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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 17, 2018 10:05:49 GMT
Are they? What do you think? Let's discuss.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 15, 2020 21:42:20 GMT
What is in the Scriptures? Both Catholics and Orthodoxians are Christian, as they believe that Christ rose from the dead. (Without this belief, says Paul, our faith would be in vain.) The Scriptures state that he rose. Well, I do not have the Greek text, but I remember the Latin text: "resurrexit non est hic" which can be taken in two ways:(1) "resurrexit, non est hic" (= he rose, he is not here), or (2) "resurrexit non, est hic" (= he did not rise, he is here). I know, the context and other statements favor interpretation # 1. If we go simply by what the Scriptures state, a comma makes the difference between a Christian and a non-Christian. No God Would Allow Clergy to Sin in His Name, So Religion Is a Play Station for the Hereditary Ruling Class
There were no commas in Latin or Ancient Greek. The text was in all capitals, with no spaces between the words: WITHNOSPACESBETWEENTHEWORDS. Can you explain why God wouldn't allow that or why He would?
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Post by KGrim on Feb 15, 2020 22:17:35 GMT
Elizabeth , So you're comparing Catholics and Orthodox to Satan and your cousin who's apparently a walking oxymoron. What I did there was prove that believing that Jesus rose from the dead is not important to the situation. Anyone can believe that and not be a Christian. He made it seem like to be a Christian then you must believe Christ rose. That's false. Fair enough.
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Post by KGrim on Feb 15, 2020 23:39:54 GMT
What I did there was prove that believing that Jesus rose from the dead is not important to the situation. Anyone can believe that and not be a Christian. He made it seem like to be a Christian then you must believe Christ rose. That's false. Fair enough. Well to be perfectly fair you kinda worded that argument wrong. Of course to be a Christian you must believe in the resurrection, but just because you believe in the resurrection doesn't mean that you're a Christian.
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Post by KGrim on Feb 16, 2020 0:01:40 GMT
Here's my two cents on whether Catholics are Christian or not. This also applies just as much as to whether or not Protestants are Christian or not. God gives each and every single one of us only so much light. Some he gives more light to than others. I firmly believe that we are judged according to the faithfulness of the light that we receive and that we are not judged according to our ignorance of the fullness of the truth unless, however, that ignorance is sinfully willful. Sincere Catholics are Christian, sincere Protestants are Christian, sincere Orthodox are Christian; the only ones that are not Christian are those to whom light was given, but they reject that light.
Remember that it was the Lord that said the sheep were the ones that fed Him when He was hungry, gave Him drink when He thirsted, clothed Him when He was naked, and visited Him when He was in prison. The goats were the ones who didn't and they are the ones who don't enter into the kingdom of heaven. This is not to say, either, that its our good deeds alone that get us into heaven, but rather that we should be very careful who we would label as a Christian or not. The person who you decide isn't a Christian may not have been given the same amount of light that you were given, but they may be more faithful to what little light they have more than you are to the great amount of light you received.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 16, 2020 1:46:49 GMT
Well to be perfectly fair you kinda worded that argument wrong. Of course to be a Christian you must believe in the resurrection, but just because you believe in the resurrection doesn't mean that you're a Christian. Exactly! Like it's only 1 requirement of being a Christian but that 1 requirement alone doesn't mean you're a Christian.
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Post by joustos on Feb 16, 2020 16:01:30 GMT
What is in the Scriptures? Both Catholics and Orthodoxians are Christian, as they believe that Christ rose from the dead. (Without this belief, says Paul, our faith would be in vain.) The Scriptures state that he rose. Well, I do not have the Greek text, but I remember the Latin text: "resurrexit non est hic" which can be taken in two ways:(1) "resurrexit, non est hic" (= he rose, he is not here), or (2) "resurrexit non, est hic" (= he did not rise, he is here). I know, the context and other statements favor interpretation # 1. If we go simply by what the Scriptures state, a comma makes the difference between a Christian and a non-Christian. No God Would Allow Clergy to Sin in His Name, So Religion Is a Play Station for the Hereditary Ruling Class
There were no commas in Latin or Ancient Greek. The text was in all capitals, with no spaces between the words: WITHNOSPACESBETWEENTHEWORDS. Right! So, the Latin version was "RESURREXITNONESTHIC" which, as I said, can be taken (by any reader) in two ways. The Scripture itself is ambiguous. The angel at the tomb may have said: He has not resurrected; he is here. If the angel did, then he implied that Jesus had been a false prophet. Speaking of false prophesies: Jesus the apocalyptic preacher said that the end of the world would come before the end of this generation. In actuality, many generations passed but the world did not end. He was a false prophet, but, in his defense, some of his followers say that the present generation is a millennium (rather than 33 years) and await the end (and the second coming of Jesus) every time a millennium ends. Breaking As two millennia have passed away, we who live today are going to miss the cataclysmic show that God is going to put on, as well as the second coming.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 16, 2020 20:29:23 GMT
Being a Christian is to love Jesus. Catholics use Jesus as a product, a merchandise. Love and sell are far away one from another. Love for sale is not love.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Feb 17, 2020 21:13:09 GMT
No God Would Allow Clergy to Sin in His Name, So Religion Is a Play Station for the Hereditary Ruling Class
There were no commas in Latin or Ancient Greek. The text was in all capitals, with no spaces between the words: WITHNOSPACESBETWEENTHEWORDS. Can you explain why God wouldn't allow that or why He would? Christians Have a Desperate Need to Feel Superior by an Irrational Association With an Imaginary PowerBecause it cheats believers out of being rewarded for their faith. This God of yours is a weakling and neglects His flock. Those who abuse their religious power are the ones who say don't blame God for this. No matter what excuse they give, doing evil In His Name is not about free will at all. If a religion is so easily manipulated, it cannot be divine at all.
