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Post by Ponderer on Feb 23, 2018 21:43:53 GMT
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us in knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:22). This statement in the Genesis account demonstrates the plurality, or Trinitarian nature of God. Notice the pronoun: “like one of Us”.
(The above I found on a Christian website)
Or is it that "Us" refers to God and his alter-ego Satan. God has mastery over the evil side of his nature and makes it his servant? Are we not just the same as God, having our evil side? But is it not true that many of us fail to control our evil side - which often controls us? Jesus was tempted by his evil side and overcame it?
Would this not explain the mixture of beauty and cruelty found throughout the natural world as well as our human world?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 12:59:29 GMT
Also, as per nordic mythologies, penned down by Snorri Sturulsson, all these mongrels were given rise by loki, their indo-european/icelandic lord Loki ate some of the heart, the thought-stone of a woman, roasted on a linden-wood fire, he found it half-cooked; Lopt was impregnated by a wicked woman, from whom every ogress on earth is descended.[36] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LokiAnd the sanskritic verse, where krsna/krasna talks about this degraded wombs of women bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-09-32.htmlAccording to me, satan is some form of human, and was a true devotee of GOD, but he might have turned greedy, and sinful, and left the path of righteousness. And then, started to give rise this materialistic cult.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 2, 2018 17:42:56 GMT
I won't argue with all of your statements, but erroneous statements need to be removed! If that's true why he's a Methodist, another Adventist, a third charismatic, and so forth? They all use only the Bible! Law of nature...without the true key the doors do not work! What? Some just go off a tangent I think Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 2, 2018 17:44:47 GMT
Also, as per nordic mythologies, penned down by Snorri Sturulsson, all these mongrels were given rise by loki, their indo-european/icelandic lord Loki ate some of the heart, the thought-stone of a woman, roasted on a linden-wood fire, he found it half-cooked; Lopt was impregnated by a wicked woman, from whom every ogress on earth is descended.[36] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LokiAnd the sanskritic verse, where krsna/krasna talks about this degraded wombs of women bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-09-32.htmlAccording to me, satan is some form of human, and was a true devotee of GOD, but he might have turned greedy, and sinful, and left the path of righteousness. And then, started to give rise this materialistic cult. He didn't eat my heart right? Sad you always said I was Loki's wife so wondering if it was a short life there for me Shrug
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Post by Etu Malku on Jul 2, 2018 20:36:07 GMT
The Bible defines and explains itself. You don’t use extra-biblical sources to define or explain the Bible, ever. Luke 10:18 KJV [18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Revelation 12:9 KJV [9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Isaiah 14:12 KJV [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Matthew 12:24-26 KJV [24] But when the Pharisees heard it , they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. [25] And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [26] And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? Christ is not Satan/Lucifer. I see ignorance is bliss in your world . . .
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Post by Etu Malku on Jul 2, 2018 20:49:19 GMT
The Bible defines and explains itself. No, the Christian bible (there are many other bibles other than Christian) explains itself by way of Circular Reasoning, by beginning with what it is trying to end with. That alone would be enough to discard this scripture as anything more than metaphor and poetry, but the tome has also been constructed well after the death of its avatar by numerous authors many of them with a political and of course religious agenda.
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Post by Etu Malku on Jul 2, 2018 20:52:24 GMT
Lucifer is an angel, a creation of God, and a completely separate entity from God. Where is this evidenced exactly?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 2, 2018 21:08:00 GMT
The Bible defines and explains itself. You don’t use extra-biblical sources to define or explain the Bible, ever. Luke 10:18 KJV [18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Revelation 12:9 KJV [9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Isaiah 14:12 KJV [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Matthew 12:24-26 KJV [24] But when the Pharisees heard it , they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. [25] And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [26] And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? Christ is not Satan/Lucifer. I see ignorance is bliss in your world . . . I wouldn’t expect any other statement from a Luciferian. Shriners believe the same as you shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 2, 2018 21:09:49 GMT
The Bible defines and explains itself. No, the Christian bible (there are many other bibles other than Christian) explains itself by way of Circular Reasoning, by beginning with what it is trying to end with. That alone would be enough to discard this scripture as anything more than metaphor and poetry, but the tome has also been constructed well after the death of its avatar by numerous authors many of them with a political and of course religious agenda. Opinions are just that, opinions
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 21:25:06 GMT
The Bible defines and explains itself. No, the Christian bible (there are many other bibles other than Christian) explains itself by way of Circular Reasoning, by beginning with what it is trying to end with. That alone would be enough to discard this scripture as anything more than metaphor and poetry, but the tome has also been constructed well after the death of its avatar by numerous authors many of them with a political and of course religious agenda. Bible followers absolutely careless toward this opinion. I said them tones of times that: "God is true, because it's in Bible, but Bible is the unit resource of this claim", but they would fire you on a fire set. Be careful, there's flame hot here. Let Devil bless you!
