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Post by AmericanCharm on Dec 12, 2017 11:33:03 GMT
I’m an Agnostic, I believe religion is something the human brain invented in its early stage of (civilian) development. It was the answer to many unanswered things it had to process. Some kind of coping mechanism.
You see a trend of religions all over the world. They each created their own religions to answer their questions. For example Native Americans didn’t know what Christianity or Judaism was. So they created their own polytheistic religion. That to them was the way they could reason how things were as they were. Same for Viking Scandanavia with Paganism, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece and so on. Then you have Eastern religions which center more around philosophical beliefs like Buddhism, Taoism, etc. You have Hinduism. You have Africans who believe the great JuJu at the top of the mountain or whatever. You have Mormons who created a religion very recently compared to most other religions. Finally you have the Abrahamic religions which the majority of the modern world follow. You have monotheistic, polytheistic, Eastern, Western, Abrahamic, etc religions. But the thing that they all have in common was when each civilization was going through their civilian development they came up with a way to answer their questions. All through different times in history in different parts of the world.
All religions can’t be right because they all contradict each other but they can all be wrong.
Believing that there is something else out there greater than us that created this isn’t an illogical opinion. To point at a specific religion with a specific god and holy book is illogical and not plausible in my opinion.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 17, 2017 6:38:08 GMT
translated, translated, retranslated, edited and mistranslated. Its not the word of a god if it has the word ' version ' on the cover. Most of modern christianity is fairly plaguarised from the circa 4500 bc Egyptian Book of the Dead. The rest is just stories handed down and passed around - just a game of telephone and used for geopolitical control over citizens. Written by people who thought the earth was flat and who didnt know where the sun went to at night. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk It was saying flat? Old testanemt was saying it was round.hmm Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 17, 2017 23:40:37 GMT
It was saying flat? Old testanemt was saying it was round.hmm Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. For atheists and agnostics this is not an argument! + this Scripture can be interpreted in different ways!
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Post by marduk on Dec 18, 2017 0:21:45 GMT
in response to people killing in the name of religion
well people have been killing each other on the basis of differences in ideas be it religion or science or politics, these are simply platforms of power for the human nature to do what it does
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 18, 2017 0:39:19 GMT
It was saying flat? Old testanemt was saying it was round.hmm Isaiah 40:22: He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. For atheists and agnostics this is not an argument! + this Scripture can be interpreted in different ways! What other way can the circle be interpreted?
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 19, 2017 16:26:36 GMT
For atheists and agnostics this is not an argument! + this Scripture can be interpreted in different ways! What other way can the circle be interpreted? Well for instance absolutely everything in the bible happened within this small red circle. They didn't know about the rest of the planet at that time. When was that part added? I'm betting after the time of Copernicus, since I very much doubt it was in the original sanskrit of the dead sea scrolls. Its all about which middle eastern tribe scribbled down the coolest fairy tales...
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 19, 2017 16:28:54 GMT
Just stories passed down, mistranslated, embellished - but since the beginning created by man.
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Post by fschmidt on Dec 22, 2017 10:53:32 GMT
All religions can’t be right because they all contradict each other but they can all be wrong. This assumes absolute truth. I think it is fair to call the concept of absolute truth metaphysical globalism. Religion is the primary force behind culture. If your religious thinking is globalist, then your culture and politics will be globalist. Your Agnosticism is basically a globalist viewpoint. The pre-Christian Europeans were pagans. This was a relativistic viewpoint. It didn't bother the European pagans that their religions differed because they accepted the idea that different truths can be true for different cultures. This relativism is the only solid basis for non-globalist thinking. (I follow the Old Testament which is relativistic in the same sense as paganism, but of course today's religions don't understand this.)
