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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 9, 2019 14:27:53 GMT
Role of support of Christianity (or some Christians) in Nazis up building. Of the question of inconsistency and paradoxes within Christianity: "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also" (Matthew 5:39). Surely, it doesn't mean it's not right, but it gives some info to think about it. Just think about it. The Main SourceThe Great Scandal: Christianity’s Role in the Rise of the Nazis:“You know what happens when atheists take over—remember Nazi Germany?” Many Christians point to Nazism, alongside Stalinism, to illustrate the perils of atheism in power. At the other extreme, some authors paint the Vatican as Hitler’s eager ally. Meanwhile, the Nazis are generally portrayed as using terror to bend a modern civilization to their agenda; yet we recognize that Hitler was initially popular. Amid these contradictions, where is the truth?
A growing body of scholarly research, some based on careful analysis of Nazi records, is clarifying this complex history. It reveals a convoluted pattern of religious and moral failure in which atheism and the nonreligious played little role, except as victims of the Nazis and their allies. In contrast, Christianity had the capacity to stop Nazism before it came to power, and to reduce or moderate its practices afterwards, but repeatedly failed to do so because the principal churches were complicit with—indeed, in the pay of—the Nazis... [...]
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Post by jonbain on Nov 12, 2019 13:17:51 GMT
Sure, the liars are hardly going to hold up a big sign saying: "WE ARE THE LIARS", instead they hold up the same signs of 'Truth' in order to deceive.
But 'you shall know them by the fruits of their labor'. so its even feasible that many true people do not hold up the visible signs of Christianity, because so many liars do just that.
matt 6:2 "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others."
Discretion is the better part of valor.
I can just as easily express true Christian values within the narrative of Nordic cosmology, as can deceivers use the Christian narrative to promote materialism.
This was precisely what went down during apartheid.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 12, 2019 19:52:13 GMT
Sure, the liars are hardly going to hold up a big sign saying: "WE ARE THE LIARS", instead they hold up the same signs of 'Truth' in order to deceive. But 'you shall know them by the fruits of their labor'. so its even feasible that many true people do not hold up the visible signs of Christianity, because so many liars do just that. matt 6:2 "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others." Discretion is the better part of valor. I can just as easily express true Christian values within the narrative of Nordic cosmology, as can deceivers use the Christian narrative to promote materialism.This was precisely what went down during apartheid. I'm glad that I'm not alone in the way of such thinking. Surely, many might just wearing masks, hiding their faces behind a big lie. I feel that such people have been lying since their birth day. I think genes play major role here. We can see that animals are just animals in moral questions, but human beings are not so animal, or at least, they're not animal till something bad's gonna happen. We had handled our instincts like long ago horses became handle by a man. So, there's no need to question on and on all the time that "how bad are we", and "how much blame on us", etc. We humans are decent enough to live this life. There are many cougars who just want to release their anger and fill their hungry. That's why, I don't believe that there are no responsible for all what's happening in the world. There's at least one organisation that's been doing something bad to us all. I believe that there's something conspiracy behind all this. The human is the one who is able and who can do all these. I'd say we'd better find that one, or those ones and stop them. I think hell is waiting for them.
