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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 7:58:49 GMT
www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/johns-story-why-i-left-eastern-orthodoxy-for-evangelicalism/“I would have caved had I not begun reading the Bible the Baptists had given me,” John says with a smile. “As I began reading Scripture, I understood Jesus to be the only way to God. I realized I did not need the Orthodox church or even a priest to be my mediator, for Jesus was the mediator between me and the Father.” Though John does not use the term, it is clear from his testimony that he had acquired an unshakable belief in the Reformation doctrine of sola scriptura. “I realized that the Bible was the authority, even over the Church. The Bible was true, and the Church with all its traditions and rituals was wrong.” What do those who are members of the Orthodox Church think of this and the rest of what is said in the article?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 9:11:05 GMT
For a person with Irish roots to deal with Catholics this is common! Well, most of the people I've dealt with are evangelical protestants but I'm more familiar with Catholics because the culture or various cultures of the United States are derived from Western Europe and we have more experience with Catholicism, the pope and what not. I also knew and know a few Catholics and have an Italian American uncle who married into the family who is a very devout papist. They're nice people but I've never understood they're weird theology and why being plagued with pedophiles hiding in the priesthood they've never let their priests get married and why I would have to confess my sins to these weirdos or really any man who's sinned. Jesus is sinless, I'm confessing to him. I don't know a whole lot about the Orthodox church though. The problems of Catholics are only their problems! Shrug
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 9:13:07 GMT
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 21, 2018 9:13:32 GMT
Well, most of the people I've dealt with are evangelical protestants but I'm more familiar with Catholics because the culture or various cultures of the United States are derived from Western Europe and we have more experience with Catholicism, the pope and what not. I also knew and know a few Catholics and have an Italian American uncle who married into the family who is a very devout papist. They're nice people but I've never understood they're weird theology and why being plagued with pedophiles hiding in the priesthood they've never let their priests get married and why I would have to confess my sins to these weirdos or really any man who's sinned. Jesus is sinless, I'm confessing to him. I don't know a whole lot about the Orthodox church though. The problems of Catholics are only their problems! Yeah, but the Orthodox Church just seems like Byzantine Greek Catholics to me. I've read that their doctrine is almost identical.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 9:14:33 GMT
The saints in heaven are not angels Romans 8:27 KJV [27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV [5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Hebrews 8:6 KJV [6] But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. for in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but remain like the angels of God in heaven! Mt. 22:30 are “like” not are angels. It means we do not marry in heaven just like the angels don’t marry. That’s all it means. To say we are like angels in heaven in every fashion is to add to the word of God.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 9:18:17 GMT
The problems of Catholics are only their problems! Yeah, but the Orthodox Church just seems like Byzantine Greek Catholics to me. I've read that their doctrine is almost identical. This is because they belong to the historical churches! That is, those who started the work after the sermon of the apostles and their disciples! 4:11 -And he appointed some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers- Ephesians 4:11 God said that the gates of hell will not overwhelm his church ... it means that she was in ALL TIMES ... and then some Protestants think that the church appeared after the Reformation)))
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 9:22:44 GMT
What is the essence of the dialogue??? The fact that the not intelligent Romanian boy said that the Bible does not have prayers for the saints and went to the Baptists ... I clearly wrote where the Bible says about the veneration of the saints!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 9:24:56 GMT
www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/johns-story-why-i-left-eastern-orthodoxy-for-evangelicalism/“I would have caved had I not begun reading the Bible the Baptists had given me,” John says with a smile. “As I began reading Scripture, I understood Jesus to be the only way to God. I realized I did not need the Orthodox church or even a priest to be my mediator, for Jesus was the mediator between me and the Father.” Though John does not use the term, it is clear from his testimony that he had acquired an unshakable belief in the Reformation doctrine of sola scriptura. “I realized that the Bible was the authority, even over the Church. The Bible was true, and the Church with all its traditions and rituals was wrong.” What do those who are members of the Orthodox Church think of this and the rest of what is said in the article? It's very impressive. I think it's common. Nothing special. But I doubt at arguments of John, because he seems to be confused, rather than straight and follow in his conclusions. 'He realized', 'He found'... No. There's no contradiction between Fathers and Bible. Bible is the codex of books; it could be different taking into account many apocrifs, etc. Fathers are just sages explain the text. More metaphysics in teaching about the Good, or making rituals, so, yes, these points are little shaky.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 21, 2018 9:25:48 GMT
Yeah, but the Orthodox Church just seems like Byzantine Greek Catholics to me. I've read that their doctrine is almost identical. This is because they belong to the historical churches! That is, those who started the work after the sermon of the apostles and their disciples! 4:11 -And he appointed some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers- Ephesians 4:11 God said that the gates of hell will not overwhelm his church ... it means that she was in ALL TIMES ... and then some Protestants think that the church appeared after the Reformation)))Yeah, but I think all went south when it got hooked up with the Roman Empire. That's why there was a protestant reformation.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 9:25:51 GMT
