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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 13, 2022 13:33:16 GMT
Since by a default suggestion thoughts = words, and we use words to signify objects, abstractions, or other unseen connections between them, then how paradox may occur? - Only by our wishes. We must see paradoxes "in nature" or "between object", but how?
The words paradox refer to some logical situation, when it must be A, while it is not-A, and it contradicts to our expectations. That's why until paradoxes haven't defined beyond our heads no reason to expect it existing ontologically - is useless. There are no paradoxes 'outside our heads'.
And if there are not paradoxes outside, then where are they? In what or where? Can somebody point me to where should I go to find the paradoxes? Or maybe The Paradox is just a village somewhere on the Mexico border? Maybe it's just a drinking bar that works from the dusk till dawn? Where are the signs of it?
Let's say objects are: 'atom', 'bullet', 'cigarette', 'dust', 'employee', 'Frank', 'gravity', 'hexagon', 'I', 'jacket', 'kitchen', 'love', 'misery', 'night', 'oxygen'.
Let's say predicates are: 'Points to', 'Quantifies', 'Rotate', 'Says', 'Tortures', 'Unites', 'Verifies', 'Wheels'.
Let's say variables are: 'x', 'y', 'z'.
So, to be a formula here's the syntax: 1) if _{P, Q, R, S, T, U, W}_ is a predicate and _{a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o}_ are individuals or constants, and _{x, y, z}_ are variables, then _{Pab, Pax, Pay, Pxb, Pxc, Pyb, ..., Qab, Qax, ..., Wyz}_ are formulas 2) if A is a formula, then not-A is also a formula 3) if A, B are formulas, then (A and B), (A or B), (If A, then B), are also fomulas 4) if A is a formula, then (for all x, A), (there is x such that, A) are also formulas 5) there are no other formulas
Let's give some examples:
Pab = 'atoms points to bullet'; Qcd = 'cigarette quantifies dust'; Rex = 'employee rotates something', Red = 'employee rotates dust'; Wxi = 'something wheels me'; For all x, Vgx = 'gravity verifies everything'; There is y, such that Uly = 'there is something that love unites'; For all x there is y such that Tyx = 'for everyone there is a torturer y'; There is y such that for all x Tyx = 'there is someone who tortures everyone'; There is x such that Six and Vml = 'there is someone to whom I say and misery verify love'; If there is y such that Syi, then Pik = 'if there's someone who says me, then I point to a kitchen'.
We can add modality to it, we can add some punctuations, or so on, but there are no paradoxes occur, until we start guessing and figure it out new statements by our own. Let's bring a famous Bertrund Russell one:
Let's say Lxy means 'x loves y', and add a new operation called 'equivalence' that is '__if and only if__'. So, let's complete such a sentence as:
For all x, Lfx if and only if not-Lxx = 'Frank loves only those who doesn't love themselves'.
Then what will happen if we put Frank instead of that ones, or 'f' instead of 'x'? Let's see:
For all, Lxx if and only if not-Lxx = 'everyone loves everyone if and only if everyone doesn't love everyone'.
This doesn't sound correct, it sounds contradictory. But why this has happened? - Because of our interpretations, not because of the world, where no paradoxes are available.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 4, 2022 21:02:17 GMT
I wonder how meals don't interact guts. Plenty of interaction, but for no reason consciousness is involved. If there's no spectacular of a process X then process X will be performed anyway. How are you supposed to get a train hurrying to the train station? Without interaction there is no consciousness. Interaction is the foundation of consciousness. If interaction is consciousness, and all things interact, then all is aware in some degree in accordance with there degree of interaction. First of all, not everything interacts everything, or else there will be chaos or nothing at all. There are certain limits, and because of it we've got forms, contours, etc. And those limits – as you previously said – is absence, and as it any consciousness has an access to it/them. So, at least partially the reality is out of consciousness.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 4, 2022 21:08:21 GMT
Without interaction there is no consciousness. Interaction is the foundation of consciousness. If interaction is consciousness, and all things interact, then all is aware in some degree in accordance with there degree of interaction. First of all, not everything interacts everything, or else there will be chaos or nothing at all. There are certain limits, and because of it we've got forms, contours, etc. And those limits – as you previously said – is absence, and as it any consciousness has an access to it/them. So, at least partially the reality is out of consciousness. Yet saying reality is partially out of consciousness is to be aware of it thus resulting in what is out of consciousness being paradoxically within consciousness. Interaction is relation, only that which relates exists thus if everything exists everything must relate.
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Post by IM LITERALLY NEO on Oct 4, 2022 21:12:00 GMT
Without interaction there is no consciousness. Interaction is the foundation of consciousness. If interaction is consciousness, and all things interact, then all is aware in some degree in accordance with there degree of interaction. First of all, not everything interacts everything, or else there will be chaos or nothing at all. There are certain limits, and because of it we've got forms, contours, etc. And those limits – as you previously said – is absence, and as it any consciousness has an access to it/them. So, at least partially the reality is out of consciousness. This Is Incorrect. From Simple Things As Water / Air / Gravity, To Complex Things As Atoms / Molecules / Subatomic Particles, The Entire Extro-World Is Held Together By The Intro-World.
Planets Are Fine Tuned To A Frequency Of Harmonics, So Are Plants And Animals, Which Is Why They Aren't A Part Of The Ecosystem, They Are The Ecosystem. The Same Thing Applies To Our Bodies, All Organs Work Together With The Brain To Operate The Experience.