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Post by Etu Malku on Jul 2, 2018 23:48:38 GMT
I see ignorance is bliss in your world . . . Shriners believe the same as you No they don't, . . . where'd ya get that misinformation from?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 3, 2018 1:21:55 GMT
Shriners believe the same as you No they don't, . . . where'd ya get that misinformation from? It doesn’t matter. Devil worship is all the same.
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Post by theringdingster on Jul 3, 2018 4:20:51 GMT
Lucifer is an angel, a creation of God, and a completely separate entity from God. Where is this evidenced exactly? The evidence is as compiled by the Catechism of the Catholic Church: CCC 391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy. 266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil". 267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing." 268CCC 392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels. 269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God." 270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies". 271CCC 393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death." 272CCC 394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father. 273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." 274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God. CCC 395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him." 275
References: 266 Cf. Gen 3:1-5; Wis 2:24.
267 Cf Jn 8:44; Rev 12:9.
268 Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 800.
269 Cf. 2 Pet 2:4.
270 Gen 3:5.
271 1 Jn 3:8; Jn 8:44.
272 St. John Damascene, De Fide orth. 2,4: PG 94,877.
273 Jn 8:44; cf. Mt 4:1-11.
274 1 Jn 3:8.
275 Rom 8:28.
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Post by MEGA on Jul 3, 2018 4:33:15 GMT
3) Lucifer is anything other than a poetic device used by many authors symbolizing the Morning Star?
NO NO NOKing James Bible Isaiah 14:12 King James Version (KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isaiah 14:12 (NIV) How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! SATAN CHANGED THE NEW BIBLES TO DECEIVE YOU
Revelation 22:16 “ I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.JESUS CHRIST IS THE MORNING STAR!
Lucifer is nothing but a JOKE!
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Post by MEGA on Jul 3, 2018 5:40:57 GMT
*I JESUS … have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and Morning Star. (Revelation 22:16)
*Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it. (Num 23:20)
*He shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (Revelation 21: 7)
*I will declare the decree: the LORD has said unto me, You are my Son; this day have I begotten you. (Psalm 2:7)
*I have chosen , and ordained YOU . (John 15:16)
*Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but (a SWORD). (Matthew 10:34)
*Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. (Isaiah 42:1)
*Thou shalt break [them] with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. (Psalm 2:9)
*I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (Psalm 2:8)
*I will give him power over the nations. He shall rule [them] with a rod of iron even as I received of my Father.
*I will give him the morning star. (Revelation 2:26-28)
Jesus's Son is The New King
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 5:50:08 GMT
Also, as per nordic mythologies, penned down by Snorri Sturulsson, all these mongrels were given rise by loki, their indo-european/icelandic lord Loki ate some of the heart, the thought-stone of a woman, roasted on a linden-wood fire, he found it half-cooked; Lopt was impregnated by a wicked woman, from whom every ogress on earth is descended.[36] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LokiAnd the sanskritic verse, where krsna/krasna talks about this degraded wombs of women bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-09-32.htmlAccording to me, satan is some form of human, and was a true devotee of GOD, but he might have turned greedy, and sinful, and left the path of righteousness. And then, started to give rise this materialistic cult. He didn't eat my heart right? you always said I was Loki's wife so wondering if it was a short life there for me what if I say, I WAS LORD LOKI in my previous birth, and you were my WIFE Kidding, my WIFE of this LIFE will tear me into pieces.
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