Yeah, but the Orthodox Church just seems like Byzantine Greek Catholics to me. I've read that their doctrine is almost identical. This is because they belong to the historical churches! That is, those who started the work after the sermon of the apostles and their disciples! 4:11 -And he appointed some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers- Ephesians 4:11 God said that the gates of hell will not overwhelm his church ... it means that she was in ALL TIMES ... and then some Protestants think that the church appeared after the Reformation)))The church is not the authority. Period.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 9:30:26 GMT
www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/johns-story-why-i-left-eastern-orthodoxy-for-evangelicalism/“I would have caved had I not begun reading the Bible the Baptists had given me,” John says with a smile. “As I began reading Scripture, I understood Jesus to be the only way to God. I realized I did not need the Orthodox church or even a priest to be my mediator, for Jesus was the mediator between me and the Father.” Though John does not use the term, it is clear from his testimony that he had acquired an unshakable belief in the Reformation doctrine of sola scriptura. “I realized that the Bible was the authority, even over the Church. The Bible was true, and the Church with all its traditions and rituals was wrong.” What do those who are members of the Orthodox Church think of this and the rest of what is said in the article? It's very impressive. I think it's common. Nothing special. But I doubt at arguments of John, because he seems to be confused, rather than straight and follow in his conclusions. 'He realized', 'He found'... No. There's no contradiction between Fathers and Bible. Bible is the codex of books; it could be different taking into account many apocrifs, etc. Fathers are just sages explain the text. More metaphysics in teaching about the Good, or making rituals, so, yes, these points are little shaky. The church fathers are MEN and nothing more. They aren’t an authority. God’s Word is the ONLY authority.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 9:30:45 GMT
This is because they belong to the historical churches! That is, those who started the work after the sermon of the apostles and their disciples! 4:11 -And he appointed some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers- Ephesians 4:11 God said that the gates of hell will not overwhelm his church ... it means that she was in ALL TIMES ... and then some Protestants think that the church appeared after the Reformation)))Yeah, but I think all went south when it got hooked up with the Roman Empire. That's why there was a protestant reformation. just a Roman church fell into the heresy of the papacy .. it's just egoism of the leader of the Vatican! Luther raised the right questions but he did not have the material how to work correctly ... but the biggest problem is what teaching Calvin spread out! Already his biography says that he was a dubious person!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 21, 2018 9:35:14 GMT
Yeah, but I think all went south when it got hooked up with the Roman Empire. That's why there was a protestant reformation. just a Roman church fell into the heresy of the papacy .. it's just egoism of the leader of the Vatican! Luther raised the right questions but he did not have the material how to work correctly ... but the biggest problem is what teaching Calvin spread out! Already his biography says that he was a dubious person! Yeah, and John Calvin gave us the Puritans and thus... the Yankees (shutters).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 9:38:03 GMT
It's very impressive. I think it's common. Nothing special. But I doubt at arguments of John, because he seems to be confused, rather than straight and follow in his conclusions. 'He realized', 'He found'... No. There's no contradiction between Fathers and Bible. Bible is the codex of books; it could be different taking into account many apocrifs, etc. Fathers are just sages explain the text. More metaphysics in teaching about the Good, or making rituals, so, yes, these points are little shaky. The church fathers are MEN and nothing more. They aren’t an authority. God’s Word is the ONLY authority. Wasn't Jesus a man too? They were men, so what? You, me and everyone else are. According to Bible we're all His children, so we have elder brothers and sisters, they help us to understand. How would you interpretate parent's words without any help? We're all users of language that hasn't been build by us; all the notions are under historical circumstances, so there's no rex enter to everything by yourself. That's why the help is always needed. I agree that Bible has more authority (it's obvious). But, does it make any complication to get an advice from someone else on interpretation?.. I guess not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 9:40:05 GMT
This is because they belong to the historical churches! That is, those who started the work after the sermon of the apostles and their disciples! 4:11 -And he appointed some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers- Ephesians 4:11 God said that the gates of hell will not overwhelm his church ... it means that she was in ALL TIMES ... and then some Protestants think that the church appeared after the Reformation)))The church is not the authority. Period. The church is not the authority, but Jesus lives among two, three, or more people. The church is just a group of followers which is holding the same views. The problems are easy to solve together, not separately.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 9:42:17 GMT
The church is not the authority. Period. The church is not the authority, but Jesus lives among two, three, or more people. The church is just a group of followers which is holding the same views. The problems are easy to solve together, not separately. Jesus says that the one to whom the church does not have authority is like a pagan or tax collector! (Matthew 18: 15-17)
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