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Post by jonbain on Nov 12, 2019 21:32:19 GMT
Sure, the liars are hardly going to hold up a big sign saying: "WE ARE THE LIARS", instead they hold up the same signs of 'Truth' in order to deceive. But 'you shall know them by the fruits of their labor'. so its even feasible that many true people do not hold up the visible signs of Christianity, because so many liars do just that. matt 6:2 "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others." Discretion is the better part of valor. I can just as easily express true Christian values within the narrative of Nordic cosmology, as can deceivers use the Christian narrative to promote materialism.This was precisely what went down during apartheid. I'm glad that I'm not alone in the way of such thinking. Surely, many might just wearing masks, hiding their faces behind a big lie. I feel that such people have been lying since their birth day. I think genes play major role here. We can see that animals are just animals in moral questions, but human beings are not so animal, or at least, they're not animal till something bad's gonna happen. We had handled our instincts like long ago horses became handle by a man. So, there's no need to question on and on all the time that "how bad are we", and "how much blame on us", etc. We humans are decent enough to live this life. There are many cougars who just want to release their anger and fill their hungry. That's why, I don't believe that there are no responsible for all what's happening in the world. There's at least one organisation that's been doing something bad to us all. I believe that there's something conspiracy behind all this. The human is the one who is able and who can do all these. I'd say we'd better find that one, or those ones and stop them. I think hell is waiting for them. I have known plenty of animals who have more compassionate souls than so many people. If there were no predators, then herbivores would just devour all the plants, and everything would turn into a desert. Which do you think is the bad organisation?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 12, 2019 22:27:44 GMT
I'm glad that I'm not alone in the way of such thinking. Surely, many might just wearing masks, hiding their faces behind a big lie. I feel that such people have been lying since their birth day. I think genes play major role here. We can see that animals are just animals in moral questions, but human beings are not so animal, or at least, they're not animal till something bad's gonna happen. We had handled our instincts like long ago horses became handle by a man. So, there's no need to question on and on all the time that "how bad are we", and "how much blame on us", etc. We humans are decent enough to live this life. There are many cougars who just want to release their anger and fill their hungry. That's why, I don't believe that there are no responsible for all what's happening in the world. There's at least one organisation that's been doing something bad to us all. I believe that there's something conspiracy behind all this. The human is the one who is able and who can do all these. I'd say we'd better find that one, or those ones and stop them. I think hell is waiting for them. I have known plenty of animals who have more compassionate souls than so many people. If there were no predators, then herbivores would just devour all the plants, and everything would turn into a desert. Which do you think is the bad organisation? I guess you're right. And wolves as wood's inspectors live. Yes. You're definitely right. I've almost have forgotten about this fact. Fat cats, dumb dogs - aren't the best examples of our world. These thoughts might lead us to conclusion that even disasters, like the one 65 b.c. gigantic meteorite that landed right down to... Mexico (?) and erased out dinosaurs from the earth's surface, could balance the Universe. You know, anyway we must do something reasonable against actions of bad persons, to end their evil intentions, etc. If we wouldn't it would mean we'd chosen stoic view that everything governed by Logos, Will or kinda. It wouldn't help us. Calculation is what we still need. And the question how to divide an evil person from a good one is still actual.
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Post by jonbain on Nov 13, 2019 17:18:37 GMT
I have known plenty of animals who have more compassionate souls than so many people. If there were no predators, then herbivores would just devour all the plants, and everything would turn into a desert. Which do you think is the bad organisation? I guess you're right. And wolves as wood's inspectors live. Yes. You're definitely right. I've almost have forgotten about this fact. Fat cats, dumb dogs - aren't the best examples of our world. These thoughts might lead us to conclusion that even disasters, like the one 65 b.c. gigantic meteorite that landed right down to... Mexico (?) and erased out dinosaurs from the earth's surface, could balance the Universe. You know, anyway we must do something reasonable against actions of bad persons, to end their evil intentions, etc. If we wouldn't it would mean we'd chosen stoic view that everything governed by Logos, Will or kinda. It wouldn't help us. Calculation is what we still need. And the question how to divide an evil person from a good one is still actual. Yes. I agree with the meteor that hit mexico and wiped out the dinosaurs was likely essential. 66 'million' years ago. But what about the smaller meteor called the 'Younger Dryas' impact, that hit greenland only 12000 years ago? Its seems that the pyramid builders were prior to that, and human civilization was reduced to -men by it. Such events are periodic, and inevitable. We have the capacity to defend against them this time round. But the will to actually do it is just completely lacking. People are only concerned with personal profit for their own egotistical purposes. Did I show you this video yet? This is the only conceivable plan to migrate to the stars, but it can also be a weapon against meteors. It can send numerous probes in all directions to detect anything heading this way, too.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 13, 2019 17:38:05 GMT
I guess you're right. And wolves as wood's inspectors live. Yes. You're definitely right. I've almost have forgotten about this fact. Fat cats, dumb dogs - aren't the best examples of our world. These thoughts might lead us to conclusion that even disasters, like the one 65 b.c. gigantic meteorite that landed right down to... Mexico (?) and erased out dinosaurs from the earth's surface, could balance the Universe. You know, anyway we must do something reasonable against actions of bad persons, to end their evil intentions, etc. If we wouldn't it would mean we'd chosen stoic view that everything governed by Logos, Will or kinda. It wouldn't help us. Calculation is what we still need. And the question how to divide an evil person from a good one is still actual. Yes. I agree with the meteor that hit mexico and wiped out the dinosaurs was likely essential. 66 'million' years ago. But what about the smaller meteor called the 'Younger Dryas' impact, that hit greenland only 12000 years ago? Its seems that the pyramid builders were prior to that, and human civilization was reduced to -men by it. Such events are periodic, and inevitable. We have the capacity to defend against them this time round. But the will to actually do it is just completely lacking.People are only concerned with personal profit for their own egotistical purposes.
