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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 7, 2022 19:19:42 GMT
If it is possible for a truth to be falsified then eventually, over the course of time, it will be falsified. Non-falsifiable truth cannot be relative as the relativity of said truth necessitates an eventual falsification given the introduction of a new context. Absolute truth, as unfalsifiable, cannot be relative.
This however causes a problem as any absolute truth is seen relatively through the angle of observation of the observer thus only a part is observed. This partiality necessitates that what is observed appears differently when the angle of observation changes. By necessity the absolute truth must not change in appearance when the angle of observation changes and this leaves us with nothing, as an absence of thingness thus definition, therefore leaving us with the simple point, or dot, as absolute given the point/dot is nothing or rather "no-thing".
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 8, 2022 5:20:57 GMT
A person may believe in something, then he doesn't have knowledge about that something. If a person has knowledge about S, then he is able to falsify ~S (not S), otherwise he doesn't have knowledge, but belief. If a person can falsify ~S, then S is true If there's no way to falsify S, then it is truth if and only if S is verified. But then S is an analytic truth. If the truth S is non analytic, then it must be verified, and there's no unverifiable S. Any factual truth are such due to the nature, and each nature has its own set of factual truths, otherwise we'd have a chaos.
A dot has size. A dot has endurance/continuity in time. A dot has no form, so I don't know how a dot can be identified. A non-identifiable dot may be anything, so we don't know what we've been looking for. A non-identifiable dot is imaginary. Any imaginary dots are not real, and if they're non-real, they're not factual. Since a dot cannot be verified, it doesn't be checked and we're not sure about its true.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 8, 2022 15:17:35 GMT
But can we know an absolute truth? Society over time can adjust its methods of reasoning and what it calls logical to be completely different in a relatively short amount of time and so what once was considered logical 2000 years ago can be viewed as illogical today even if it holds the title of absolute truth so the question is can we know absolute truth and can we verify that something is an absolute truth?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 8, 2022 17:07:00 GMT
But can we know an absolute truth? Society over time can adjust its methods of reasoning and what it calls logical to be completely different in a relatively short amount of time and so what once was considered logical 2000 years ago can be viewed as illogical today even if it holds the title of absolute truth so the question is can we know absolute truth and can we verify that something is an absolute truth? If a person is open-minded, one is interested in everything, or, in other words, the one doesn't refute the other sources, so the one is trying to gather as more info as possible. Because if one reruses it, or doesn't want to do it, this can be called as a retreat or lack of wish to know anything, so I think the open-minded-ness is necessary for this question, i.e. - to get closer to the absolute truth. Being open-minded a person is trying to understand different opinions, including the opinions of the others. Doing it he tries to get the same experience the others have, because the most closer truth to us is what we indeed felt, and what we've got via our personal experience. This way is a good one, but when we try to use 'the experience of the others' it causes problems, since there is no direct access to it. Considering the last one point, I think that is why we can explain why people group together and try to find out something not being separated or isolated, but together. So, this pursuit for that absolute truth is a process, not a short discrete action. Perhaps, we need all our live to understand some plain things. And the absolute truth seems to require much more, than a life of one isolated person.... however... who knows?..