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jan 1, 2018 6:55:48 GMT
I’m an Agnostic, I believe religion is something the human brain invented in its early stage of (civilian) development. It was the answer to many unanswered things it had to process. Some kind of coping mechanism. You see a trend of religions all over the world. They each created their own religions to answer their questions. For example Native Americans didn’t know what Christianity or Judaism was. So they created their own polytheistic religion. That to them was the way they could reason how things were as they were. Same for Viking Scandanavia with Paganism, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece and so on. Then you have Eastern religions which center more around philosophical beliefs like Buddhism, Taoism, etc. You have Hinduism. You have Africans who believe the great JuJu at the top of the mountain or whatever. You have Mormons who created a religion very recently compared to most other religions. Finally you have the Abrahamic religions which the majority of the modern world follow. You have monotheistic, polytheistic, Eastern, Western, Abrahamic, etc religions. But the thing that they all have in common was when each civilization was going through their civilian development they came up with a way to answer their questions. All through different times in history in different parts of the world. All religions can’t be right because they all contradict each other but they can all be wrong. Believing that there is something else out there greater than us that created this isn’t an illogical opinion. To point at a specific religion with a specific god and holy book is illogical and not plausible in my opinion. Instead of rationalizing things yourself I have a suggestion. I have prayed to God and he has answered me clearly and unmistakably. Why don't you just pray to God with an a genuinely curious heart to see if he answers? Easy way to investigate if there's a God.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 5:19:46 GMT
I am an Agnostic because I cannot bring myself to believe in something I cannot see, I have to question everything, it's in my nature to question everything, and it's a humanity's innate nature to question everything. I believe that there is some out there but I don't know for certain. And it's impossible that are religions are the "right and final" message before the end. All religions cannot be the truth. It just doesn't make an sense to me logically.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 28, 2018 5:50:15 GMT
I am an Agnostic because I cannot bring myself to believe in something I cannot see, I have to question everything, it's in my nature to question everything, and it's a humanity's innate nature to question everything. This is interesting actually. So like does it apply to let's say space? Like you won't say earth is a sphere unless you see it to believe it from space? Yes, all religions can't be right. That's not logical. But one could be then yeah? So must it be found would you say?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 6:05:51 GMT
Yes, that's what I'm saying, but there is no way to prove what religion is right or wrong.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Jan 28, 2018 6:17:10 GMT
I am an Agnostic because I cannot bring myself to believe in something I cannot see, I have to question everything, it's in my nature to question everything, and it's a humanity's innate nature to question everything. I believe that there is some out there but I don't know for certain. And it's impossible that are religions are the "right and final" message before the end. All religions cannot be the truth. It just doesn't make an sense to me logically. I claim Agnosticism because I feel Atheism unintentionally claims the same ignorance these religions do. The religions claim they know they picked the right god and their holy book is the way. Atheists claim to know there isn’t anything and to me that is a similar type of ignorance. But I am by definition a non believer. But the burden of proof isn’t on us, its on the people claiming to know something exists.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 6:19:36 GMT
I am an Agnostic because I cannot bring myself to believe in something I cannot see, I have to question everything, it's in my nature to question everything, and it's a humanity's innate nature to question everything. I believe that there is some out there but I don't know for certain. And it's impossible that are religions are the "right and final" message before the end. All religions cannot be the truth. It just doesn't make an sense to me logically. I claim Agnosticism because I feel Atheism unintentionally claims the same ignorance these religions do. The religions claim they know they picked the right god and their holy book is the way. Atheists claim to know there isn’t anything and to me that is a similar type of ignorance. But I am by definition a non believer. But the burden of proof isn’t on us, its on the people claiming to know something exists. My thoughts exactly, Atheism nowadays is in itself a religion. Pure Atheism is cancer tbh.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 28, 2018 6:26:13 GMT
I am an Agnostic because I cannot bring myself to believe in something I cannot see, I have to question everything, it's in my nature to question everything, and it's a humanity's innate nature to question everything. I believe that there is some out there but I don't know for certain. And it's impossible that are religions are the "right and final" message before the end. All religions cannot be the truth. It just doesn't make an sense to me logically. I claim Agnosticism because I feel Atheism unintentionally claims the same ignorance these religions do. The religions claim they know they picked the right god and their holy book is the way. Atheists claim to know there isn’t anything and to me that is a similar type of ignorance. But I am by definition a non believer. But the burden of proof isn’t on us, its on the people claiming to know something exists. That voice and hands existed right (I'm sure you know what I'm referencing)? But how do you prove it? You can't....comes down to faith right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 6:30:18 GMT
I'm unsure of what you are referencing, but yes, it comes down to faith.
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