Did I show you this video yet? This is the only conceivable plan to migrate to the stars, but it can also be a weapon against meteors. It can send numerous probes in all directions to detect anything heading this way, too. Oh, thanx for the vid. No, I haven't seen it yet. I do agree with your words. Sometimes I tried to punish myself for laziness and careless. It's not easy to push myself up for doing something good. Nevertheless I do try to force myself into believing that even egoistic behaviour could be not so egoistic as we think. I'll try to bring some thoughts of this theme. (Not the best ones, but.. I don't know.. I hope they might have something useful.) For example, a man lives about 70 years. Instead of so long living (I think it's not a short time by the way) the one lurks oneself into some dangerous works to get something fruitful. For example, Armstrong made his journey to the Moon; he certainly had risked. Also, one can chose something unlively and unpleasure for myself, but pleasure and good for another one. Surely, each time someone plays hero we might say and it would be consistent logically that that was nothing, but playing hero for everyone else. I do not agree with the ones who object the hero's actions only for his mentions, because any mentions (or intentions?) in God's (or an equal powerful person) hands are. What was I trying to show this, I wanted to show that even being egoistic at core of the one's mind we still have some chances to decrease this abilities, or hide them at least partially.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 13, 2019 17:41:38 GMT
I guess you're right. And wolves as wood's inspectors live. Yes. You're definitely right. I've almost have forgotten about this fact. Fat cats, dumb dogs - aren't the best examples of our world. These thoughts might lead us to conclusion that even disasters, like the one 65 b.c. gigantic meteorite that landed right down to... Mexico (?) and erased out dinosaurs from the earth's surface, could balance the Universe. You know, anyway we must do something reasonable against actions of bad persons, to end their evil intentions, etc. If we wouldn't it would mean we'd chosen stoic view that everything governed by Logos, Will or kinda. It wouldn't help us. Calculation is what we still need. And the question how to divide an evil person from a good one is still actual. Yes. I agree with the meteor that hit mexico and wiped out the dinosaurs was likely essential. 66 'million' years ago. But what about the smaller meteor called the 'Younger Dryas' impact, that hit greenland only 12000 years ago? Its seems that the pyramid builders were prior to that, and human civilization was reduced to -men by it. Such events are periodic, and inevitable. We have the capacity to defend against them this time round. But the will to actually do it is just completely lacking. People are only concerned with personal profit for their own egotistical purposes. Did I show you this video yet? This is the only conceivable plan to migrate to the stars, but it can also be a weapon against meteors. It can send numerous probes in all directions to detect anything heading this way, too. About the vid. Actually, I didn't get all that was said much, 'cause I was pretty bad in Physics. I'm the one who concentrated on methods, not on results. I need to make some calculations to nod or to refute it.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Nov 13, 2019 19:31:27 GMT
Yes. I agree with the meteor that hit mexico and wiped out the dinosaurs was likely essential. 66 'million' years ago. But what about the smaller meteor called the 'Younger Dryas' impact, that hit greenland only 12000 years ago? Its seems that the pyramid builders were prior to that, and human civilization was reduced to -men by it. Such events are periodic, and inevitable. We have the capacity to defend against them this time round. But the will to actually do it is just completely lacking. People are only concerned with personal profit for their own egotistical purposes. Did I show you this video yet? This is the only conceivable plan to migrate to the stars, but it can also be a weapon against meteors. It can send numerous probes in all directions to detect anything heading this way, too. About the vid. Actually, I didn't get all that was said much, 'cause I was pretty bad in Physics. I'm the one who concentrated on methods, not on results. I need to make some calculations to nod or to refute it. Today's Science Is Inadequate Even for FuturismWe can detour through the fourth spatial dimension and go parallel to a 3D distance of one light year in three minutes, then return to 3D at the targeted point. Electronic messages can be sent this way and take ground-level photographs and holograms of planets impossible to ever reach by the speed of light. If nerd-worshiping people ever wake up, they will realize that today's science will look as primitive as Aristotle's looks to us today. However, since Aristotle's followers were as sure of themselves as the conceited conformist dogmatists we're stuck with today, no new physics was allowed for 2,000 years.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 14, 2019 20:01:41 GMT
