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Post by Supermentalita on Jan 12, 2018 14:05:35 GMT
The Holy Apostle Timon was one of the seven deacons appointed by the Apostles (Acts 6:5) to minister to destitute Christian widows. Later, he was chosen bishop of the city of Bosra in Syria, where he led many to Christianity. He was thrown into a red-hot furnace and received the crown of martyrdom. He is also commemorated on July 28).
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 13, 2018 3:37:23 GMT
I had to look him up in acts since he isn't as well known disciple as the main 11 disciples. I don't really go off by what happened to people apart from the bible so will be skeptical of his bio. However, disciples of Jesus do get persecuted a lot and even to the point of death so that story seems plausable.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 13, 2018 16:23:45 GMT
skeptical? This is the serious problem of Protestants! Apostle Timon - one of the 70 disciples of Christ! and chose Stefan, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prokhor, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenus, and Nicholas of Antioch, converted from the Gentiles.— - Acts. 6: 1-5(Деян. 6:1-5) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy_disciplesI know that Protestants are skeptical of the traditions of the Church and refer only to the Scriptures! Not forget the simple fact that the full canonical text of the Bible was collected by the same Fathers of the Church as the Tradition! Nonsense trust in one and refute the other!
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 13, 2018 22:08:04 GMT
...and chose Stefan, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prokhor, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenus, and Nicholas of Antioch, converted from the Gentiles (Acts. 6: 1-5 = Деян. 6:1-5)...I know that Protestants are skeptical of the traditions of the Church and refer only to the Scriptures! Depends on which Protestants. Episcopalians in the USA are politically very liberal, yet observe much tradition in their churchhouses as they belong to an Anglican Communion which broke from Rome only because England’s King Henry VIII wanted a second divorce the pope wouldn’t grant him after he’d already allowed him to divorce Catharine of Aragon. Then he accused his second wife, Anne Boleyn, of adultery and had her beheaded.
The newly independent archbishop of Canterbury accepted some, but not all, of Calvin’s lines of thought. In particular, the monarch was now titular head of the church. While only scripture can support pillars of basic doctrine, tradition weighs a great deal when it comes to rite, the manner in which congregants approach God. This is the denomination I belong to.
Today, it has little to do with Henry. We no longer deny the validity of Roman Catholic and Orthodox belief, even if we may not subscribe to it, or, for that matter, the beliefs of foreign religions, which we also respect but don’t follow. The mission of the church in the early centuries was to get the message out to the world. Now that most of the world has full access to the gospel, we think pastoral care of the poor, the social gospel, a more urgent mission goal. Climate change activism is also preached.
As sinners, we go to the kneeler on Sunday. At midweek we hold a luncheon with the scruffy, smelly souls American society casts into the gutters. The bell rings for prayer every morning, 365 days a year, although I don’t go every day. The kneeler figures here as well. Without a prayer life (1 Thessalonians 5:17) and without works (James 2:20), faith is dead.
The seven men you listed in Acts 6 were selected to wait tables, to feed the widows the Hebrews would not assist. Who are citizens of the kingdom of God? Little children (Mark 10:14). This tells me God wants us to discard arrogance and acquire humility (Matthew 18:3).
