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Post by greatestiam on Jan 21, 2020 17:25:36 GMT
Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
If so, then he could not be the perfect sacrifice.
If not, then he had no human side and was pure god, and god cannot die which, makes the sacrifice a lie.
Could these facts be why the Jews have no Original Sin concept in their religion?
Is that also why Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah, or did they just recognize the immorality of anyone using a scapegoat and the abdication of one’s responsibility for their actions, which is against all moral legal systems?
Why have Christians embraced such an immoral and illegal concept?
Regards
DL
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Post by joustos on Jan 22, 2020 15:04:22 GMT
Was Jesus born with Original Sin? If so, then he could not be the perfect sacrifice. If not, then he had no human side and was pure god, and god cannot die which, makes the sacrifice a lie. Could these facts be why the Jews have no Original Sin concept in their religion? Is that also why Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah, or did they just recognize the immorality of anyone using a scapegoat and the abdication of one’s responsibility for their actions, which is against all moral legal systems? Why have Christians embraced such an immoral and illegal concept? Regards DL I cannot deal with the questions that concern the Jews. The Christians adopted the Jewish idea that sin can be transmitted biologically. However, the Catholics denied that Jesus was born with the original sin. How could this be? Since his generation on the fatherside was God, he did not inherit any sin. For his motherside, the myth was created that his mother, Mary, was conceived without sin: that's the "immaculate conception". (Since death is, theologically speaking, the consequence of original sin, she did not die and rot in a grave; she was assumed (taken up) into heaven, where she as well as Jesus are physically intact. They say that Jesus died on the cross, but this was so momentarily, because he resurrected within three days -- otherwise" our faith would be in vain", says Paul. Various myths or dogmas are justified, not by evidence, but by the idea of what is fitting. It is not fitting that Jesus be born with the original sin, since his very mission or task was to redeem men from the wages of sin [in which he did not succeed, as all humans, baptized or not, continue to die, etc.]
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Post by greatestiam on Jan 29, 2020 21:50:20 GMT
Do you think that Christians wait in vain?
I do because the morals the Roman Jesus taught are not that good in terms of morals.
A god could easily do better.
Regards DL
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