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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 17, 2018 14:39:17 GMT
The First Word in the Bible says Jesus Will Die on the Cross!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 9:55:55 GMT
No. This can't be. First words are 'beresheet bara elohim', that means 'in the beginning gods created'. In here we have 'gods' instead of 'a god'. Few wisers say that 'resheet' points to 'the wisdom'. But there's no crusifiction or Jesus. Jesus is just a name. It can be a link just in one case - sophiology one - if 'the wisdom' means 'son of god'. Job 28:28, Притчи 1:1-10, Paul's.. I don't remember exactly but there were about Jesus as wisdom. So, that's it. No crusifictions.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 19, 2018 15:22:40 GMT
No. This can't be. First words are 'beresheet bara elohim', that means 'in the beginning gods created'. In here we have 'gods' instead of 'a god'. Few wisers say that 'resheet' points to 'the wisdom'. But there's no crusifiction or Jesus. Jesus is just a name. It can be a link just in one case - sophiology one - if 'the wisdom' means 'son of god'. Job 28:28, Притчи 1:1-10, Paul's.. I don't remember exactly but there were about Jesus as wisdom. So, that's it. No crusifictions. Elohim is the plural! Why? According to many espertov eto hint of the Holy Trinity! In any case, the Bible has many hints of a hidden message in the text!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 16:12:41 GMT
No. This can't be. First words are 'beresheet bara elohim', that means 'in the beginning gods created'. In here we have 'gods' instead of 'a god'. Few wisers say that 'resheet' points to 'the wisdom'. But there's no crusifiction or Jesus. Jesus is just a name. It can be a link just in one case - sophiology one - if 'the wisdom' means 'son of god'. Job 28:28, Притчи 1:1-10, Paul's.. I don't remember exactly but there were about Jesus as wisdom. So, that's it. No crusifictions. Elohim is the plural! Why? According to many espertov eto hint of the Holy Trinity! In any case, the Bible has many hints of a hidden message in the text! Yes. Exactly. Elohim is the plural. I don't remember the main source of this... Короче, я точно не помню уже источников из которых я почерпнул это, но насколько мне известно, это не является чем-то особенным. Действительно, "элохим" переводится как "боги". Причем, в Бытии неоднократно такое упоминается. Вернее, в некоторых местах пишется "бог" в некоторых "боги". Да, много скрыто в Библии. Но я бы сказал, что и в Иллиаде и Одиссее, и еще можно сказать, что у Платона, Аристотеля, или например, Фукидида или Геродота... короче - почти у всех древних авторов мы можем найти кучу интересных вещей. Но объясняется это, на мой взгляд, отнюдь не тем, что у них что-то "скрыто", а просто потому, что это "скрытое" - это хорошо забытое старое ))) (как в пословице).
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2018 21:34:12 GMT
How? English first word: In Russian first word: B (means in) Ukrainian first word: Ha (means on)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 22:10:07 GMT
How? English first word: In Russian first word: B (means in) Ukrainian first word: Ha (means on) Please, excuse me, Elizabeth, but I didn't understand what exactly you were asking about?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2018 23:01:14 GMT
How? English first word: In Russian first word: B (means in) Ukrainian first word: Ha (means on) Please, excuse me, Elizabeth, but I didn't understand what exactly you were asking about? Diamond said the first word in the bible means Jesus will die on the cross. So I listed the first word in all 3 languages. How does it mean He will die on the cross? In, B, and Ha is a small and almost meaningless word.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 23:20:42 GMT
Please, excuse me, Elizabeth, but I didn't understand what exactly you were asking about? Diamond said the first word in the bible means Jesus will die on the cross. So I listed the first word in all 3 languages. How does it mean He will die on the cross? In, B, and Ha is a small and almost meaningless word. ...Now I get it! But there's no link to 'Jesus will die on the cross', honestly. There's a link to 'resheet' that means 'to be wisdom'. And the latter could be a link to 'the Wisdom' as 'Jesus'. So, putting all together it would be utter as 'by the Wisdom Gods created the Sky and the Earth'. It is a strongly Arian meaning though (Arian here is a teachings of the famous person named Arian).
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2018 23:44:11 GMT
Diamond said the first word in the bible means Jesus will die on the cross. So I listed the first word in all 3 languages. How does it mean He will die on the cross? In, B, and Ha is a small and almost meaningless word. ...Now I get it! But there's no link to 'Jesus will die on the cross', honestly. There's a link to 'resheet' that means 'to be wisdom'. And the latter could be a link to 'the Wisdom' as 'Jesus'. So, putting all together it would be utter as 'by the Wisdom Gods created the Sky and the Earth'. It is a strongly Arian meaning though (Arian here is a teachings of the famous person named Arian). I agree. It speaks of Trinity right on the beginning.. Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;..." Our/Us=multiple or will say "my/me" instead Multiple=Trinity God
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 19, 2018 23:49:00 GMT
The first word in the Bible in the original language is -bereshit-! It is in him that there is a hidden meaning see the video!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 19, 2018 23:49:55 GMT
Elohim is the plural! Why? According to many espertov eto hint of the Holy Trinity! In any case, the Bible has many hints of a hidden message in the text! Yes. Exactly. Elohim is the plural. I don't remember the main source of this... Короче, я точно не помню уже источников из которых я почерпнул это, но насколько мне известно, это не является чем-то особенным. Действительно, "элохим" переводится как "боги". Причем, в Бытии неоднократно такое упоминается. Вернее, в некоторых местах пишется "бог" в некоторых "боги". Да, много скрыто в Библии. Но я бы сказал, что и в Иллиаде и Одиссее, и еще можно сказать, что у Платона, Аристотеля, или например, Фукидида или Геродота... короче - почти у всех древних авторов мы можем найти кучу интересных вещей. Но объясняется это, на мой взгляд, отнюдь не тем, что у них что-то "скрыто", а просто потому, что это "скрытое" - это хорошо забытое старое ))) (как в пословице). The Bible is a message from God! Unusual literature!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2018 23:53:42 GMT
The first word in the Bible in the original language is -bereshit-! It is in him that there is a hidden meaning see the video! I saw it but...I don't know what to make of it. Hmm
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 20, 2018 0:25:34 GMT
Nothing is impossible for God! "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." The Book of the Prophet Daniel, 12,4.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 7:53:45 GMT
Elizabeth and Diamond, you know I love you very much! Even if I've never seen you in the real life I consider you both as my friends!!
But I have to say that you wrong here discussing about the beginning of Bible.
I graduated Orthodox Seminary at Kharkov (it was the place where Skovoroda'd been a teacher of Rhetoric), and I'd been visiting the Church as ponomar - an altar servant - for 14 years. So, I add this information because I want you to know that my words are not empty.
I think you wrong just because you supple too much to the God. Even if God were a person (or persons) you described, it would hard to believe that He made so much different and ununderstandable affairs, I mean - coding Bible, aranging circumstances for right translations, or vice versa - confusing readers. So I don't believe that the beginning or ther parts of Bible are 'Da Vinci code' or something like that.
Moreover, why should we use such hermeneutics to it? For why? You've got Jesus' words, what more do you need? Love you nigher and God and don't bother of everything else!
Thank you, and forgive me if I offended you.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 20, 2018 8:06:23 GMT
Elizabeth and Diamond, you know I love you very much! Even if I've never seen you in the real life I consider you both as my friends!! We love you too! Yes! Love your neighbor and God are the most important commandments
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