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 13, 2018 23:07:45 GMT
skeptical? This is the serious problem of Protestants! Apostle Timon - one of the 70 disciples of Christ! and chose Stefan, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prokhor, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenus, and Nicholas of Antioch, converted from the Gentiles.— - Acts. 6: 1-5(Деян. 6:1-5) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy_disciplesI know that Protestants are skeptical of the traditions of the Church and refer only to the Scriptures! Not forget the simple fact that the full canonical text of the Bible was collected by the same Fathers of the Church as the Tradition! Nonsense trust in one and refute the other! Well because only scripture makes a person righteous and only scripture is supposed to be used in teaching christianity so that's why bible says to use it. Nothing more! Jesus has more than 70 disciples though. Hmm... 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 13, 2018 23:21:23 GMT
skeptical? This is the serious problem of Protestants! Apostle Timon - one of the 70 disciples of Christ! and chose Stefan, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prokhor, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenus, and Nicholas of Antioch, converted from the Gentiles.— - Acts. 6: 1-5(Деян. 6:1-5) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy_disciplesI know that Protestants are skeptical of the traditions of the Church and refer only to the Scriptures! Not forget the simple fact that the full canonical text of the Bible was collected by the same Fathers of the Church as the Tradition! Nonsense trust in one and refute the other! Well because only scripture makes a person righteous and only scripture is supposed to be used in teaching christianity so that's why bible says to use it. Nothing more! Jesus has more than 70 disciples though. Hmm... 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness. More than 500 pupils to whom he appeared before leaving! As the Amenemkhab writes, not all Protestants refute Traditions and it's good! Because: Now, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions by which you are taught, either by word or by our message" (2 Thessalonians 2: 15); "I praise you, brethren, that you all remember me and hold on to the tradition as I told you. For I received from the Lord Himself that which I also gave to you "(1 Corinthians 11: 2, 23). In the Holy Scripture, the Apostle John writes: "I have much to write to you, but I do not want ink on paper; but I hope to come to you and speak with your mouth to your mouth, that your joy may be full "(2 John 12). In the last verse of his Gospel, ap. John the Evangelist writes: "Many other things Jesus did; but if I wrote about it in detail, then, I think, the world itself could not accommodate written books. Amen "(John 21:25) Anyway, the authors of the modern Biblical canon knew the Traditions! Whatever it is, you can not take one from God, and refute the other! Is it dangerous!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 13, 2018 23:56:14 GMT
Well because only scripture makes a person righteous and only scripture is supposed to be used in teaching christianity so that's why bible says to use it. Nothing more! Jesus has more than 70 disciples though. Hmm... 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness. More than 500 pupils to whom he appeared before leaving! As the Amenemkhab writes, not all Protestants refute Traditions and it's good! Because: Now, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions by which you are taught, either by word or by our message" (2 Thessalonians 2: 15); "I praise you, brethren, that you all remember me and hold on to the tradition as I told you. For I received from the Lord Himself that which I also gave to you "(1 Corinthians 11: 2, 23). In the Holy Scripture, the Apostle John writes: "I have much to write to you, but I do not want ink on paper; but I hope to come to you and speak with your mouth to your mouth, that your joy may be full "(2 John 12). In the last verse of his Gospel, ap. John the Evangelist writes: "Many other things Jesus did; but if I wrote about it in detail, then, I think, the world itself could not accommodate written books. Amen "(John 21:25) Anyway, the authors of the modern Biblical canon knew the Traditions! Whatever it is, you can not take one from God, and refute the other! Is it dangerous!Yes, the traditions are in the bible and we follow them too . Like blessing of the children that Jesus thought and Mary and Joseph did with baby Jesus and traditions about dressing modestly and stuff that the bible says we do it
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 14, 2018 0:02:04 GMT
Those traditions about which I write - are general to the history of Christianity! Well, it's more a question for the theologians. And this is quite a serious question! In the Bible, there are hints!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 14, 2018 0:24:49 GMT
Those traditions about which I write - are general to the history of Christianity! Well, it's more a question for the theologians. And this is quite a serious question! In the Bible, there are hints! This is a problem though. When it isn't from the bible we get popes who practice tradition to sexually abuse people, we get the rosary, we get mormon traditions...and all these are church traditions but not biblical and that's a problem. Jesus said not to put tradition before the bible. Matthew chapter 15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? Jesus was AGAINST the traditions.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 14, 2018 0:36:57 GMT