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 10, 2022 3:41:22 GMT
But can we know an absolute truth? Society over time can adjust its methods of reasoning and what it calls logical to be completely different in a relatively short amount of time and so what once was considered logical 2000 years ago can be viewed as illogical today even if it holds the title of absolute truth so the question is can we know absolute truth and can we verify that something is an absolute truth? If a person is open-minded, one is interested in everything, or, in other words, the one doesn't refute the other sources, so the one is trying to gather as more info as possible. Because if one reruses it, or doesn't want to do it, this can be called as a retreat or lack of wish to know anything, so I think the open-minded-ness is necessary for this question, i.e. - to get closer to the absolute truth. Being open-minded a person is trying to understand different opinions, including the opinions of the others. Doing it he tries to get the same experience the others have, because the most closer truth to us is what we indeed felt, and what we've got via our personal experience. This way is a good one, but when we try to use 'the experience of the others' it causes problems, since there is no direct access to it. Considering the last one point, I think that is why we can explain why people group together and try to find out something not being separated or isolated, but together. So, this pursuit for that absolute truth is a process, not a short discrete action. Perhaps, we need all our live to understand some plain things. And the absolute truth seems to require much more, than a life of one isolated person.... however... who knows?.. Are you saying I'm close-minded?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 10, 2022 9:10:19 GMT
If a person is open-minded, one is interested in everything, or, in other words, the one doesn't refute the other sources, so the one is trying to gather as more info as possible. Because if one reruses it, or doesn't want to do it, this can be called as a retreat or lack of wish to know anything, so I think the open-minded-ness is necessary for this question, i.e. - to get closer to the absolute truth. Being open-minded a person is trying to understand different opinions, including the opinions of the others. Doing it he tries to get the same experience the others have, because the most closer truth to us is what we indeed felt, and what we've got via our personal experience. This way is a good one, but when we try to use 'the experience of the others' it causes problems, since there is no direct access to it. Considering the last one point, I think that is why we can explain why people group together and try to find out something not being separated or isolated, but together. So, this pursuit for that absolute truth is a process, not a short discrete action. Perhaps, we need all our live to understand some plain things. And the absolute truth seems to require much more, than a life of one isolated person.... however... who knows?.. Are you saying I'm close-minded? What made you think that? Or it's some of a witch-hunt?
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 10, 2022 22:40:28 GMT
Are you saying I'm close-minded? What made you think that? Or it's some of a witch-hunt? What? Dude I don't understand you sometimes. You replied to me saying that a person needs to have an open mind which doesn't relate to what I had said in my previous comment so it seemed as if you were trying to imply that I was being close minded seeing as hot it didn't seem to go along with what I had said and now your bringing up a witch hunt? WTF? All or nothing I see
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 11, 2022 2:39:30 GMT
What made you think that? Or it's some of a witch-hunt? What? Dude I don't understand you sometimes. You replied to me saying that a person needs to have an open mind which doesn't relate to what I had said in my previous comment so it seemed as if you were trying to imply that I was being close minded seeing as hot it didn't seem to go along with what I had said and now your bringing up a witch hunt? WTF? All or nothing I see I'm not a dude for you, pal. Start speaking more politely already! Nobody called you a close-minded, and if all what you want is to cry out, then calm your angriness on someone else. Here under the bomb shelling I'm a more calm, than you in peace. I couldn't even imagine what would you do in a panic mode. Open-minded or close-minded person means a one who is interested or not interested to gather new info. And when it says generally all the references made by you or someone else are only your psychological projections. By the way, a psychologist or a policeman always try to use such phrases to make an interrogated person to utter unexpected things. (The person might use some specific details, or some other important things.) Such phrases act like a mirror making people tell what they think indeed. So, you need to stop that witch-hunting, because me or anyone else was not going to call you a whatever minded person.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 11, 2022 11:31:24 GMT
Jesus Christ are you on your period or something? I swear smh you replied to my comment with what I perceived as non related comments so it kinda sounded like maybe you were implying that I was close minded idk why you would do that?
