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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 21, 2017 8:30:00 GMT
There is a scientific measurable reality to our material world. I haven't a clue what lies behind it but it is most certainly no god. It has none of the attributes of any of the gods we have configured to date.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 11, 2017 23:08:31 GMT
There was a time when I was an atheist! But it was at a time when I seriously was not interested in important life issues and therefore the topic of religion was missing in my life. For such a curious person like me atheism was not a good option! on the other hand, this life you have is the only one you get. When you realize there is no afterlife, no great beyond, no heavens gate that makes your time more important. Why gamble a life away praying to a non-provable, non-existent deity in hopes you might be granted some eternal paradise. live a good life free of that jail cell. who knows, if you do stand at the pearly gates at the end i think a strong faithful believer and a non believer would be judged the same way anyways, based on the life you had. If there is (probably) no after life then you just turn into ashes or worm food. regardless by that time it wont matter Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Yea! The fact that we have only one life it is a proven fact! But still our universe is very large, and people have very few resources to understand all its secrets genesis.
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Post by marduk on Dec 12, 2017 8:02:08 GMT
There was a time when I was an atheist! But it was at a time when I seriously was not interested in important life issues and therefore the topic of religion was missing in my life. For such a curious person like me atheism was not a good option! on the other hand, this life you have is the only one you get. When you realize there is no afterlife, no great beyond, no heavens gate that makes your time more important. Why gamble a life away praying to a non-provable, non-existent deity in hopes you might be granted some eternal paradise. live a good life free of that jail cell. who knows, if you do stand at the pearly gates at the end i think a strong faithful believer and a non believer would be judged the same way anyways, based on the life you had. If there is (probably) no after life then you just turn into ashes or worm food. regardless by that time it wont matter Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk have you guys dropped a high dose of acid or done some dmt?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 12, 2017 8:07:47 GMT
What are you talking about?
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Post by marduk on Dec 12, 2017 8:30:57 GMT
What are you talking about? well the common themes of the dmt experience are it shoots you to a different realm where time is eternal a 15 minute trip feels like aeons and you can meet gods and mechanical elves along with structures of geometric patterns which are immensely beautiful , 1st timers also report an eerie feeling of familiarity with the realm, it feels like home. dmt is generated in our pineal glands, and is for some reason present in a majority of living beings including animals and plants. when we die our brain excretes an immense amount of dmt :D
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 12, 2017 22:40:41 GMT
What are you talking about? well the common themes of the dmt experience are it shoots you to a different realm where time is eternal a 15 minute trip feels like aeons and you can meet gods and mechanical elves along with structures of geometric patterns which are immensely beautiful , 1st timers also report an eerie feeling of familiarity with the realm, it feels like home. dmt is generated in our pineal glands, and is for some reason present in a majority of living beings including animals and plants. when we die our brain excretes an immense amount of dmt :D You tried this? Sounds scary though.
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Post by marduk on Dec 13, 2017 0:40:19 GMT
no i haven't but i plan to xD
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 13, 2017 1:32:06 GMT
no i haven't but i plan to xD Tell us about it when you do!
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 13, 2017 2:48:32 GMT
i think that Religious people dont like to talk about atheism because it reminds them of their own mortality.. is that correct?
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 13, 2017 3:30:28 GMT
i think that Religious people dont like to talk about atheism because it reminds them of their own mortality.. is that correct? Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Frick, no. I want to talk about it!
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 13, 2017 4:03:15 GMT
ok. well what do you want to ask?
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Post by geeboy1 on Jan 2, 2018 8:25:08 GMT
I'm atheist as well and then?
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Post by thearistotelliancopt on Jan 4, 2018 20:46:34 GMT
The last sentence seems absolutely absurd to me. If there is something behind the universe, which you seem to implicitly imply, thrn it would have to have the properties of the God as understood by today's monotheists. So i dont see how you came to that conclusion.
