything in it, there would be no need in all these debates as well as any debates on it in general. Even "The Origins" of Euclidian, of Einsteins' works are discussible, but these books are less contradictional than Bible? Some places in Bible are horrible, and without studying it deeper we will have serious problems with the law, and will admire that Bible is the most extremist literature ever! Have a Psalms 136: 8-9: "blessed is he who will break the babes against the stone"; Exodus 10:20: "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go"; Mathews 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". Without external contexts it is empty. Either we go to study it harder, or we need to admire Bible as the most cruel literature that is needed to be banned. Don't agree on me Elizabeth, anyway I love you and dktrav88 too Well, Christianity began with Jesus right? And Jesus is in the bible teaching this religion. So from book of Matthew to book of Revelation we see Jesus teaching and the writers copying everything of the religion in the NT books. Then the middle of Christianity is now. After the NT was written. Now we must live by what was written And end of Christianity on planet Earth is when the Earth will be gone and all the Christians in heaven. This is how I see how it works basically. Shrug And Jesus used parables/stories and even had the writers make extra books to explain what He said in the gospels. So that's to say the bible is the only thing needed for teaching and stuff and it says it is. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. Exodus is Old Testament so that's Judaism. I won't really care too about books in OT because they're not Christianity. Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 8:40:22 GMT
He is GOD and TRUE SAVIOR of humanity
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 14:28:12 GMT
Agree with the 'transportation' of it. The history of Christianity is not in the New Testament, that I've been trying to explain you all the time. How can you after all I've said write that the history of Christianity there?!.. ?? Certainly, NT has shown the most bright example of Christianity, but it's not completed, and it cannot be as long as it uses terms that doesn't have in it. I've already told ya, there's no explanations of Gog and Magog in Bible, just like many others. Do you know, for example, that Paul's to Titus has a note of using wine, but the procedure itself is coming from Romanian soldier? Or, do you know that Corinthian 1&2 is just Corinthian 2&4? The New Testament is fulfilled with interpolations. I can be absolutely sure, but my lecturer of the Ancient Greek told me that the words of Christ to a crime 'You'll be in Heaven with me' is an interpolation of IX century. You can check different book to find more authority researchers on it. So, how way are you going to take the NT by itself to understanding I really don't know... Ok, if we're limited ourselves just on Bible, that why all the researches in Nature? We'd rather to go to caves, and live with candles and bonfires. Take a look at Paul's stories in Areopagh, the place where the Greeks are conversating with each other about some issues, he's been trying to explain the Greeks the life & Resurrection of Christ. And we can find many other verses on good opinion about improving things, making them better. And, as Diamond said in one of the threads (I don't remember exactly), that some places in Gospels as well as in Bible generally can't be explained even theologically by itself. All these places 30 coins, etc - are just meaning to external from Bible. I was beating my head trying to explain you that we couldn't understand many words and notions in Bible without external researches including historical analysis. If Bible would have everything in it, there would be no need in all these debates as well as any debates on it in general. Even "The Origins" of Euclidian, of Einsteins' works are discussible, but these books are less contradictional than Bible? Some places in Bible are horrible, and without studying it deeper we will have serious problems with the law, and will admire that Bible is the most extremist literature ever! Have a Psalms 136: 8-9: "blessed is he who will break the babes against the stone"; Exodus 10:20: "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go"; Mathews 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". Without external contexts it is empty. Either we go to study it harder, or we need to admire Bible as the most cruel literature that is needed to be banned. Don't agree on me Elizabeth, anyway I love you and dktrav88 too Well, Christianity began with Jesus right? And Jesus is in the bible teaching this religion. So from book of Matthew to book of Revelation we see Jesus teaching and the writers copying everything of the religion in the NT books. Then the middle of Christianity is now. After the NT was written. Now we must live by what was written And end of Christianity on planet Earth is when the Earth will be gone and all the Christians in heaven. This is how I see how it works basically. And Jesus used parables/stories and even had the writers make extra books to explain what He said in the gospels. So that's to say the bible is the only thing needed for teaching and stuff and it says it is. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. Exodus is Old Testament so that's Judaism. I won't really care too about books in OT because they're not Christianity. :(
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