maybe because you tend to get but hurt when people disagree with your opinions? idk
so I asked you directly (that's what adult men do) and you reply with an obvious butt hurt reply saying I'm on a witch hunt which is yet another comment seemingly unrelated to what I had said
and as I just want clarification you are acting like 14-year-old cheerleader that lost her Miley Cyrus concert tickets or something so WTF chill dude
it's just a forum for shooting the breeze with other people, I can't see you, and doing this right here is the only way of communicating and understanding each other is through this right here
so how am I supposed to understand something without asking you it? Huh? You want me to astral project into your mom's basement on your sister's couch right beside you so we can talk face to face? I highly doubt it so the only way to get clarification is to ask for clarification on here so take a deep breath getting the lotus position and just have a conversation
and no I'm not projecting anything on to you that is a very stereotypical thing people often say and then credit to psychology as if they know anything about psychology (which happens to be one of my favorite field to study by the way)
and I'm sorry but it requires much more than just a few internet conversations for somebody to properly diagnose if a person is projecting their own inner issues on to another and it's just a very common deflection technique (and overused in my opinion)
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 11, 2022 12:29:47 GMT
Jesus Christ are you on your period or something? I swear smh you replied to my comment with what I perceived as non related comments so it kinda sounded like maybe you were implying that I was close minded idk why you would do that? maybe because you tend to get but hurt when people disagree with your opinions? idk so I asked you directly (that's what adult men do) and you reply with an obvious butt hurt reply saying I'm on a witch hunt which is yet another comment seemingly unrelated to what I had said and as I just want clarification you are acting like 14-year-old cheerleader that lost her Miley Cyrus concert tickets or something so WTF chill dude it's just a forum for shooting the breeze with other people, I can't see you, and doing this right here is the only way of communicating and understanding each other is through this right here so how am I supposed to understand something without asking you it? Huh? You want me to astral project into your mom's basement on your sister's couch right beside you so we can talk face to face? I highly doubt it so the only way to get clarification is to ask for clarification on here so take a deep breath getting the lotus position and just have a conversation and no I'm not projecting anything on to you that is a very stereotypical thing people often say and then credit to psychology as if they know anything about psychology (which happens to be one of my favorite field to study by the way) and I'm sorry but it requires much more than just a few internet conversations for somebody to properly diagnose if a person is projecting their own inner issues on to another and it's just a very common deflection technique (and overused in my opinion) I warn you for using direct pejoratives and obscene words. Hold rules of the forum or be banned. Another warn will be a ban.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 11, 2022 21:14:18 GMT
Jesus Christ are you on your period or something? I swear smh you replied to my comment with what I perceived as non related comments so it kinda sounded like maybe you were implying that I was close minded idk why you would do that? maybe because you tend to get but hurt when people disagree with your opinions? idk so I asked you directly (that's what adult men do) and you reply with an obvious butt hurt reply saying I'm on a witch hunt which is yet another comment seemingly unrelated to what I had said and as I just want clarification you are acting like 14-year-old cheerleader that lost her Miley Cyrus concert tickets or something so WTF chill dude it's just a forum for shooting the breeze with other people, I can't see you, and doing this right here is the only way of communicating and understanding each other is through this right here so how am I supposed to understand something without asking you it? Huh? You want me to astral project into your mom's basement on your sister's couch right beside you so we can talk face to face? I highly doubt it so the only way to get clarification is to ask for clarification on here so take a deep breath getting the lotus position and just have a conversation and no I'm not projecting anything on to you that is a very stereotypical thing people often say and then credit to psychology as if they know anything about psychology (which happens to be one of my favorite field to study by the way) and I'm sorry but it requires much more than just a few internet conversations for somebody to properly diagnose if a person is projecting their own inner issues on to another and it's just a very common deflection technique (and overused in my opinion) I warn you for using direct pejoratives and obscene words. Hold rules of the forum or be banned. Another warn will be a ban. And instead of communicating you threaten me with your position as a moderator, is that how you would want to be treated? Probably not . Look idk if maybe it's a language barrier or something but it's not cool to just throw the I can ban you card instead of communicating after all their are people that will disagree for April pages and nothing happens to them and here we are three messages deep and you just want to flex on me, that's not cool dude .
