Supermentalita
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Post by Supermentalita on Jan 11, 2018 7:47:43 GMT
4,000 Holy Infants were killed by King Herod in Bethlehem. When the time came for the Incarnation of the Son of God and His Birth of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, Magi in the East beheld a new star in the heavens, foretelling the Nativity of the King of the Jews. They journeyed immediately to Jerusalem to worship the Child, and the star showed them the way. Having worshipped the divine Infant, they did not return to Jerusalem to Herod, as he had ordered them, but being warned by God in a dream, they went back to their country by another way. Herod finally realized that his scheme to find the Child would not be successful, and he ordered that all the male children two years old and younger at Bethlehem and its surroundings be killed. He thought that the divine Infant, Whom he considered a rival, would be among the dead children. The murdered infants thus became the first martyrs for Christ. The rage of Herod fell also on Simeon the God-Receiver (February 3), who declared before everyone in the Temple that the Messiah had been born. When the holy Elder died, Herod would not give permission for him to be properly buried. On the orders of King Herod, the holy prophet and priest Zachariah was also killed. He was murdered in Jerusalem between the Temple and the altar (Mt. 23:35) because he would not tell the whereabouts of his son John, the future Baptist of the Lord Jesus Christ. The wrath of God soon fell upon Herod himself: a horrid condition struck him down and he died, eaten by worms while still alive. Before his death, the impious king murdered the chief priests and scribes of the Jews, and also his brother, and his sister and her husband, and also his own wife Mariam, and three of his sons, and seventy men of wisdom who were members of the Sanhedrin. He initiated this bloodbath so that the day of his death would not be one of rejoicing, but one of mourning.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 11, 2018 8:38:01 GMT
In the Orthodox tradition it is believed that these children were baptized by their martyrdom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 10:56:58 GMT
Is this information trusted? I mean the babies really were killed by Herod?
What historical sources of this case do we know? Are there any?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 21, 2018 2:18:53 GMT
Herod is pure scum. What person kills innocent little babies? Luckily as my religion believes babies automatically go to heaven since they were too young to understand right from wrong to be judged for any of their actions like hurting a sibling with a toy or whatever. But this situation was like during Moses' time when they killed innocent baby boys. Cruel world.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 21, 2018 2:26:55 GMT
Is this information trusted? I mean the babies really were killed by Herod? What historical sources of this case do we know? Are there any? Keep in mind that human sacrifices happened a lot in the past. Judaism for example did it and the Mayan civilization did human sacrifice among others. Rulers or people of the past did it often. Any surely if a ruler like a pharoah or something thought his thrown was being threated then surely they'd kill anyone. All they did in the past is send out a degree and it had to be followed or ruler made sure people were killed if they didn't obey his law.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 21, 2018 16:02:41 GMT
Is this information trusted? I mean the babies really were killed by Herod? What historical sources of this case do we know? Are there any? diletant.media/articles/38576266/ Вот тут почитай! Все что нам известно об этом..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 2:50:09 GMT
Is this information trusted? I mean the babies really were killed by Herod? What historical sources of this case do we know? Are there any? Keep in mind that human sacrifices happened a lot in the past. Judaism for example did it and the Mayan civilization did human sacrifice among others. Rulers or people of the past did it often. Any surely if a ruler like a pharoah or something thought his thrown was being threated then surely they'd kill anyone. All they did in the past is send out a degree and it had to be followed or ruler made sure people were killed if they didn't obey his law. Yes, it seems a solid argument, but it doesn't make the statement, 'bout killing children by Herod, truth, just increase its possibility. Herod could be a good man, we didn't know for sure. Untill the lack of material or scriptural sources aren't presented, we can maintain this episode as a legend.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 2:56:13 GMT
Is this information trusted? I mean the babies really were killed by Herod? What historical sources of this case do we know? Are there any? diletant.media/articles/38576266/ Вот тут почитай! Все что нам известно об этом.. Благодарю за статью! В ней отсутствуют важные для исторических исследований выводы. Сайт также не внушает особого доверия. Впрочем, это мелочи. Информация та немного прояснила некоторые мои мысли. Однако, я настаиваю на фактах, как на надежном источнике для рассуждений. Отсутствие фактов позволяет строить предположения, которые зависят, прежде всего, от фантазии, а последней, как известно, не место в науке.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 2, 2018 7:33:55 GMT
Благодарю за статью! В ней отсутствуют важные для исторических исследований выводы. Сайт также не внушает особого доверия. Впрочем, это мелочи. Информация та немного прояснила некоторые мои мысли. Однако, я настаиваю на фактах, как на надежном источнике для рассуждений. Отсутствие фактов позволяет строить предположения, которые зависят, прежде всего, от фантазии, а последней, как известно, не место в науке. All that is known about King Herod, from history, that he was a tough ruler who killed his competitors!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 11:24:19 GMT
Благодарю за статью! В ней отсутствуют важные для исторических исследований выводы. Сайт также не внушает особого доверия. Впрочем, это мелочи. Информация та немного прояснила некоторые мои мысли. Однако, я настаиваю на фактах, как на надежном источнике для рассуждений. Отсутствие фактов позволяет строить предположения, которые зависят, прежде всего, от фантазии, а последней, как известно, не место в науке. All that is known about King Herod, from history, that he was a tough ruler who killed his competitors! There are plenty of tough rulers in the past and most of them were killers. And this information still doesn't prove the angriness of Herod. In the past, people could accept such killings. Vision through our culture minds barrier our understaning of the past. But, believe me, I don't want to apoligize Herod or someone else, but I insist on permise - 'we can't blame persons in the past', we can judge actions regardless of the iniciator's name. So, our past is sacred. It can't be changed. Untill we'll be able to change past - we can't judge it.
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