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Post by chris1235 on Oct 31, 2019 11:33:21 GMT
(As a UK citizen) I suggest a compromise solution to Brexit: be in AND out. Ie, stay in (promise reform of EU free movement of people to the UK, then hold a second referendum) but be the outsider.
The 2004 neo-liberal experiment of allowing virtually unrestricted access to the UK of people from poor east European countries (pushed by UK Labour premier Tony Blair) upset many locals. Boosted Euroscepticism led to the referendum, which was, in effect, the first public consultation on mass immigration. Result: split nation: loquatious liberals versus a taciturn precariat.
Offered a binary choice, I voted to remain - but was actually undecided. As a left-liberal who welcomes immigration, I nevertheless sympathised with the overlooked precariat - who were wrongly dismissed by the metrocentric liberal establishment as ignorant provincial racists.
But it's madness to abandon a good trading deal with our near neighbours in exchange for environment-destroying air and sea miles, and a sweetheart deal with corporate USA involving chlorinated chicken and a garage sale of the UK's National Health System.
So, let's stay in and, firstly, use the same EU rules as Germany and France have to restrict the "free movement" of people. (Mobility of cheap labour is no freedom.) Then vote for reforming the sh*t out of the corrupt, bloated, neo-lib EU gravy train. Then we can resume our previous blissful sense of indifference.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Oct 31, 2019 22:38:54 GMT
(As a UK citizen) I suggest a compromise solution to Brexit: be in AND out. Ie, stay in (promise reform of EU free movement of people to the UK, then hold a second referendum) but be the outsider. The 2004 neo-liberal experiment of allowing virtually unrestricted access to the UK of people from poor east European countries (pushed by UK Labour premier Tony Blair) upset many locals. Boosted Euroscepticism led to the referendum, which was, in effect, the first public consultation on mass immigration. Result: split nation: loquatious liberals versus a taciturn precariat. Offered a binary choice, I voted to remain - but was actually undecided. As a left-liberal who welcomes immigration, I nevertheless sympathised with the overlooked precariat - who were wrongly dismissed by the metrocentric liberal establishment as ignorant provincial racists. But it's madness to abandon a good trading deal with our near neighbours in exchange for environment-destroying air and sea miles, and a sweetheart deal with corporate USA involving chlorinated chicken and a garage sale of the UK's National Health System. So, let's stay in and, firstly, use the same EU rules as Germany and France have to restrict the "free movement" of people. (Mobility of cheap labour is no freedom.) Then vote for reforming the sh*t out of the corrupt, bloated, neo-lib EU gravy train. Then we can resume our previous blissful sense of indifference. Something that was not set up to reform, or else it wouldn't have become so obnoxious, cannot ever be reformed. Brussels must pay the price for its tyranny. Don't let the Eurine Union off the hook for its treasonous globalism. Never trust the types who want to set up organizations to their clique's personal tastes and impose it on a passive public. The perpetrators have infiltrated your foot-dragging Parliament. |
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Post by jonbain on Oct 31, 2019 23:05:00 GMT
FIRE on Babylon
oh yes
the day will come
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Post by karl on Oct 31, 2019 23:28:00 GMT
(As a UK citizen) I suggest a compromise solution to Brexit: be in AND out. Ie, stay in (promise reform of EU free movement of people to the UK, then hold a second referendum) but be the outsider. The 2004 neo-liberal experiment of allowing virtually unrestricted access to the UK of people from poor east European countries (pushed by UK Labour premier Tony Blair) upset many locals. Boosted Euroscepticism led to the referendum, which was, in effect, the first public consultation on mass immigration. Result: split nation: loquatious liberals versus a taciturn precariat. Offered a binary choice, I voted to remain - but was actually undecided. As a left-liberal who welcomes immigration, I nevertheless sympathised with the overlooked precariat - who were wrongly dismissed by the metrocentric liberal establishment as ignorant provincial racists. But it's madness to abandon a good trading deal with our near neighbours in exchange for environment-destroying air and sea miles, and a sweetheart deal with corporate USA involving chlorinated chicken and a garage sale of the UK's National Health System. So, let's stay in and, firstly, use the same EU rules as Germany and France have to restrict the "free movement" of people. (Mobility of cheap labour is no freedom.) Then vote for reforming the sh*t out of the corrupt, bloated, neo-lib EU gravy train. Then we can resume our previous blissful sense of indifference.
I think the ship has sailed for Britain remaining in the EU. Being part of a union many times its own size, makes Britain, as any other member, dependent on soft diplomacy for influence. I think it's easy to underestimate the mutual distrust between UK and the rest of the EU that has steadily been growing during the past three years. If Britain votes to remain, it might find itself more isolated in the EU, with reduced ability to form alliances. This would, in turn, only increase the animosity towards the EU among people in the UK. At least, that's my impression as someone who observes this from the outside, not being a British citizen myself.
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