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 11, 2022 21:18:52 GMT
5. Do not harass or insult continuously. Please exercise restraint and be courteous to others. We understand fights/disagreements are inevitable but please make an effort to solve them quickly and privately before it becomes a burden to others and involves staff. Do not physically threaten harm to another member under any circumstances
Can see the criteria is continuously and I was not doing it continuously I was asking for clarification we barely had any back and forth conversation so I have not qualified for a permanent ban or even a temporary ban because I tried clearing the waters up
If you just hate me that's fine I won't comment on any posts you make I'll leave you alone you can have your own sandbox I'll have mine
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 11, 2022 21:37:58 GMT
5. Do not harass or insult continuously. Please exercise restraint and be courteous to others. We understand fights/disagreements are inevitable but please make an effort to solve them quickly and privately before it becomes a burden to others and involves staff. Do not physically threaten harm to another member under any circumstances Can see the criteria is continuously and I was not doing it continuously I was asking for clarification we barely had any back and forth conversation so I have not qualified for a permanent ban or even a temporary ban because I tried clearing the waters up If you just hate me that's fine I won't comment on any posts you make I'll leave you alone you can have your own sandbox I'll have mine You used insult phrases. And stop spreading insanity about hatred or something. In case you can't speak like an adequate person, you'll be banned.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 12, 2022 9:13:09 GMT
5. Do not harass or insult continuously. Please exercise restraint and be courteous to others. We understand fights/disagreements are inevitable but please make an effort to solve them quickly and privately before it becomes a burden to others and involves staff. Do not physically threaten harm to another member under any circumstances Can see the criteria is continuously and I was not doing it continuously I was asking for clarification we barely had any back and forth conversation so I have not qualified for a permanent ban or even a temporary ban because I tried clearing the waters up If you just hate me that's fine I won't comment on any posts you make I'll leave you alone you can have your own sandbox I'll have mine You used insult phrases. And stop spreading insanity about hatred or something. In case you can't speak like an adequate person, you'll be banned. First of all you seem trigger happy to want to just ban me because I don't agree with you how does that make you any different in the governments everybody's complaining about currently? They abuse their powers and everyone complains about them getting canceled in the oppression that the governments are putting on people yet people forget the governments are run by the people. Let's not forget you're making accusations towards me but to the rules not protect me just you? what does that even mean? your accusation that I "stop spreading insanity about hatred or something"? what are you trying to say or accuse me of?. you're going to make an accusation at least explain it which I've been trying to get you to do since the very beginning of this and like I said I don't know what your problem is but I'm willing to drop it and perhaps if the English language is such a barrier for you maybe you shouldn't be in such a power position because it's too difficult to understand people that don't speak whatever your native tongue is? like I said I'm not harassing I'm just trying to clarify that's all I've been trying to do and I want to drop it after this I don't want to talk about it anymore I don't care about it I'm over it it's in the past but if you're going to accuse me of things and continually try to threaten me with banning me to show me how mighty powerful you are then at least substantiate your threats with actual information because you're the one keeping this a problem I'm not having a problem let it be bygones and in the wind it looks like you're trying to pick a fight with somebody on purpose and I happen to be the one that walked in the line of fire. Let bygones be bygones I'm done with it either substantiate your claims towards me with information or let bygones be bygones but don't tell me to stop spreading "hate insanity" because I'm not so stop trying to pick a fight and abuse your position .
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 12, 2022 9:55:32 GMT
You used insult phrases. And stop spreading insanity about hatred or something. In case you can't speak like an adequate person, you'll be banned. First of all you seem trigger happy to want to just ban me because I don't agree with you how does that make you any different in the governments everybody's complaining about currently? They abuse their powers and everyone complains about them getting canceled in the oppression that the governments are putting on people yet people forget the governments are run by the people. Let's not forget you're making accusations towards me but to the rules not protect me just you? what does that even mean? your accusation that I "stop spreading insanity about hatred or something"? what are you trying to say or accuse me of?. you're going to make an accusation at least explain it which I've been trying to get you to do since the very beginning of this and like I said I don't know what your problem is but I'm willing to drop it and perhaps if the English language is such a barrier for you maybe you shouldn't be in such a power position because it's too difficult to understand people that don't speak whatever your native tongue is? like I said I'm not harassing I'm just trying to clarify that's all I've been trying to do and I want to drop it after this I don't want to talk about it anymore I don't care about it I'm over it it's in the past but if you're going to accuse me of things and continually try to threaten me with banning me to show me how mighty powerful you are then at least substantiate your threats with actual information because you're the one keeping this a problem I'm not having a problem let it be bygones and in the wind it looks like you're trying to pick a fight with somebody on purpose and I happen to be the one that walked in the line of fire. Let bygones be bygones I'm done with it either substantiate your claims towards me with information or let bygones be bygones but don't tell me to stop spreading "hate insanity" because I'm not so stop trying to pick a fight and abuse your position . Your fooling around isn't interesting for me. Any clown and inadequate behavior will be detected and removed. Dull accusations and unnecessary expressions leave for yourself.
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