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Post by Lone Wanderer on Dec 24, 2017 17:54:39 GMT
Source: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:RacismIbn Khaldun
"Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated."
"beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."
Ibn Sina or Avicenna
"[Blacks are] people who are by their very nature slaves. "
Ibn Qutaybah
"[Blacks] are ugly and misshapen, because they live in a hot country."
Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī
"If (all types of men) are taken, from the first, and one placed after another, like the Negro from Zanzibar, in the Southern-most countries, the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except the fact that his hands have been lifted from the earth -in no other peculiarity or property - except for what God wished. Many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the Negro, and more intelligent."
"[The Zanj (African) differ from animals only in that] their two hands are lifted above the ground,... Many have observed that the ape is more teachable and more intelligent than the Zanj. "
Al-Muqaddasi
"Of the neighbors of the Bujja, Maqdisi had heard that "there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father, and they eat people -- but God knows best. As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence."
Al-Masudi
"Galen says that merriment dominates the black man because of his defective brain, whence also the weakness of his intelligence."
Ibn al-Faqih
"A man of discernment said: The people of Iraq ... do not come out with something between blonde, buff and blanched coloring, such as the infants dropped from the wombs of the women of the Slavs and others of similar light complexion; nor are they overdone in the womb until they are burned, so that the child comes out something between black, murky, malodorous, stinking, and crinkly-haired, with uneven limbs, deficient minds, and depraved passions, such as the Zanj, the Somali, and other blacks who resemble them. The Iraqis are neither half-baked dough nor burned crust but between the two."
Abu Rayhan al-Biruni
"The Zanj are so uncivilized that they have no notion of a natural death. If a man dies a natural death, they think he was poisoned. Every death is suspicious with them, if a man has not been killed by a weapon."
Hudud al-`Alam is a book dedicated to Abu l-Ḥārith Muḥammad b. Aḥmad, a ruler of the local Farighunid dynasty. "Their [Zanj] nature is that of wild animals. They are extremely black." "Among themselves [the Sudan] there are people who steal each other's children and sell them to the merchants when the latter arrive." "[inhabitants of sub-Saharan African countries] are people distant from the standards of humanity" "Their nature is that of wild animals..." "As regards southern countries, all their inhabitants are black on account of the heat of their climate... Most of them go naked... In all their lands and provinces, gold is found.... They are people distant from the standards of humanity." Al Jahiz"Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj [African Blacks] for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament." "We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of actions." "They [the Shu`ubiyya] maintain that eloquence is prized by all people at all times - even the Zanj, despite their dimness, their boundless stupidity, their obtuseness, their crude perceptions and their evil dispositions, make long speeches." Ibn Abi ZaydIt is disliked to trade in the land of the enemy or the land of the blacks. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Travel is a portion of punishment."
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 24, 2017 20:35:18 GMT
...scholars?
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Dec 24, 2017 20:44:29 GMT
Yes, you don'r know Avicenna? Biruni and Tusi are famous too.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 24, 2017 20:50:29 GMT
Yes, you don'r know Avicenna? Biruni and Tusi are famous too. No. Famous people don't live under rocks :/
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Dec 24, 2017 20:58:12 GMT
Yes, you don'r know Avicenna? Biruni and Tusi are famous too. No. Famous people don't live under rocks :/ Anyway, read their quotes. Some of them are very offensive. Slave trading was very popular among the Muslims. It's one of the reasons why Sub-Saharan African admixture is noticeable in Middle East.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 24, 2017 21:06:25 GMT
No. Famous people don't live under rocks :/ Anyway, read their quotes. Some of them are very offensive. Slave trading was very popular among the Muslims. It's one of the reasons why Sub-Saharan African admixture is noticeable in Middle East. Yes, I meant how are they scholars saying such bad things?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 21:10:20 GMT
Anyway, read their quotes. Some of them are very offensive. Slave trading was very popular among the Muslims. It's one of the reasons why Sub-Saharan African admixture is noticeable in Middle East. Yes, I meant how are they scholars saying such bad things? In the olden days there were no Geneve convetion, human rights movements, transgender lobby etc
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Dec 24, 2017 21:12:45 GMT
Anyway, read their quotes. Some of them are very offensive. Slave trading was very popular among the Muslims. It's one of the reasons why Sub-Saharan African admixture is noticeable in Middle East. Yes, I meant how are they scholars saying such bad things? Well, they were medieval people and those quotes are not strange. Plus it was not limited to the Muslims. You know how White Americans viewed the Blacks before 1960-1970s. For example, just google racist animations.
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Post by fschmidt on Dec 24, 2017 21:13:06 GMT
Which of these quotes is from the Quran?
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 24, 2017 21:20:43 GMT
Yes, I meant how are they scholars saying such bad things? In the olden days there were no Geneve convetion, Don't know what this is. These guys...some new species. Unhealthy for society. Soon kids and gradkids will be like, "I'm straight but is that really the opposite sex? I mean they tell me they are but I need a DNA test now before dating. "
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Dec 24, 2017 21:25:00 GMT
Which of these quotes is from the Quran? These quotes are the scholars' personal opinions. But if you read that article, you will see how they are related to other Islamic stuff. For example, see Islamic views on slavery on Wikipedia. So it's not strange if the Medieval Muslims viewed the Black people as subhuman, slave race, animal and non-human creatures.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 21:31:36 GMT
In the olden days there were no Geneve convetion, Don't know what this is. These guys...some new species. Unhealthy for society. Soon kids and gradkids will be like, "I'm straight but is that really the opposite sex? I mean they tell me they are but I need a DNA test now before dating. "
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 24, 2017 21:36:10 GMT
Reminds me of what is written in the Jewish Talmud about non-Jews! Only the Talmud is worse!
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Post by fschmidt on Dec 24, 2017 21:36:36 GMT
Well, they were medieval people and those quotes are not strange. Plus it was not limited to the Muslims. You know how White Americans viewed the Blacks before 1960-1970s. For example, just google racist animations. Yes, so then what is the point of this thread? There is nothing here specific to Islam.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Dec 24, 2017 21:40:34 GMT
Reminds me of what is written in the Jewish Talmud about non-Jews! Only the Talmud is worse! I think Christianity had/has similar stuff too.
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