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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 11, 2018 17:34:45 GMT
Maybe someone wants to discuss the Bible? Various interesting and not understandable places of scripture ... let's discuss here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 19:44:02 GMT
From the New International Version of the Bible:
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. - Matthew 16:21
They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.” And the disciples were filled with grief. - Matthew 17:23
Having in mind that Jesus was dead for three days and then resurrected, can anyone explain to me this verse?
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” - Luke 23:42=43
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 11, 2018 22:44:51 GMT
Διαμονδ do you plan to answer Romeo? Curious on your answer myself
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 11, 2018 22:57:46 GMT
From the New International Version of the Bible: From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. - Matthew 16:21 They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.” And the disciples were filled with grief. - Matthew 17:23 Having in mind that Jesus was dead for three days and then resurrected, can anyone explain to me this verse? Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” - Luke 23:42=43 According to the Christian tradition, that is, the knowledge that is not indicated in the Bible, but this is believed by all Christians ..Christ after death has gone to hell! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell He attacked hell and brought the right souls from the captivity of Satan to paradise! Among such souls was the soul of a robber! Then, after 3 days, he descended from his heaven into his body and was resurrected! In this picture, Christ gives his hand to Adam! Behind him stand the righteous of the Old Testament!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 11, 2018 23:01:05 GMT
Διαμονδ do you plan to answer Romeo? Curious on your answer myself You did not know the answer? Here, all users should discuss these questions! Well, who are interested of course!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:14:30 GMT
So he lied while on the cross?
Besides, didn't Jesus went to the Oblivion (Sheol/Hades) instead of Hell? I thought the souls will be judged at the final judgement, not after their death. I refer here to the Parousia.
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. - Revelation 20:13-15
Lake of fire = Hell. As you can see the Hades is not Hell, but a place were dead souls await for the second coming of Jesus for the final judgement.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 11, 2018 23:58:46 GMT
So he lied while on the cross? Besides, didn't Jesus went to the Oblivion (Sheol/Hades) instead of Hell? I thought the souls will be judged at the final judgement, not after their death. I refer here to the Parousia. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. - Revelation 20:13-15 Lake of fire = Hell. As you can see the Hades is not Hell, but a place were dead souls await for the second coming of Jesus for the final judgement. Hell is a temporary place for the souls of a sinner! No, he did not lie. He really gave a robber for life in heaven the same day! The lake of fire will be after a final judgement. ... there will be cast Satan with hell!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 0:08:25 GMT
You seem to confuse Hell with Purgatory.
If he was dead and visiting "Hell" as you say, then he lied, as he said the robber that he will be with him in the Paradise the very same day when in fact Jesus was not in Paradise.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2018 1:58:25 GMT
Διαμονδ do you plan to answer Romeo? Curious on your answer myself You did not know the answer? Here, all users should discuss these questions! Well, who are interested of course! I know the answer but thought we'd have different answers and we do have different answers. So rather you answer them in your thread
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2018 2:00:16 GMT
Hell is temporary? Almost what mormans believe since they do baptisms of dead people.
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Post by verity on Feb 12, 2018 2:11:16 GMT
There is no purgatory and "paradise" is heaven, not some compartment in hell. This is corroborated by 2 Corinthians 12:2-4:
"2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 12, 2018 8:11:15 GMT
You did not know the answer? Here, all users should discuss these questions! Well, who are interested of course! I know the answer but thought we'd have different answers and we do have different answers. So rather you answer them in your thread What different ? We must have ONE answer!
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2018 8:16:28 GMT
I know the answer but thought we'd have different answers and we do have different answers. So rather you answer them in your thread What different ? We must have ONE answer! You said hell is temporary and you confused Romeo and verity said you were wrong. If you're in hell you never leave it and as verity said there's no purgatory. So you confused us all In Matthew 25:46, Jesus said, "These shall go away into everlasting punishment but the righteous into eternal life."
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 12, 2018 8:21:32 GMT
What different ? We must have ONE answer! You said hell is temporary and you confused Romeo and verity said you were wrong. If you're in hell you never leave it and as verity said there's no purgatory. So you confused us all In Matthew 25:46, Jesus said, "These shall go away into everlasting punishment but the righteous into eternal life." Hell is temporary! In fact, hell is purgatory ..'And death and hell were thrown into Lake of Fire - this is Death Two and there is the Lake of Fire! "" (Rev.20: 13,14) As we see from the biblical text of the Scripture, hell (the place of sinners now) is not the same as the fiery lake that will be after the Judgment!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 12, 2018 8:25:11 GMT
I was talking about purgatory? No ... just purgatory is the medieval dogma of the Catholic Church!
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