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Post by Ponderer on Feb 23, 2018 21:43:53 GMT
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us in knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:22). This statement in the Genesis account demonstrates the plurality, or Trinitarian nature of God. Notice the pronoun: “like one of Us”.
(The above I found on a Christian website)
Or is it that "Us" refers to God and his alter-ego Satan. God has mastery over the evil side of his nature and makes it his servant? Are we not just the same as God, having our evil side? But is it not true that many of us fail to control our evil side - which often controls us? Jesus was tempted by his evil side and overcame it?
Would this not explain the mixture of beauty and cruelty found throughout the natural world as well as our human world?
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Post by Ponderer on Feb 23, 2018 23:06:24 GMT
Has this topic been locked???
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 23, 2018 23:19:12 GMT
This topic has already been discussed on the forum! God is one in three hypostases! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrinityThere can be no other explanation! In the original text stands the word "Elohim" which translates as "Gods"!
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Post by Ponderer on Feb 24, 2018 0:00:35 GMT
Please point me to where this has been discussed on the forum. Your wiki link does not discuss it and why can there be no other explanation?
Have I posted this on the right board? If not, I will gladly put it on the correct one. I have no wish to upset Christians.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 24, 2018 0:17:14 GMT
Us referes to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Or the Godhead/Trinity the bible mentions. Satan is his own singular being against 3 parts of God. How he things singular is stronger than plural is beyond me
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 24, 2018 1:33:56 GMT
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us in knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:22). This statement in the Genesis account demonstrates the plurality, or Trinitarian nature of God. Notice the pronoun: “like one of Us”. (The above I found on a Christian website) Or is it that "Us" refers to God and his alter-ego Satan. God has mastery over the evil side of his nature and makes it his servant? Are we not just the same as God, having our evil side? But is it not true that many of us fail to control our evil side - which often controls us? Jesus was tempted by his evil side and overcame it? Would this not explain the mixture of beauty and cruelty found throughout the natural world as well as our human world? "Us" is referring to the Holy Trinity; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Before Genesis 3:22, it says in Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:", this was before Satan is ever mentioned. Satan cannot create, he can only deceive. "Jesus was tempted by his evil side and overcame it?" No, Jesus was tempted by Satan, Jesus had no sin and no guile. He was God manifested in the flesh. Luke 4:2-13 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
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Post by Ponderer on Feb 24, 2018 1:34:43 GMT
"I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord do all these things." (Isaiah 45;6-7)
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 24, 2018 3:13:09 GMT
"I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord do all these things." (Isaiah 45;6-7) Yes, he made light (day) and darkness (night) Genesis Chapter 1 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And by His righteous judgement you can enter prosperity (life in heaven) or disaster (hell) depending if you seek prosperity or disaster James 4 11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Psalm 7:11-13 11 God is a just judge, And God is angry with the wicked every day. 12 If he does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready.
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Post by Ponderer on Feb 24, 2018 3:19:24 GMT
In effect then, God does good things and bad things. Let's be honest about it and not pass the buck.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 24, 2018 3:21:02 GMT
God only punishes the bad. Same as the judge does on earth. Sometimes the law here even shoots people to stop them. Are they doing evil? Nope
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Post by Ponderer on Feb 24, 2018 3:36:46 GMT
And are non-believers doing evil? Nope.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 24, 2018 5:39:01 GMT
And are non-believers doing evil? Nope. What is evil? All nonbelievers have their own definition of evil. As many definitions as people in the nonbelievers category. Who's right?
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Post by Ponderer on Feb 24, 2018 6:34:35 GMT
What is evil? For a start, the murder of innocents is evil:
Job's first family was destroyed. Did those people count for nothing? And who did the killing - Satan or God? Because if you read the account carefully, the wording is ambiguous on who actually did the deed - unless God and Satan are one.
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Post by misterdeath on Feb 24, 2018 6:51:36 GMT
If I can recall from my old catholic class, God ALOUD Satan to do such evils as a test upon Job to see how strong his faith in God is.
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Post by Ponderer on Feb 24, 2018 7:13:14 GMT
That's the standard understanding. Examine more carefully at the conversations between God and Satan and it's not so clear cut, is it?
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