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Post by KGrim on Feb 17, 2020 21:17:01 GMT
thesageofmainstreet , I'm not gonna argue with you like I argued with greatestiam. I'm just gonna say you're wrong and I'm gonna pray for you.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Feb 17, 2020 21:23:28 GMT
Here's my two cents on whether Catholics are Christian or not. This also applies just as much as to whether or not Protestants are Christian or not. God gives each and every single one of us only so much light. Some he gives more light to than others. I firmly believe that we are judged according to the faithfulness of the light that we receive and that we are not judged according to our ignorance of the fullness of the truth unless, however, that ignorance is sinfully willful. Sincere Catholics are Christian, sincere Protestants are Christian, sincere Orthodox are Christian; the only ones that are not Christian are those to whom light was given, but they reject that light. Remember that it was the Lord that said the sheep were the ones that fed Him when He was hungry, gave Him drink when He thirsted, clothed Him when He was naked, and visited Him when He was in prison. The goats were the ones who didn't and they are the ones who don't enter into the kingdom of heaven. This is not to say, either, that its our good deeds alone that get us into heaven, but rather that we should be very careful who we would label as a Christian or not. The person who you decide isn't a Christian may not have been given the same amount of light that you were given, but they may be more faithful to what little light they have more than you are to the great amount of light you received. These Petty Preachers Even Changed the Pronunciation of Latin Just to Be Anti-CatholicNo, sectarian hatred is consistent with the egoistic nastiness of a belief in an imaginary Supreme Power. That comes from the fanatic's association with his own power and the power of his particular sect. He feels even more powerful if he discredits and hates all other sects. Any God who allows this is no good at all.
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Post by KGrim on Feb 17, 2020 21:29:48 GMT
Here's my two cents on whether Catholics are Christian or not. This also applies just as much as to whether or not Protestants are Christian or not. God gives each and every single one of us only so much light. Some he gives more light to than others. I firmly believe that we are judged according to the faithfulness of the light that we receive and that we are not judged according to our ignorance of the fullness of the truth unless, however, that ignorance is sinfully willful. Sincere Catholics are Christian, sincere Protestants are Christian, sincere Orthodox are Christian; the only ones that are not Christian are those to whom light was given, but they reject that light. Remember that it was the Lord that said the sheep were the ones that fed Him when He was hungry, gave Him drink when He thirsted, clothed Him when He was naked, and visited Him when He was in prison. The goats were the ones who didn't and they are the ones who don't enter into the kingdom of heaven. This is not to say, either, that its our good deeds alone that get us into heaven, but rather that we should be very careful who we would label as a Christian or not. The person who you decide isn't a Christian may not have been given the same amount of light that you were given, but they may be more faithful to what little light they have more than you are to the great amount of light you received. These Petty Preachers Even Changed the Pronunciation of Latin Just to Be Anti-CatholicNo, sectarian hatred is consistent with the egoistic nastiness of a belief in an imaginary Supreme Power. That is associated with the fanatic's association with his own power and the power of his particular sect. He feels even more powerful if he discredits and hates all other sects. Any God who allows this is no good at all. Well that's like your opinion, man.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Feb 17, 2020 21:37:08 GMT
No God Would Allow Clergy to Sin in His Name, So Religion Is a Play Station for the Hereditary Ruling Class
There were no commas in Latin or Ancient Greek. The text was in all capitals, with no spaces between the words: WITHNOSPACESBETWEENTHEWORDS. Right! So, the Latin version was "RESURREXITNONESTHIC" which, as I said, can be taken (by any reader) in two ways. The Scripture itself is ambiguous. The angel at the tomb may have said: He has not resurrected; he is here. If the angel did, then he implied that Jesus had been a false prophet. Speaking of false prophesies: Jesus the apocalyptic preacher said that the end of the world would come before the end of this generation. In actuality, many generations passed but the world did not end. He was a false prophet, but, in his defense, some of his followers say that the present generation is a millennium (rather than 33 years) and await the end (and the second coming of Jesus) every time a millennium ends. Breaking As two millennia have passed away, we who live today are going to miss the cataclysmic show that God is going to put on, as well as the second coming. The Great Sign-Stealer in the SkyThe End Times are imminent. This first century of this millennium has already earned mass extinction by fire for breaking the 11th, 12th, and 13th Commandments: 11. Thy Red Sox shalt not win the World Series. 12. Thy Cubs shalt not even enter the pearly gates of the World Series. 13. Honor thy Yankees and thy Mets.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 18, 2020 6:30:39 GMT
Can you explain why God wouldn't allow that or why He would? Christians Have a Desperate Need to Feel Superior by an Irrational Association With an Imaginary PowerBecause it cheats believers out of being rewarded for their faith. This God of yours is a weakling and neglects His flock. Those who abuse their religious power are the ones who say don't blame God for this. No matter what excuse they give, doing evil In His Name is not about free will at all. If a religion is so easily manipulated, it cannot be divine at all. Christians are taught to feel humble not superior. Those doing evil in His name are a separate category and didn't belong to God. God says they have a special place reserved in hell. But why do you say believers get cheated out of their faith and get neglected? I think an enternity in heaven is their best reward.
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