Within The Brain Is A Reptilian Part That's Primitive Which Fights Against Our Evolving Pituitary Gland, The Battle Goes On Within And Without. Much Like Health Vs. Cancer, The Body And The Planet Go Through Wars, Because It's All Interacting As One Single System.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 4, 2022 21:15:42 GMT
First of all, not everything interacts everything, or else there will be chaos or nothing at all. There are certain limits, and because of it we've got forms, contours, etc. And those limits – as you previously said – is absence, and as it any consciousness has an access to it/them. So, at least partially the reality is out of consciousness. Yet saying reality is partially out of consciousness is to be aware of it thus resulting in what is out of consciousness being paradoxically within consciousness. Interaction is relation, only that which relates exists thus if everything exists everything must relate. Nah. It doesn't need if we've got two types of truths: logical and factual. A logical truth is the one being derived, not taken by axioms (which are cataleptic), or facts (which are perceived). There are no contradictions in consciousness. Consciousness is the art. No art is contradictory.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 4, 2022 21:17:11 GMT
Yet saying reality is partially out of consciousness is to be aware of it thus resulting in what is out of consciousness being paradoxically within consciousness. Interaction is relation, only that which relates exists thus if everything exists everything must relate. Nah. It doesn't need if we've got two types of truths: logical and factual. A logical truth is the one being derived, not taken by axioms (which are cataleptic), or facts (which are perceived). There are no contradictions in consciousness. Consciousness is the art. No art is contradictory. The fact that there are two types of truth necessitates one as distinct from another thus a contradiction ensues.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Oct 5, 2022 2:17:35 GMT
First of all, not everything interacts everything, or else there will be chaos or nothing at all. There are certain limits, and because of it we've got forms, contours, etc. And those limits – as you previously said – is absence, and as it any consciousness has an access to it/them. So, at least partially the reality is out of consciousness. Yet saying reality is partially out of consciousness is to be aware of it thus resulting in what is out of consciousness being paradoxically within consciousness. Interaction is relation, only that which relates exists thus if everything exists everything must relate. Your logic still shocks me to this day , truly unusual to say the least, anyway We have no examples of reality being pure consciousness in fact if we just do a macro to micro cause I'm observation and look at the human being the human being is about 2% conscious and the rest he is not conscious of and yet the rest is the important part doing all the mechanical work keeping the body alive because there's no human being that knows how to make any of their organs do the job that they do 24/7 they just do them unconsciously and so based on observation of the microcosm we can conclude that the cosmos or reality whatever you want to call it is mainly unconscious with tiny little sprouts of consciousness here and there.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 6, 2022 14:39:49 GMT
Nah. It doesn't need if we've got two types of truths: logical and factual. A logical truth is the one being derived, not taken by axioms (which are cataleptic), or facts (which are perceived). There are no contradictions in consciousness. Consciousness is the art. No art is contradictory. The fact that there are two types of truth necessitates one as distinct from another thus a contradiction ensues. Let's say A :: {a set of axioms, a set of rules}, T :: {a set of theorems} A is not the same as T, even if it can be typed, or spelled, or whatever. For instance, I could paint your portrait, and an image with a middle finger. So, all what you're saying is that, the portrait of yours and the middle finger is the same. Your argumentation shows that you are the middle finger. While, I don't think so.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 6, 2022 20:57:14 GMT
Yet saying reality is partially out of consciousness is to be aware of it thus resulting in what is out of consciousness being paradoxically within consciousness. Interaction is relation, only that which relates exists thus if everything exists everything must relate. Your logic still shocks me to this day , truly unusual to say the least, anyway We have no examples of reality being pure consciousness in fact if we just do a macro to micro cause I'm observation and look at the human being the human being is about 2% conscious and the rest he is not conscious of and yet the rest is the important part doing all the mechanical work keeping the body alive because there's no human being that knows how to make any of their organs do the job that they do 24/7 they just do them unconsciously and so based on observation of the microcosm we can conclude that the cosmos or reality whatever you want to call it is mainly unconscious with tiny little sprouts of consciousness here and there. Examples are relative to definition. If consciousness is defined as interaction then all things are conscious relative to their degree of interaction.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 6, 2022 20:58:44 GMT
The fact that there are two types of truth necessitates one as distinct from another thus a contradiction ensues. Let's say A :: {a set of axioms, a set of rules}, T :: {a set of theorems} A is not the same as T, even if it can be typed, or spelled, or whatever. For instance, I could paint your portrait, and an image with a middle finger. So, all what you're saying is that, the portrait of yours and the middle finger is the same. Your argumentation shows that you are the middle finger. While, I don't think so. Given truth A is not the same as truth T it necessitates that truth is contradictory given both A and T are truths.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Oct 7, 2022 23:16:48 GMT
Your logic still shocks me to this day , truly unusual to say the least, anyway We have no examples of reality being pure consciousness in fact if we just do a macro to micro cause I'm observation and look at the human being the human being is about 2% conscious and the rest he is not conscious of and yet the rest is the important part doing all the mechanical work keeping the body alive because there's no human being that knows how to make any of their organs do the job that they do 24/7 they just do them unconsciously and so based on observation of the microcosm we can conclude that the cosmos or reality whatever you want to call it is mainly unconscious with tiny little sprouts of consciousness here and there. Examples are relative to definition. If consciousness is defined as interaction then all things are conscious relative to their degree of interaction. No one agrees With you on that definition except maybe Gladys but that's it. Of course you can make any stance seem rational if you just change the meaning of things to suit your stance
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 13, 2022 20:00:04 GMT
Examples are relative to definition. If consciousness is defined as interaction then all things are conscious relative to their degree of interaction. No one agrees With you on that definition except maybe Gladys but that's it. Of course you can make any stance seem rational if you just change the meaning of things to suit your stance Consciousness, at it's core, is just interaction given all things, which by nature includes consciousness, are reducible to interaction.
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