About the vid. Actually, I didn't get all that was said much, 'cause I was pretty bad in Physics. I'm the one who concentrated on methods, not on results. I need to make some calculations to nod or to refute it. Today's Science Is Inadequate Even for FuturismWe can detour through the fourth spatial dimension and go parallel to a 3D distance of one light year in three minutes, then return to 3D at the targeted point. Electronic messages can be sent this way and take ground-level photographs and holograms of planets impossible to ever reach by the speed of light. If nerd-worshiping people ever wake up, they will realize that today's science will look as primitive as Aristotle's looks to us today. However, since Aristotle's followers were as sure of themselves as the conceited conformist dogmatists we're stuck with today, no new physics was allowed for 2,000 years. Well, what may I say? I don't get along with even XVII times Physics. Leibniz's mentions about cosmos, as I'd heard, appeared to be closer to nowadays. For me all we have to do is to calculate. No calculations guarantees nothing. Ideas that might be arose on intuition should be based on them. Is there anything to think about without something is completed? I don't think so.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Nov 15, 2019 20:16:00 GMT
Today's Science Is Inadequate Even for FuturismWe can detour through the fourth spatial dimension and go parallel to a 3D distance of one light year in three minutes, then return to 3D at the targeted point. Electronic messages can be sent this way and take ground-level photographs and holograms of planets impossible to ever reach by the speed of light. If nerd-worshiping people ever wake up, they will realize that today's science will look as primitive as Aristotle's looks to us today. However, since Aristotle's followers were as sure of themselves as the conceited conformist dogmatists we're stuck with today, no new physics was allowed for 2,000 years. Well, what may I say? I don't get along with even XVII times Physics. Leibniz's mentions about cosmos, as I'd heard, appeared to be closer to nowadays. For me all we have to do is to calculate. No calculations guarantees nothing. Ideas that might be arose on intuition should be based on them. Is there anything to think about without something is completed? I don't think so. The Moon and Sixpence"Science fiction" is a contradiction in terms; it should be classified with stories about vampires and all the other escapist sensationalism. The setting of futuristic fairy tales in a decadently desired era of space travel is itself an insult to the real scientists who have improved life on Earth and could do so much more if allowed to by the fantasy-mongers who push this childish Trekkie circus.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 16, 2019 19:59:04 GMT
Well, what may I say? I don't get along with even XVII times Physics. Leibniz's mentions about cosmos, as I'd heard, appeared to be closer to nowadays. For me all we have to do is to calculate. No calculations guarantees nothing. Ideas that might be arose on intuition should be based on them. Is there anything to think about without something is completed? I don't think so. The Moon and Sixpence"Science fiction" is a contradiction in terms; it should be classified with stories about vampires and all the other escapist sensationalism. The setting of futuristic fairy tales in a decadently desired era of space travel is itself an insult to the real scientists who have improved life on Earth and could do so much more if allowed to by the fantasy-mongers who push this childish Trekkie circus. However, I like writers like Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith. I see no evil in their fictions. They did best. Their reality isn't the ones from today's futurists. I love what was tomorrow, I don't like todays. All the best humanity had is in their past.
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