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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2017 7:07:00 GMT
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Post by Yhamilitz on Nov 11, 2017 5:08:59 GMT
Well, we also can see that in Mexico the poor people (And also the Middle-High Class) seems to the religious. Inside the Middle-High Class, Religion had become an important way to establish familiar connections. You can also find irreligious people there but religion is still common in these spheres. We also need to consider that many private Catholic Schools seems to be common, and people who can afford it, pay for it. The middle class is the sector of people where you can find most of the secular people. The people who go to the USA, are mainly the religious ones. If I need to compare I can say that in Mexico, Religious remain mainly in the morals, and in the values, but not in work, academics, or in science. Something that in the USA could happen sometimes. I also need to say that protestants in Mexico are the ones who have a stronger religious opinion in their social lives. Something similar like some people do in the USA. PD: Mexican Catholics, may not bother you in a scientific topic, but if you talk shit about their believes, they will react. I believe that meanwhile people do not mess with other's believes (Or lack of it) there not should be problems.
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Post by Manul on Nov 11, 2017 10:13:25 GMT
People are weak, many need psychological support. Religion provides such psychological services like consolation & hope. Usually when people say that are non-believers they just replace one religion with another: communists pray to god "Lenin/Marx", liberals to god "Democracy/Liberalism" etc.. It's rare when the person truly an atheist, only the strongest can be. I believe in big piece of meat, when during hunting will catch the huge gopher
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 10:21:52 GMT
I don't believe in such man made kind of stuff. This is what Snorri Sturluson has said clearly
"As a historian and mythographer, Snorri is remarkable for proposing the hypothesis (in the Prose Edda) that mythological gods begin as human war leaders and kings whose funeral sites develop cults (see euhemerism). As people call upon the dead war leader as they go to battle, or the dead king as they face tribal hardship, they begin to venerate the figure. Eventually, the king or warrior is remembered only as a god. He also proposed that as tribes defeat others, they explain their victory by proposing that their own gods were in battle with the gods of the others."
And it is correct. The gods whom people worship were mainly war lords. But they were not into semites.
Man made religion mostly stem from semitic origins, and it is tool of imperialism.
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Post by Yhamilitz on Nov 13, 2017 23:41:58 GMT
Usually when people say that are non-believers they just replace one religion with another: communists pray to god "Lenin/Marx", liberals to god "Democracy/Liberalism" etc.. It's rare when the person truly an atheist, only the strongest can be. I believe in big piece of meat, when during hunting will catch the huge gopher I agree strongly on this.
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Post by johninsiam on Dec 17, 2017 20:03:59 GMT
Nietzsche talked about this a long time ago, although he really wasn't trying to be straightforward and easy to read. As I understand his point he thought people were outgrowing the explanations Christianity provides.
The problem was that science wouldn't replace those explanations, and people weren't aware of all of the functions religion was serving, since origins and afterlife stories were probably not the most functional parts. He predicted a crisis related to the gap, tied to an experience of meaning and foundation for morality. It seems like this is now happening. It's kind of a shame his work requires so much interpretation,that his style wasn't planner, but the ideas did filter into modern thinking indirectly.
It almost seems like going that far I might guess at if religion dead, which really is more or less a Nietzsche quote. Obviously some people are still going to buy in, so the question related to what about the rest. I think it's currently way too much work for someone to figure out the role religion played in underpinning culture, so a conscious replacement for received wisdom is problematic. To make that clearer psychology could replace learning things like a moral code through religious acceptance but it's a really long path. Studying ethics as philosophy is definitely not helpful; you get lost in speculation way before things ever get practical, so they never do.
I think it's common for people to mistake what science is teaching us now, to get the scope and function of all that wrong. It almost seems like an interim fill-in for religion could be useful, but I don't know what it would be. Truer self awareness is possible but it really is way too much work. To put an optimistic spin on that if enough of the right people did the work maybe it could become common, and could evolve as a much simpler form of received wisdom. I really am an optimist but that does seem a stretch. We're going to keep seeing odd forms of functional equivalents that aren't very functional. I certainly don't mean that as an insult to whatever anyone here thinks or follows; some diversity and experimentation seems good.
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Post by fschmidt on Dec 22, 2017 6:53:47 GMT
I have been attending my local mosque recently, even though I am not Muslim. I have decided to support Islam because it is the most promising alternative to modern degeneracy. And based on what I have seen, Islam is growing rapidly in the West. My local mosque gets converts from Christianity regularly. Christianity has lost its backbone, it no longer stands for very much. But Islam presents itself as a serious alternative, and this wins converts.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 22, 2017 9:13:27 GMT
I have been attending my local mosque recently, even though I am not Muslim. I have decided to support Islam because it is the most promising alternative to modern degeneracy. And based on what I have seen, Islam is growing rapidly in the West. My local mosque gets converts from Christianity regularly. Christianity has lost its backbone, it no longer stands for very much. But Islam presents itself as a serious alternative, and this wins converts. Do not you embarrasses the complex Islamic-Jewish relations?