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Post by zangthemidday on Feb 8, 2018 7:30:06 GMT
There is a scientific measurable reality to our material world. This is not true. to the extent that it might be true, its a rather tenuous and flimsy claim that's founded on semantic truth-bubbles within the realm of ""SCIENTIFIC-REALITY"". There is reality, and there is Science, and science has done a pretty good job at undermining its own philosophical credibility. Don't buy into the hype, men in white lab coats might be able to come up with descriptions of reality, but the presumptions that the methodology of science depends on, doesn't even match with the observations gathered at the deepest level of 'physical reality'. Quantum Mechanics remains not understood after 80 years of scientific "thinking", all the while there is actually very little new science, there is new industry, but science as a body of knowledge about reality, has done little since the times of Lord Cavendish over 200 years ago. Centralized R&D built over the course of two world wars, does not "new" science generate; relativity is both a blessing and curse in the supposed advanced in understanding reality, it certainly helps to bolster confidence in the philosophical temporal-determinism that science depends, but this objective-coordinate system that relativity provides, comes at the cost of casting quantum mechanics into an irreducible square-circle. I'm suggesting that relatvity has problems (not with the math, but there is some kind of compound-variable that's being overlooked), and I'd like to point out, I'm not the only one with these suspicions (see link below), but even so, if you accept relativity, as I already mentioned, Quantum mechanics becomes insoluble. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKyBiOKYo3U <-- this guy seems to agree with that one point I mentioned.] I made a youtube upload of some of my thoughts on atheism, although its not that relevant to this exact topic..... it does contain a few elements that relate to this particular point I'm making, but my video is focused more on intellectual component of ideological belief, and the operation of it's world-view... Attachments:
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Post by Mocha on Feb 8, 2018 15:32:55 GMT
There is a scientific measurable reality to our material world. Quantum Mechanics remains not understood after 80 years of scientific "thinking", all the while there is actually very little new science, there is new industry, but science as a body of knowledge about reality, has done little since the times of Lord Cavendish over 200 years ago. You're posting this on a forum, over the internet, using a computer, with peripherals, citing a color video, on YouTube, and of those things, none existed 200 years ago. Last semester, my history professor lectured on multiple civilizations known for less than a century. Nearly every single week he would go over new archaeological findings. I also took linear algebra that semester. Many of the things I learned in the course are hardly a century old, although you can argue over whether mathematics counts as a science. Ever heard of a little planet called Neptune? We've only known about that minor detail for under two centuries. Pluto, Eris, literally the entire Kuiper belt, Oort Cloud, TNOs, SDOs, KBOs, all the Os. Stellar classification. Literally every single one of the thousands of discovered exoplanets, of which every single one has been known for not thirty years. PT1 hasn't even been known for four years yet and we're already sending a fucking probe there. In not 11 months from now, you're gonna see high-resolution photos of another KBO. I own a book written by a guy who's discovered 37 TNOs. Every last one of them has been known for fewer than two decades, let alone two centuries. Him and Batygin discovered the clustering of TNOs just under two years ago, let alone two centuries. I have witnessed with my own eyes a planet and many moons known for not two centuries. Comparative linguistics has only existed for a century and a half. Glottalic theory has only existed for a few decades. Lambda calculus has existed for just 90 years, and its usage in linguistics and computer programming has existed for far less. We haven't been able to even read Egyptian, Maya, and many other scripts for more than two centuries, let alone learn their history. Typology. No no, not that one, but that's also existed for under two centuries too. If you honestly believe science has accomplished nothing in the past two centuries, I would suggest you stop living in the 19th century and join the rest of us.
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Post by zangthemidday on Feb 8, 2018 23:52:16 GMT
Quantum Mechanics remains not understood after 80 years of scientific "thinking", all the while there is actually very little new science, there is new industry, but science as a body of knowledge about reality, has done little since the times of Lord Cavendish over 200 years ago. You're posting this on a forum, over the internet, using a computer, with peripherals, citing a color video, on YouTube, and of those things, none existed 200 years ago. Last semester, my history professor lectured on multiple civilizations known for less than a century. Nearly every single week he would go over new archaeological findings. I also took linear algebra that semester. Many of the things I learned in the course are hardly a century old, although you can argue over whether mathematics counts as a science. Ever heard of a little planet called Neptune? We've only known about that minor detail for under two centuries. Pluto, Eris, literally the entire Kuiper belt, Oort Cloud, TNOs, SDOs, KBOs, all the Os. Stellar classification. Literally every single one of the thousands of discovered exoplanets, of which every single one has been known for not thirty years. PT1 hasn't even been known for four years yet and we're already sending a fucking probe there. In not 11 months from now, you're gonna see high-resolution photos of another KBO. I own a book written by a guy who's discovered 37 TNOs. Every last one of them has been known for fewer than two decades, let alone two centuries. Him and Batygin discovered the clustering of TNOs just under two years ago, let alone two centuries. I have witnessed with my own eyes a planet and many moons known for not two centuries. Comparative linguistics has only existed for a century and a half. Glottalic theory has only existed for a few decades. Lambda calculus has existed for just 90 years, and its usage in linguistics and computer programming has existed for far less. We haven't been able to even read Egyptian, Maya, and many other scripts for more than two centuries, let alone learn their history. Typology. No no, not that one, but that's also existed for under two centuries too. If you honestly believe science has accomplished nothing in the past two centuries, I would suggest you stop living in the 19th century and join the rest of us. those discoveries might be useful propaganda, but its largely just babble, science either has a fundamental linchpin to do with uncovering the fundamental operation of reality, or it doesn't; generating more superfluous details about a clockwork universe, without any insight into the principles of the operative mechanics, is like a culinarian inventing different ways to end up with the same baked cake that tasted bad to begin with. And again, the difference between computers in this age and the lack of computers 200 years ago, is nothing to do with scientific advancement, discoveries in Astrology that you cite had nothing to do with improved technology, and I gave an account of this, of which you either didn't comprehend or think that table thumping is good enough to overcome; make a real argument on my line of thinking, but don't concoct specious indictments that haven't even touched on how I treated the subject. You literally conflated every point I painstakingly delineated, so I expect your next response will be equally as inane as the nonsense you just tried to pass off that you think diminishes my claims by offering science's adoption of humanity. It's like your're a Cryoptian in the Superman comic books, and you actually believe everything Brainiac says carries the force of truth and progress, and that worshiping Brainiac is the only progress that humanity can hope to be invested in; have a nice ride with your brain dead bandwagon. I suspect I'm really wasting my time now, because I expect whatever follows to be even more intellectually dishonest.
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