Those traditions about which I write - are general to the history of Christianity! Well, it's more a question for the theologians. And this is quite a serious question! In the Bible, there are hints! This is a problem though. When it isn't from the bible we get popes who practice tradition to sexually abuse people, we get the rosary, we get mormon traditions...and all these are church traditions but not biblical and that's a problem. Jesus said not to put tradition before the bible. Matthew chapter 15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? Jesus was AGAINST the traditions. He was against the Pharisees the Talmudic traditions! This grew to Judaism! Baptists recognize the symbol of Faith! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed It was designed by people who are FOR tradition!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 14, 2018 0:53:15 GMT
This is a problem though. When it isn't from the bible we get popes who practice tradition to sexually abuse people, we get the rosary, we get mormon traditions...and all these are church traditions but not biblical and that's a problem. Jesus said not to put tradition before the bible. Matthew chapter 15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? Jesus was AGAINST the traditions. He was against the Pharisees the Talmudic traditions! This grew to Judaism! Baptists recognize the symbol of Faith! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed It was designed by people who are FOR tradition! He was against all traditions that aren't in the bible. Jesus came ONLY to fulfill the law and the prophets. He didn't come to fulfill traditions at all.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 14, 2018 0:58:51 GMT
In Orthodox theology, Holy Tradition is the inspired revelation of God and catholic teaching (Greek katholikos, "according to the whole") of the Church, not an independent source of dogmatic authority to be regarded as a supplement to biblical revelation. Tradition is rather understood as the fullness of divine truth proclaimed in the scriptures, preserved by the apostolic bishops and expressed in the life of the Church through such things as the Divine Liturgy and the Holy Mysteries (Eucharist, baptism, marriage, etc.), the Creed and other doctrinal definitions of the Seven Ecumenical Councils, canonical Christian iconography, and the sanctified lives of godly men and women.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 14, 2018 1:50:32 GMT
But if something isn't written in the bible then it is independent of the bible on all accounts.
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 14, 2018 5:35:01 GMT
Well because only scripture makes a person righteous and only scripture is supposed to be used in teaching Christianity so that's why bible says to use it. “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10).Yes, the traditions are in the bible and we follow them too. Does anyone follow the scripture, “Women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law also says” (1 Corinthians 14:34).
Why not? It’s in the bible. That’s why we have church traditions. The New Testament is now 2000 years old, some of it poorly understood because its Greek koine language is no longer spoken, and we no longer organize our knowledge of the world the way people did back then, not to mention the vast hike of information over the interval, in the sciences, in ethics and morality.
God gifted us mental faculties of judgment, to know right from wrong, to know how the bible should apply in light of changing information. He trusts us to use it. Of course, tradition must be compared against scripture for consonance. If a new church practice, say the introduction of an idol, money, as seen in the “prosperity gospel,” is clearly unscriptural, then the congregation must reject it. What we need is balance, with great, but not unqualified, weight placed on the written witnesses of antiquity.2 Timothy 3:16: All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness. As Amenemhab writes, not all Protestants refute Traditions and it's good! Because: Now, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions by which you are taught, either by word or by our message" (2 Thessalonians 2: 15)...Many other things Jesus did; but if I wrote about it in detail, then, I think, the world itself could not accommodate written books(John 21:25). We have a church institution for a reason, as Jesus ordained (Matthew 16:18), although he didn’t establish it himself, nor do I suspect that, while living as a mortal man, he anticipated it as more than a branch of the Judaism he’d grown up and conducted his ministry in. This institution would be entrusted with prescribing the order of worship,.
Yet even those churches that consider tradition authoritative alongside scripture acknowledge the fundamental importance of scripture. We need our biblical scholarship, to be sure the documents are preserved in their original languages and translated accurately. The bible is a holy book. Again, we need balance: the institutional memory preserved by the bishops and deacons, and the written record of our scriptures. We can’t dispense with either.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 14, 2018 7:07:39 GMT
There is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10). Yes no one was righteous always so Jesus had to die on the cross to give us a chase to become righteous again. Abraham was called righteous before, Joseph the husband of Mary was called righteous before, etc. We have to live righteously since bible says so many times. Or as Matthew 5:48 says... Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Yes, women in my church cannot cannot give sermons and must sit down and only listen to them or tend to children. Nor are we allowed to lead in church as pastors or anything. Why not? Because Jesus didn't care for the traditions religious people observed. He only cared if the bible was observed. Ok fair enough but tradition is not biblical law so it isn't required and should absolutely be removed if not according to scripture.
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