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Post by fschmidt on Dec 22, 2017 9:19:45 GMT
Do not you embarrasses the complex Islamic-Jewish relations? Islam is a religion and jewish is a race. Muslims understand the difference between race and religon (better than Westerners do), and their main concern is religion. I detest Judaism, and that is good enough for them.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 22, 2017 9:46:54 GMT
Do not you embarrasses the complex Islamic-Jewish relations? Islam is a religion and jewish is a race. Muslims understand the difference between race and religon (better than Westerners do), and their main concern is religion. I detest Judaism, and that is good enough for them. What about Jerusalem? To whom does he belong? My opinion, it belongs to everyone who lives there and so it should stay on!
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Post by fschmidt on Dec 22, 2017 9:57:47 GMT
What about Jerusalem? To whom does he belong? My opinion, it belongs to everyone who lives there and so it should stay on! It isn't for me to decide what territory belongs to whom. This is decided by war/God. So for now, Jerusalem belongs to Israel. I had dinner a few days ago with someone from my mosque who asked me about this. I told him that the Muslims sound like a bunch of unhappy women nagging the world about Jerusalem, and that it sounds pathetic. I believe in "put up or shut up". The Muslims should stop complaining and start improving their military skills until they can beat Israel at war.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 10:04:27 GMT
Indians are most religious, but are backward
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 7:04:57 GMT
There was actually one person who was in a position to be the next Luther, but as this was during the Nazi rule, he subordinated himself to their influence. That man was the theologian Johannes Müller, who had an excellent take on the Sermon on the Mount. Any serious practicing Christian should give him a chance.
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Post by Supermentalita on Jan 12, 2018 10:57:17 GMT
Unfortunately yes...
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 12, 2018 14:16:05 GMT
Across the world the churches have been closing more and more. The faith is truly dying. What are your ideas on this? Phil Zuckerman “Religion Declining, Secularism Surging” Huffington Post, blogs, May 13, 2017 m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9889398 Sadly, It does seem that organized religious activity is diminishing today, although we must realize its decline is from the historically unprecedented highs of the middle 20th century. America, with the possible exception of the former religious colonies Massachusetts and Rhode Island, wasn’t particularly religious during its nascent period circa 1800, yet underwent a wave of revival beginning by 1830 and running into the 1950s. It’s a bit early to pronounce religion dead in this country.
Phil Zuckerman in the HuffPo of course celebrates Europe, where WWI nearly destroyed the established churches which had backed the nationalistic war fever of their countries, and American millennials, whom Zuckerman assumes totally secular even though spirituality, to flourish, need not depend on religion or on theism.Islam is a religion and jewish is a race. Muslims understand the difference between race and religon (better than Westerners do), and their main concern is religion. I detest Judaism, and that is good enough for them. Judaism is not a race any more than Islam is. Consider the black Jews of Ethiopia, some of whom have relocated to Israel. As the less charitable assumption, and inconsistent with your profile page, would be that you’re a neo-Nazi, I take it your distaste for Judaism stems from the long-running Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and to be fair, I don’t like the fact that the USA is in bed with AIPAC, the Israeli lobby in Washington. Zionist behavior since 1875 hasn’t been particularly honest. The Jews of Israel are, for the most part, one of this planet’s most fervently nationalistic identity groups, acting in self-interest with a ruthlessness atypical of Western countries since WWII.
However, we get a lot wrong about Judaism and Israel alike. First, not all Jews are pro-Israel. Most American Jews at minimum support Israel’s right to exist (as I do) yet many, particularly in the Reform congregations, find themselves disenchanted with its policies and its inability to further extricate itself from its Arab conflicts since 1978, when President Carter brokered peace between Israel’s Menachem Begin—former head of the terrorist group Irgun which had blown up the King David Hotel in 1946 but now sobered by bitter experience—and Egypt’s Anwar Sadat, who was assassinated in 1981 for his efforts.
The peace treaty endures today. Things have gone downhill, however, as Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 and Benyamin Netanyahu took over. Yet there are liberals in Israel, and the tiny country is a productive democracy, with Arab representatives in its Knesset.
You’re free to embrace Islam if you wish. That’s a right Western countries enjoy, yet absent from much of the world. We got it only after travails from Reformation to Thirty Years’ War to the World Wars, when the specter of nuclear weapons confronted the world’s nations. By 1961 the USSR’s Tsar Bomba had shattered windows in the town of Vorkuta, 500 miles from ground zero, and made a sound heard in Moscow.
Yet understand that you may inherit Islam’s medieval and modern baggage as a result. Arab lands labor under a crummy governance which under the Ottomans long predated the Western meddling they blame their situation on. The 9th century high point of Muslim civilization in al-Khwarizmi’s days of publishing al-Jabr: Calculation by Completion and Balance, the first statement of algebraic laws plus offering a solution to the quadratic equation, lay far in the past.AIPAC web site www.aipac.org/Falasha Jews of Ethiopia in the 1940s Commentary Magazine www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-black-jews-of-ethiopiaan-expedition-to-the-falashas/Tsar Bomba Atomic Heritage Foundation www.atomicheritage.org/history/tsar-bomba
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 12, 2018 15:28:18 GMT
Religion is dead, but the religion business is alive and well!
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